Confirmed with Link: [VAN/NYR] JT Miller, Erik Brannstrom, & Jackson Dorrington for Filip Chytil, Victor Mancini, and 1st 2025 (Top-13 Protected, Unprotected after)

[wolfgaze]

How is Chytil pronounced Heatle? What is that C even doing?

Wish I could help but I'm still trying to figure out the invisible 'H' in:

 

[FuzzyTitus]

Are they permitted to put accents on letters? Cause I imagine Satan is actually Šatan if it's anything like croatian. The Š is pronounced Sh.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

This place is going to be unbearable now that Team Miller here lost their boi.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I find the pro-Pettersson crowd has really glazed over the public criticism dished out by Allvin in December. It seems to be almost totally disregarded. But it’s probably why Miller was so hard on Pettersson this season.

I dont trust his take on Petterssons health and how his knee affected his summer training.

I don’t get how you can be confident in that thought as if there wasn’t almost a deal with EP going to Carolina for Necas and stuff a week ago or whatever.

We dont know how far those discussions went.

From what Ive heard Miller was willing to waive for NYR & Carolina.



And we never actually looked like s contender. We just shot like the 85 Oilers for ~30 games.

So those who are sad that EP/Miller and or Alvin & JR are blowing up a contender. That is not the case.

 

[iceburg]

SO Miller 2 goals and minus 1 ...

 

[iceburg]

OK after sleeping on it, i still dont understand this at all...

How is Chytil pronounced Heatle? What is that C even doing?

 

[Lenny Levino]

I really don't want Vancouver to just be like Carolina where we go full country, at least the fins are really good. Petey is ranked top 2 probably of swedes rn and he's garbage. Allvin must be stopped

Canucks don't have an abnormal amount of Swedes compared to other teams in the league though. There are three or four of them in the line-up right now (1-Petey, 3-Petey, Hoglander -- and Karlsson if he stays). The Red Wings have six in their regular NHL line-up (with more of them in the AHL) for comparison.

It makes sense statistically since Sweden has the third-highest number of NHL players after Canada and the US. I think every single team in the league has at least one player from Sweden.

 

[ziploc]

Took me a long time to get over the Bure trade. He was my favourite player, and his departure felt like a huge betrayal. I know it was complicated.

Took me until probably this year to get over Kesler's douchebaggery.

Now Miller out, from a situation that appears from the outside to have been entirely preventable. I'm not going to hate on him, but I'm certainly not going to want to see him succeed in New York either.

 

[alternate]

Whose to blame between EP and JTM doesn't really matter to me. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to know the juicy details about what actually went down (was it more a Jeff Brown-Kirk McLean situation, or more Mark Messier-Pavel Bure) but who was #11 vs #10 isn't overly important.

What matters is EP40 is able to get back to Alien mode; MP## is able to give us one of the better bluelines in the league; and whether GMPA can effectively use the newly minted cap space.

Enough has already been said about the Million Dollar Babies, don't see a need for essays on the degree of blame each get. Now that the deal has been made, who said what to whom matters little.

As an aside for those saying JTM will be a toxic cloud in NYR the first time they have a slump, nah. He'll be his best Miller for at least a couple of years, and give the Rangers a hell of a player. If the toxic comes back it would be down the road after he has earned a spot in the leadership group.

 

[Jack Tripper]

I suppose it could be worse - you could be a Dallas Mavericks fan right now.

 

[Oliewud]

Great leader who literally pisses off all his teammates and controller disconnects once a game

 

[geebster]

This place is going to be unbearable now that Team Miller here lost their boi.

Since they are a fan of a player on the Rangers them posting here is now considered Trolling per rule #2. If you're a fan of another team and their players you shouldn't post acrimonious stuff on a diff teams forum.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Trying to ascribe the exact amount each is culpable is a fools errand. Because it’s more complicated than just their relationship and Miller being overly hard on him. Because you need to consider that Pettersson seems to have been not preparing well enough, and not being a good enough pro, or however you want to describe it, and Miller holding him accountable isn’t really unreasonable. And Allvin alluded to this in his press conference. He seemed to have praised Miller holding his teammates accountable.

And obviously things just festered from there, and I don’t doubt that Miller probably wouldn’t leave Pettersson alone despite being told to.

This is a false dichotomy. We dont know that they “chose” Miller. It’s just as conceivable that they wanted to re-sign both and were playing hardball with Miller, and when magically scored 50 goals they knew they had to trade him because they didn’t want to pay him based on a totally unsustainable and unprecedented pace.

I don’t know what you are even getting at. Pettersson seems to agree with Allvin on the criticism.

