Confirmed with Link: [VAN/NYR] JT Miller, Erik Brannstrom, & Jackson Dorrington for Filip Chytil, Victor Mancini, and 1st 2025 (Top-13 Protected, Unprotected after)

[Hodgy]

A year to recover from? I don't think that's the case unless there's been a more recent study. For high level athletes, most return to play within 2-3 months and many sooner than they probably should.

I heard someone mention Petey trained around his knee and if this info is taken directly, then they did exactly the wrong thing with his rehab. Relative rest to calm things down, glute/hip dominant loading strategies to offload the patellar tendon while maintaining lower extremity strength and effective motor patterning, and most importantly, progressive loading the patella to eventually plyometric and high impact loading. If he wasn't down heavy box squats and broad jumps in the summer, his trainers f***ed up. Probably given weekly PRP thinking that would heal things up faster smh - data is so finicky there.

This injury is so common in basketball players and volleyball players - they all have to load their quads and almost all return to sport and full capacity.

To be fair, there doesn’t seem to any evidence that Pettersson trained improperly in the off season in terms of dealing with patellar tendinitis. I think he just said “trained around it”, and I don’t think we can read a ton into that.

 

[Soups On]

To be fair, there doesn’t seem to any evidence that Pettersson trained improperly in the off season in terms of dealing with patellar tendinitis. I think he just said “trained around it”, and I don’t think we can read a ton into that.

I don't disagree with that - my comment was based around the assumption if training around it meant offloading the patella for a substantial amount of time. Again, I don't know the exact quote and sometimes the information passed from the rehab staff, to player, and then to the media will lose very important context. Regardless - Petey's skating power is distinctly different and the way he's loading through his one timer, at least from a select few videos I've seen, looks very guarded.

 

[Hodgy]

I don't disagree with that - my comment was based around the assumption if training around it meant offloading the patella for a substantial amount of time. Again, I don't know the exact quote and sometimes the information passed from the rehab staff, to player, and then to the media will lose very important context. Regardless - Petey's skating power is distinctly different and the way he's loading through his one timer, at least from a select few videos I've seen, looks very guarded.

Ya, I mean who knows, maybe he did screw up the training. But that would be kind of insane given that everyone knew he had patellar tendinitis going into the off season, and given the size of his contract. I’m assuming he has professional trainers / therapists, and patellar tendinitis is a pretty common injury with pretty accepted therapy as I understand it.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

If he had it in January they really needed to take him off the ice to fix it up - last thing you want is the regenerative tendon to become degenerative, that's when surgery is often required.

I agree.

Might have entered the season with it. His skating was shit all year.

Need the Canucks to hire me right now. I'll box squat with Petey and keep y'all up to date on his PRs

Im all for this!

 

[Orr4Norris]

This is why I struggle with the inferences being drawn.

If the loner Pettersson has been lazy and slacking, and the popular Miller was justifiably upset with him, then trading Miller for peanuts instead of Pettersson for a real return would be insanity. You’re losing value, trading the better performer when you’re trying to win, and destroying morale in the room by trading everyone’s buddy instead of the guy everyone is frustrated with.

Maybe management is that dumb but it just seems too unlikely. I agree they both seem to be to blame but there has to be more than this.

I think they ultimately traded Miller because of his age. They know trading either will mean a step backwards and it doesn’t make sense to take a step back with a 32 year old star.

It’s also clear that they tried to trade Petey and even had a deal on the table with Carolina. It was Carolina that chose a different path.

It certainly seems both players are equally responsible. That’s how management sees it. And they chose this path for reasons other than ‘we endorse Petey in this’. And they may very well still trade him at the draft.

 

[Soups On]

Ya, I mean who knows, maybe he did screw up the training. But that would be kind of insane given that everyone knew he had patellar tendinitis going into the off season, and given the size of his contract. I’m assuming he has professional trainers / therapists, and patellar tendinitis is a pretty common injury with pretty accepted therapy as I understand it.

It's probably more psychosocial than biological implications at this stage - as is with most chronic conditions. Load apprehension after nasty acute flare ups, even near end stage rehab, is a significant limiting factor.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Ya, I mean who knows, maybe he did screw up the training. But that would be kind of insane given that everyone knew he had patellar tendinitis going into the off season, and given the size of his contract. I’m assuming he has professional trainers / therapists, and patellar tendinitis is a pretty common injury with pretty accepted therapy as I understand it.

You would be suprised how far behind pro hockey physical training can be.

I know its at a horrific level here in Finland but I've always assumed Sweden is miles ahead us.

Maybe that's not the case after all. Or EP just found him self in the hands of a quack.

Or. It was the doings of our very own sports medicine staff from the Canucks organisation.

 

[strattonius]

I'm not a Petey fan I think he's been a headache as well; but between the two it's clearly that JT Miller is the bigger problem.

Contract and age aside, Miller's been an enigmatic character his entire career and the leave of absence is a good indication that the guy was acting like a clown this year. Will be interesting to get more details about this whole saga down the road, but for now I'm relieved it's over.

