Confirmed with Link: [VAN/DET] Canucks acquire D Filip Hronek, 4th in ‘23 for NYI 1st (condt’l), 2023 2nd - Pt. 2

[LordBacon]

Look at this. But no, the Canucks are doing it right and the fans are just being unreasonable.

dont forget the stupid media too.

 

[Jay26]

dont forget the stupid media too.

The Canucks have been bottom dwellers for a decade and have never done anything close to what Chicago has just done. It really is like they are allergic to the draft. What is so hard for the organization - and some fans apparently - to grasp about this?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Look at this. But no, the Canucks are doing it right and the fans are just being unreasonable.

Hilariously dumb...Look at the Rangers who rebuilt through the draft (not)...

and there's zero guarantee CHI will be either.

 

[VIPettersson]

The Canucks have been bottom dwellers for a decade and have never done anything close to what Chicago has just done. It really is like they are allergic to the draft. What is so hard for the organization - and some fans apparently - to grasp about this?

Direction comes from the top. I am almost certain Aquilini has always pushed competing now rather than patience with re-tooling/rebuilding. I'm just paraphrasing but I remember a quote where he said he wanted his dad to see the Canucks win the cup before his dad's passing. As bad as JB was it seems like every year no matter where we were in the standings we made the same type of moves. Even if we are trash next year I'm sure the strategy will be the same again.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

We can almost blame Canuck nation and media for this trade, we talk a nauseating amount about our RHD and defence in general, pretty much daily. What we can do to get rid of Myers and rebuilding the right side.

It’s half done now.

 

[JohnHodgson]

Hilariously dumb...Look at the Rangers who rebuilt through the draft (not)...

and there's zero guarantee CHI will be either.

Using Rangers as an example of "rebuilding properly works!!!" literally outs yourself as someone who doesn't understand hockey.

The Rangers best players were acquired outside of the draft:

Panarin (UFA)
Zibby (trade)
Fox (trade... literally got gifted a Norris level dman)
Trouba (trade... Trouba wanted to go NYR)
Trochek

They also got ridiculously lucky winning the lottery twice but haven't developed Kakko and Laffy into anything substantial.

 

[Aphid Attraction]

Using Rangers as an example of "rebuilding properly works!!!" literally outs yourself as someone who doesn't understand hockey.

The Rangers best players were acquired outside of the draft:

Panarin (UFA)
Zibby (trade)
Fox (trade... literally got gifted a Norris level dman)
Trouba (trade... Trouba wanted to go NYR)
Trochek

They also got ridiculously lucky winning the lottery twice but haven't developed Kakko and Laffy into anything substantial.

Woooosh

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Using Rangers as an example of "rebuilding properly works!!!" literally outs yourself as someone who doesn't understand hockey.

The Rangers best players were acquired outside of the draft:

Panarin (UFA)
Zibby (trade)
Fox (trade... literally got gifted a Norris level dman)
Trouba (trade... Trouba wanted to go NYR)
Trochek

They also got ridiculously lucky winning the lottery twice but haven't developed Kakko and Laffy into anything substantial.

I agree 100% with everything you said here...did you not see the (not) I posted beside the comment...

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Laugh all you want but Schmaltz is over a point a game his last 92 games as a sample size, him and Hronek probably makes us a young playoff team.

SMDH, how can you not understand that we need players that can stop other teams from scoring against us, like do you understand the basics of hockey at all, getting more scoring does nothing to solve winning when you can't stop the other teams from scoring. That is our biggest problem, like WOW, man, how do you not know that?

 

[Jay26]

Using Rangers as an example of "rebuilding properly works!!!" literally outs yourself as someone who doesn't understand hockey.

The Rangers best players were acquired outside of the draft:

Panarin (UFA)
Zibby (trade)
Fox (trade... literally got gifted a Norris level dman)
Trouba (trade... Trouba wanted to go NYR)
Trochek

They also got ridiculously lucky winning the lottery twice but haven't developed Kakko and Laffy into anything substantial.

