Proposal: VAN/MTL and TOR/MTL

[Le Barron de HF]

To Canucks: Andrei Markov, 2017 1st round pick and Charles Hudon/Daniel Carr.

To Montreal: Alex Edler


To Montreal: Nazem Kadri

To Toronto: Nikita Scherbak, David Desharnais, 2017 2nd round pick and 2018 2nd round pick.


Thoughts? Markov & DD are both there for cap purposes a la O. Jokinen/Brooks Laich. Both are UFAs at the end of the year so the teams don't commit to their contracts beyond this season.

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[LeafGrief]

To Canucks: Andrei Markov, 2017 1st round pick and Charles Hudon/Daniel Carr.

To Montreal: Alex Edler


To Montreal: Nazem Kadri

To Toronto: Nikita Scherbak, David Desharnais, 2017 2nd round pick and 2018 2nd round pick.


Thoughts? Markov & DD are both there for cap purposes a la O. Jokinen/Brooks Laich. Both are UFAs at the end of the year so the teams don't commit to their contracts beyond this season.

From a Leafs POV, I wouldnt trade Kadri for Scherbak and the picks, much less taking on DD for the year. We are bursting at the seams with winger prospects and already have a glut of draft picks for the next few years. This just gives us more of what we already have at the cost of our most experienced NHL Center. Kadri is a good player and we arent going to give him up for a bunch of stuff that we already have.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

From a Leafs POV, I wouldnt trade Kadri for Scherbak and the picks, much less taking on DD for the year. We are bursting at the seams with winger prospects and already have a glut of draft picks for the next few years. This just gives us more of what we already have at the cost of our most experienced NHL Center. Kadri is a good player and we arent going to give him up for a bunch of stuff that we already have.

Fair enough, other than Matthews, are players like Nylander & Marner still expected to be used at center going forward or they'll remain on the wing? What I had in mind was that the Leafs would trade Kadri to make room in the top 6 at center.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Assuming this is a later season trade, the Habs would have no cap issues fitting in Edler, so no need to include Markov (I see that as basically a straight up trade now, Edler is not the player he was 3 years ago). Plus he has a 12 team NTC and VAN may be on it for all we know.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Assuming this is a later season trade, the Habs would have no cap issues fitting in Edler, so no need to include Markov (I see that as basically a straight up trade now, Edler is not the player he was 3 years ago). Plus he has a 12 team NTC and VAN may be on it for all we know.

How so? Unless I'm mistaken, we have about 2M in cap space right now and that's without an extra forward on the roster. Edler is better than Markov by the way, I'd be a lot more comfortable heading into the playoffs with Edler-Weber, Emelin/Beaulieu-Petry in the top four.

 

[LeafGrief]

Fair enough, other than Matthews, are players like Nylander & Marner still expected to be used at center going forward or they'll remain on the wing? What I had in mind was that the Leafs would trade Kadri to make room in the top 6 at center.

We're expecting Nylander to make it to C in the long term, while Marner will probably remain at W. Having Kadri as a shutdown 3c is possibly in the long term plans and would mean we have extremely enviable center depth. Therefore we aren't looking to dump Kadri. Bozak on the other hand, is probably on his way out.

 

[Rebuilt]

I pass from Vancouvers and Toronto's POV.

 

[Braeden]

Edler for Gallagher+Emelin+1st

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

How so? Unless I'm mistaken, we have about 2M in cap space right now and that's without an extra forward on the roster. Edler is better than Markov by the way, I'd be a lot more comfortable heading into the playoffs with Edler-Weber, Emelin/Beaulieu-Petry in the top four.

That 2 M grows in buying power every day.

By mid-season, you can bring in a 4 M annual salary.

By the 2/3's mark, you can bring in a 6 M annual salary.

By the trade deadline, you can bring in an 8 M annual salary.

Edler's offence has significantly declined recently and he's never been all that great defensively. I think you are thinking of what this player was and not what he is now. He has not been the same since 2013 or so. Trust me, I have him in a keeper league, I follow him closely.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Edler for Gallagher+Emelin+1st

lol... ?

 

[Le Barron de HF]

That 2 M grows in buying power every day.

By mid-season, you can bring in a 4 M annual salary.

By the 2/3's mark, you can bring in a 6 M annual salary.

By the trade deadline, you can bring in a 8 M annual salary.

Edler's offence has significantly declined recently and he's never been all that great defensively. I think you are thinking of what this player was and not what he is now. He has not been the same since 2013 or so. Trust me, I have him in a keeper league, I follow him closely.