Management decided they had to make a move now, instead of in the off season. It reminds me of when they fired Boudreau and everyone wanted to wait till the off season. The hindsight of that situation was Tocchet had more time to build relationships and expectations for the next season. And it worked. So part of me thinks this was a similar philosophy to follow where management wanted to fix things and move on right away, instead of letting the room get worse for a better trade return in the off-season.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

We don’t really know that the relationship is strained. As far as I can tell, the idea that the relationship is strained relies on the premise that Pettersson thinks or thought his injury was more significant than management thought. But there is no clear evidence that Pettersson ever thought his injury was significant. At best you have his comment about training around it in the summer, but that came in the same interview where he said it was a nagging injury, that he felt no pain, and that his knee was fine. And you can train around a minor injury so that it doesn’t become more serious and goes away. Management clearly doesn’t think it was significant (and they have far more information on it than we do) so it’s weird to me to give a strained interpretation to Pettersson’s comments in his own injury that results in a total inconsistency with Allvin and coaching’s comments. Instead, if you interpret Pettersson as saying his knee injury is minor (which really isn’t unreasonable given what he said) then Pettersson and management and coaching’s comments are all in line.

But anyway, there really isn’t any overt or clear evidence that there is any issue with Pettersson’s relationship with management.

There may, in fact, be an issue. But I just don’t think we have enough evidence to conclude there is. And in fact, I see a real lack of evidence (even rumours).

Would be extremely weird if it wasn't.
- Forced to negotiate when he had made clear he didnt want to do so mid-season, with threats to trade him
- Thrown under the bus by his coach at the end of the year presser
- Thrown under the bus by the GM multiple times in interviews

But I guess anything is possible.

 

[EpochLink]

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Basant Motors ya'll

 

[racerjoe]

If you had asked management before Game 1 of the season this year which player's behaviour/commitment/fitness/performance they were more concerned about, who do you think they would have answered with?

Thats not really the question that is important... its who would they rather trade all things being equal. That has been Miller since they arrived, they just haven't received a package that was valuable enough.

There is no doubt Pettersson has been who the team would rather move forward with.

I think its more likely Pettersson was worried about moving forward with Miller and that was causing him to not sign then some of the things people are trying to push forward, and no I don't really think that happened and no there is no proof of that.

I think Petey has been bad this season and I think management has been angry with this. I also think this team has been terrible with injuries for some time now. There is plenty of evidence of this. Hell didn't Pearson even try to sue them for this?

A year to recover from? I don't think that's the case unless there's been a more recent study. For high level athletes, most return to play within 2-3 months and many sooner than they probably should.

I heard someone mention Petey trained around his knee and if this info is taken directly, then they did exactly the wrong thing with his rehab. Relative rest to calm things down, glute/hip dominant loading strategies to offload the patellar tendon while maintaining lower extremity strength and effective motor patterning, and most importantly, progressive loading the patella to eventually plyometric and high impact loading. If he wasn't down heavy box squats and broad jumps in the summer, his trainers f***ed up. Probably given weekly PRP thinking that would heal things up faster smh - data is so finicky there.

This injury is so common in basketball players and volleyball players - they all have to load their quads and almost all return to sport and full capacity.

I don't remember the full article and I am definitely not qualified to give my full opinion, however as I read more of your comments and conversation with @PuckMunchkin I would say isn't it most likely Vancouvers medical and training screwed up?

I do think there were other factors on why Petey has been bad. Some are 100% on him, and he absolutely deserves criticism, just this was being brought up.

 

[Zarpan]

Not a basketball fan, but this sounds comparable to the Oilers trading McJesus for JT Miller and a pick.

Yeah, wasn't a very fair trade to say the least. Doncic is a top-5 player who is nearly 26. Davis is a top-25 player who is nearly 32.

Doncic has had some conditioning issues, but even with those issues he is a top player. Davis has had some injury issues too.

Maybe would be somewhat like the Canucks trading Pettersson (with some retention) for Zibanejed and a pick way off in the future. Trading a skilled player with some issues for an older player who currently isn't even as good, and not saving any money either.

 

[Ernie]

Not a basketball fan, but this sounds comparable to the Oilers trading McJesus for JT Miller and a pick.

This but imagine that McDavid plays 40 minutes / night and is signed for $9m for this season and next. Stars at Doncic's age just don't get traded because you can't win without them.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Yeah, wasn't a very fair trade to say the least. Doncic is a top-5 player who is nearly 26. Davis is a top-25 player who is nearly 32.

Doncic has had some conditioning issues, but even with those issues he is a top player. Davis has had some injury issues too.

Maybe would be somewhat like the Canucks trading Pettersson (with some retention) for Zibanejed and a pick way off in the future. Trading a skilled player with some issues for an older player who currently isn't even as good, and not saving any money either.

Its like trading Hughes for Miller if Miller had a long injury history

 

[God]

that video of the mavs GM taking away luka's beer after they won the conference finals makes this trade so much funnier

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Yeah, wasn't a very fair trade to say the least. Doncic is a top-5 player who is nearly 26. Davis is a top-25 player who is nearly 32.

Doncic has had some conditioning issues, but even with those issues he is a top player. Davis has had some injury issues too.

Maybe would be somewhat like the Canucks trading Pettersson (with some retention) for Zibanejed and a pick way off in the future. Trading a skilled player with some issues for an older player who currently isn't even as good, and not saving any money either.

There's just way too much screwy things happening in pro-sports these days. I'm at the point where I believe it's all rigged.