Did you not click on the tweet? I was talking about the Blackhawks, not the Rangers.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Using Rangers as an example of "rebuilding properly works!!!" literally outs yourself as someone who doesn't understand hockey.

The Rangers best players were acquired outside of the draft:

Panarin (UFA)
Zibby (trade)
Fox (trade... literally got gifted a Norris level dman)
Trouba (trade... Trouba wanted to go NYR)
Trochek

They also got ridiculously lucky winning the lottery twice but haven't developed Kakko and Laffy into anything substantial.

Their best player is their goalie, remind me how they got him again?......

Hilariously dumb...Look at the Rangers who rebuilt through the draft (not)...

and there's zero guarantee CHI will be either.

CHI already is though, or at least trying too.

We can almost blame Canuck nation and media for this trade, we talk a nauseating amount about our RHD and defence in general, pretty much daily. What we can do to get rid of Myers and rebuilding the right side.

It’s half done now.

We talk about needing two way dmen, or defensive dmen, not offensive guys that don't help our biggest need.

 

[JohnHodgson]

Did you not click on the tweet? I was talking about the Blackhawks, not the Rangers.

I agree 100% with everything you said here...did you not see the (not) I posted beside the comment...

Yeah I was actually referring to the tweet not your comment specifically.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

SMDH, how can you not understand that we need players that can stop other teams from scoring against us, like do you understand the basics of hockey at all, getting more scoring does nothing to solve winning when you can't stop the other teams from scoring. That is our biggest problem, like WOW, man, how do you not know that?

Didn’t we just trade Stillman and add Hronek? The fact he can send a pass up ice will help with Hughes minutes and beating him like a dead horse! Schenn unfortunately couldn’t do that as well and guys like him are harder to find than another Rock like Schenn, some of them even go for league minimum.

The fact Hughes can get a breather is a win in itself as we now have 2 guys that are top 20 in coring for all Dmen in the league, he’s 5 points out of 12th and with our firepower I’m sure he can pick that up.

OFD or DFD he’s a player on the opposite side of Hughes and might resurrect OEL, that’s a win for next year and going forward.

 

[Jay26]

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Yeah I was actually referring to the tweet not your comment specifically.
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Wow....

Why are you being deliberately obtuse?

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Their best player is their goalie, remind me how they got him again?......

Fox? Igor is having a rough year

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Didn’t we just trade Stillman and add Hronek? The fact he can send a pass up ice will help with Hughes minutes and beating him like a dead horse! Schenn unfortunately couldn’t do that as well and guys like him are harder to find than another Rock like Schenn, some of them even go for league minimum.

The fact Hughes can get a breather is a win in itself as we now have 2 guys that are top 20 in coring for all Dmen in the league, he’s 5 points out of 12th and with our firepower I’m sure he can pick that up.

OFD or DFD he’s a player on the opposite side of Hughes and might resurrect OEL, that’s a win for next year and going forward.

Sooo we will continue to lose games, but we will score more, awesome that's surely how to win a cup.....

Fox? Igor is having a rough year

Most important and best player on that team, even having a bad year he .910 SV%

 

[JohnHodgson]

Wow....

Why are you being deliberately obtuse?

You think rebuilding guarantees success?

Now that's being obtuse.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Direction comes from the top. I am almost certain Aquilini has always pushed competing now rather than patience with re-tooling/rebuilding. I'm just paraphrasing but I remember a quote where he said he wanted his dad to see the Canucks win the cup before his dad's passing. As bad as JB was it seems like every year no matter where we were in the standings we made the same type of moves. Even if we are trash next year I'm sure the strategy will be the same again.

Just so everyone is on the same page...

2013/14: 25th spot out of 30 in the NHL
2014/15: 8th out of 30 in the NHL
2015/16: 28th spot out of 30 in the NHL
2016/17: 29th spot out of 30 in the NHL
2017/18: 26th spot out of 30 in the NHL
2018/19: 23rd spot out of 30 in the NHL
2019/20: 17th spot out of 31 in the NHL (covid)
2020/21: 24th spot out of 31 in the NHL
2021/22: 18th spot out of 32 in the NHL
2022/23 projected: 27th spot out of 32 in the NHL

It's actually hard to fail this much.