I think they generally preferred Miller’s attitude, preparation and drive to win. And you can’t blame them. But they also didn’t put up with his shit as well which seems to have led to the LOA. So I don’t really seem them being bias. I know you are a big Pettersson fan so perhaps your perspective is why you see a bias.
I think there are some big Pettersson fans that view things one way, and I think most of the balance thinks they are both blameworthy. Again, trying to ascribe the exact portions of blame is a fools errand and quite literally impossible.

And yet people keep apportioning said blame 50/50? Which is supported with... nothing. His on ice play has been poor. He's an introvert. Management states that the rift is between him and Miller, but what has he actually instigated behind the scenes? Nothing (pre rumour).

Miller was the one sent home for blowing up. Miller is known to have mistreated Pettersson (current rumour and Brad Richardson). Miller is the aggressor.

Cam Robinson specifically cites Demko and Hughes as being tired with Miller's antics. Is there any such player specific report for Pettersson?

We know that management loved Miller's preparation, drive and production. But they knew his personality too. They still prioritized his offseason re-signing over Horvat (fact). They may have wanted both, but thought more of Miller. They then let his personality loose on Pettersson. This is with the Horvat vs Miller rumour as the backdrop. Few have questioned management's judgement here. And yet, they're the proper litmus test to Pettersson's preparation? Don't make me laugh.

Nobody dared talk about Pettersson's preparation when he put up 102 points as a twig. Unprepared. This is just about management controlling for the minor injury impacts he may be suffering. It's his play they want back. It's not about converting Pettersson from a bad teammate to a good one.

 

[EpochLink]

Just realized that JT Miller has been struck by the Basant Motors curse lmao

 

[racerjoe]

People trying to push their narrative is a bit funny, and maybe some will think that is what this is… but there is more evidence that Miller despite being liked, was still wanted off this team by more players than just Petey…. It was actually even stated by I think Friedman, that another star player had said they were done with Miller.

There is no doubt both Petey and miIller have blame, But people trying to push a narrative other than .miller had worn out his welcome or just doing that… pushing a narrative.

 

[racerjoe]

Conversely, if the younger, more talented Pettersson (and other players) were actually getting bullied by JT Miller and his struggles were the result of that, it would make zero sense to be keeping the problem bully and trading your superstar 1C at a discount. But we know that they did look very hard at moving Pettersson and have nearly traded him to Carolina twice.

The logical inference here is that the team found the two players to be roughly equally culpable.

Dude… management has been trying to trade miller for what 3 years… but haven’t wanted to trade him for Pennie’s on the dollar. He was traded from NY after getting in a fight with Lunquist, Yzerman supposedly said he would never take him back again after having him in Tampa, he fought with Bo, .schenn and Petey…

Again this isn’t to say Petey doesn’t share some blame, but it’s clear to anyone who actually wants to see Miller was a problem. He is also the one who had to go on a LOA, with rumours of fighting a coach. Like what else do you want to admit he was the primary problem?

I am also positive he will magically look a lot better in NY. And that should drive us all nuts he couldn’t do that this year for us.

And again this isn’t to excuse Petey. He deserves blame in all of this and has been bad this season.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Yeah, we have had multiple call outs by Allvin and now Rutherford too, and this is also the third time that Pettersson has basically been a ghost of himself. First time wrist injury, fine. Second time Benning f***ing the team up for years, fine. Third time with the team on a heater and watching his peers with injuries (Draisaitl) outperform him in the playoffs... patience starts to wear thin, and I'm shocked more people are still lining up to defend him.

Defend him as a player in the room, not defend his play on the ice. Nobody thinks he's played well.

I don't know if it was management or coaching that had Miller try to get Pettersson going. Question is why the hell would you have Miller do it when their beef was known?

Because they valued performance above all else, until now.

One of the team’s beat reporters, Thomas Drance, said it explicitly:

Maybe he’s just making that up or is wildly uninformed but I doubt it.

Miller and Pettersson had a rift. Miller was traded due to said rift. Obviously, partial blame for that trade will land on Pettersson because he was a part of the rift that had existed. He didn't help stop it, but I don't think he caused it either.

I listen to Drance. Sharp guy. When he has talked about this on his pod, his qualifier is that he does not know the particulars about the rift. Only, that it exists.

 

[Wisp]

I mentioned this in the Rumour thread, but i just realized that these two events...

1. "When the Canucks were in Florida, earlier in the season, a small group of players got together and tried to get Pettersson and Miller to work out their issues with each other"
2. "J.T. Miller reportedly called Elias Pettersson a "Baby" following altercation at practice"

Literally happened a week after each other. They were in Florida around October 14 to 17. The practice scuffle was October 23rd.

I thought the practice scuffle was a non-issue at the time, happens in pro-sports. But with the new information, this really rubs me the wrong way. Show's how little respect he had for the pleas of his teammates to work it out.

 

[Scumbag Frank]

Wish I could help but I'm still trying to figure out the invisible 'H' in:

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