Thanks for the cap info, I wasn't aware of that. I wouldn't bring in Edler for his offense but more of his two-way play, fwiw he had 31 points two seasons ago. Let's not underestimate the impact of Desjardins on him either. As we've seen with Petry, Weaver, Gonchar (to a certain extent), some players play better when a team suits them better.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Edler for Gallagher+Emelin+1st

For Gallagher, I'd want Tanev if he wasn't a RHD, I hope you're kidding with that offer cuz that's absolutely brutal from a MTL perspective. I'd be willing to trade Beaulieu in a Edler swap but the trade would change to Beaulieu + conditional pick.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

Leafs aren't trading Kadri as he has a pretty important role.

 

[Leafsforlife98]

Edler for Gallagher+Emelin+1st

I hope this is a joke lol

 

[Omac13]

To Canucks: Andrei Markov, 2017 1st round pick and Charles Hudon/Daniel Carr.

To Montreal: Alex Edler


To Montreal: Nazem Kadri

To Toronto: Nikita Scherbak, David Desharnais, 2017 2nd round pick and 2018 2nd round pick.


Thoughts? Markov & DD are both there for cap purposes a la O. Jokinen/Brooks Laich. Both are UFAs at the end of the year so the teams don't commit to their contracts beyond this season.

Brutal,

Naz is not going to MTL especially not for Sherback and a 2nd, we have plenty of young F Prospects and some better than Sherback, unless we are getting a young D man its a no go.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Brutal,

Naz is not going to MTL especially not for Sherback and a 2nd, we have plenty of young F Prospects and some better than Sherback, unless we are getting a young D man its a no go.

Your reading comprehension is pretty brutal too, it's TWO second round picks, not one.

 

[L4br3cqu3]

Edler for Gallagher+Emelin+1st

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Thanks for the cap info, I wasn't aware of that. I wouldn't bring in Edler for his offense but more of his two-way play, fwiw he had 31 points two seasons ago. Let's not underestimate the impact of Desjardins on him either. As we've seen with Petry, Weaver, Gonchar (to a certain extent), some players play better when a team suits them better.

I am not against adding Edler, I just wouldn't pay the price of a number 1 pick and a winger who appears to be NHL caliber (role to be determined). With Edler's contract (2 more years at 5 M per as he enters his 30's), I am not sure a ton of teams will be interested.

Botchford's take on his value, FWIW:

http://theprovince.com/sports/hocke...-and-why-stecher-has-to-play-against-montreal

Edler isn’t worth much. Maybe a pick and a prospect.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Gallagher
for
Kapanen + Bozak + 2nd(2017) + 2nd(2018)

 

[Coach Parker]

SO scraps for talent x2 for Montreal?

I don't expect many if any Canucks or Leafs fans going for these at all. You aren't addressing any needs of either team whatsoever and just throwing what you deem expendable from Montreal's perspective to directly address the needs of your team alone.

For starters, try a one for one value-wise for Kadri and Edler. Then you are on track and add a little more based on your bias for your own players.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Gallagher
for
Kapanen + Bozak + 2nd(2017) + 2nd(2018)

no thx. gally in a leafs jersey vs habs 5 times a year makes me want to vomit

 

[Gavy]

Your reading comprehension is pretty brutal too, it's TWO second round picks, not one.

Lmao he forgets to out in an extra second and you call his reading comprehension brutal?
Somebody is sour that no one likes his brutal trade proposals

 

[BoHorvat 53]

I am not against adding Edler, I just wouldn't pay the price of a number 1 pick and a winger who appears to be NHL caliber (role to be determined). With Edler's contract (2 more years at 5 M per as he enters his 30's), I am not sure a ton of teams will be interested.

Botchford's take on his value, FWIW:

http://theprovince.com/sports/hocke...-and-why-stecher-has-to-play-against-montreal

Canucks definitely aren't moving Edler for "maybe a pick and a prospect". Management has been high on Edler since day 1 and rightfully so. They've recognized him as our #1. Him and Tanev have been our 2 horses on defense that have always been solid. Tanev's hurt, and so he's been struggling a bit, but taking a quick look at the Canucks roster, we don't really have anyone that can fill in on the top pairing.

His contract is nice, he's still a good #2 defenseman, at the age of 30 he still has quite a few years of #2 defenseman hockey in him. 1st + Hudon or 1st + McCarron + Desharnais is what it would take to pry him out of Vancouver - Markov unneeded.

 

[Field of Dreams]

Not fair value for kadri. I do think there is a fit for Kadri on MTL.

If we are assuming DD is the one being used for cap balancing, I would do:

Leafs
MTL 1st 2017
WSH 2nd 2017
MTL 5th 2017
DD

Canadiens
Kadri
Leafs 4th 2017

 

[Field of Dreams]

rofl