In winning % the Canucks are 26th out of 32 teams over those years and every team below them is trending quite a bit better... give or take the Coyotes.

The other teams:
27: Ottawa
28: New Jersey
29: Detroit
30: Seattle
31: Arizona
32: Buffalo

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

It's pretty hilarious how people are already projecting usage/contract status as a means to make this transaction sound terrible.

Who knows what his extension looks like? Someone literally said he was going to demand $8M, and then the next person literally says he's not going to produce because he won't get PP time.... etc.

Nobody knows how is he going to be deployed, and what his extension looks like. It all depends on other various factors.

Here are the undebatable facts:

- He's only 25
- He's an RD (fills a massive gap in our defense)
- He's having a phenomenal year producing like a top pairing defenseman (both counting and advanced stats support this)
- He's very cheap next year at 4.4M and is a RFA the year after

All these made up scenarios in your guys' head is literally just that - it's all made up.

On paper, we paid about the going cost for a defenseman of that calibre. See Romanov, Ekholm, deals.

Let's see how he does next year before we crucify him and JR/Allvin yeah?

This is bang on!

 

[Jay26]

I'm just astounded that some people can defend the Canucks trading away two top 40 picks in a very good draft when they're trending downwards. It's like you're being deliberately contrarian.

It's one thing to like the trade in isolation. You can like the player and the value. But to look at other teams smartly selling assets at the deadline and amassing draft picks and say with a straight face "it's better that the Canucks are doing the opposite of this" is insane to me. NOBODY would be defending this if it was Benning. This would be a universally maligned move.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Most important and best player on that team, even having a bad year he .910 SV%
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910 SV% is not very good and his year is going off reputation. I have him in my Hockey pool and followed him all year.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

I'm just astounded that some people can defend the Canucks trading away two top 40 picks in a very good draft when they're trending downwards. It's like you're being deliberately contrarian.

It's one thing to like the trade in isolation. You can like the player and the value. But to look at other teams smartly selling assets at the deadline and amassing draft picks and say with a straight face "it's better that the Canucks are doing the opposite of this" is insane to me. NOBODY would be defending this if it was Benning. This would be a universally maligned move.

It’s about who’s available though! Jones at $9.5 million? Karlsson at $11.5 million? Hamilton when Nemec enters the chat but not yet, and maybe never.

Who would you target that had more of a proven track record and didn’t break the bank. Guys were either overpaid or not proven enough to go for.

I’m curious

 

[Jay26]

Anyway whatever. I can't sleep but continuing to talk about this useless team doing the same loser stuff it has done for 50 years probably isn't helping. G'nite all.

It’s about who’s available though! Jones at $9.5 million? Karlsson at $11.5 million? Hamilton when Nemec enters the chat but not yet, and maybe never.

Who would you target that had more of a proven track record and didn’t break the bank would you have targeted? Guys were either overpaid or not proven enough to go for.

I wouldn't have targeted anyone. I would have been patient for once and built through the draft, only buying when the team started to legitimately contend.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Anyway whatever. I can't sleep but continuing to talk about this useless team doing the same loser stuff it has done for 50 years probably isn't helping. G'nite all.


I wouldn't have targeted anyone. I would have been patient for once and built through the draft, only buying when the team started to legitimately contend.

Then you lose Pettersson, Hughes, Demko because despite what you wanted, they didn’t. They are professional Hockey players that want to win and could give a crap about team tank.

 

[VIPettersson]

Then you lose Pettersson, Hughes, Demko because despite what you wanted, they didn’t. They are professional Hockey players that want to win and could give a crap about team tank.

They aren't going to want to stay when we continue to suck and maybe (at best) lose in the first round of the playoffs either.