The piss match between Canucks and Avs fans will always be funny to me considering we’re not even rivals and this was the first ever trade between both teams.
Confirmed Trade: [VAN/COL] Tucker Poolman (20% retained) and 2025 4th round pick for D Erik Brannstrom
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frightenedinmatenum2
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I agree with everything you said. I'm not trying to dump on him and I have been very consistent saying that he would likely play NHL games for VAN or someone who needed an NHL D due to injuries would give VAN a late pick for him.
Point of contention was people conflating fringe or depth NHL D play with a legitimate bottom pair guy like a true #5.
I think that's a little overstated. The makeup of Vancouver's blueline is set pairs and is top heavy. It's not so much about managing this one player as it is maximizing ice time for Hughes-Hronek.
On one hand the bottom pairing has been much more effective since Brannstrom got to step in, but on the other hand yes it's only 13-14 of ice time a game. And of course a very small sample size. I don't think anybody on the Vancouver is getting carried away here, we have no attachment to his prior draft related expectations and are just happy to seem to have a free effective bottom pair dman. Again the Canucks blueline is top heavy, and losing Zadarov & Cole from last season the depth is very thin going into the season. In the limited sample size to start the season neither the Soucy-Myers or Forbot-Descharnais have looked that good.
For the limited sample size the +/- stat is actually useful here to back up the eye test. Hughes/Hronek are +6/+4, Myers/Soucy -3/-4, and Forbot -1 Brannstrom +4.
The last time the two teams could have been considered good enough at the same time for it to matter was a decade ago in like 2003.
Vancouver has a good rivalry going with Edmonton. And a great playoff series last year.
The Avs have been put in the dirt by Dallas twice in the past five years. And there's a good history there going back decades. It's a much better rivalry for Colorado.
And both teams should be united in their disgust of the Wild.
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it started with Makar vs Hughes vs Fox in their rookie year. Who knew back then those three will likely define a whole generation of defensmen? Some posters didnt let go since. AVs are my backup team, since Sakic and Forsberg's first cup. I hope we will have a solid rivalry again.
I think OFD’s, small offensive forwards, and goalies can fool people with a heater over a small stretch. But If the nucks managed to get something out of nothing, congrats. It’s rare.
vadim sharifijanov
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he’s looked great the last couple games
but it’s hard to tell from what i’m watching whether this is the next brian rafalski claiming his spot in the league or if he’s the kind of small puck carrier that the league is going to figure out and someone is going to feed him his lunch and plaster him all over the ice soon enough.
but it’s hard to tell from what i’m watching whether this is the next brian rafalski claiming his spot in the league or if he’s the kind of small puck carrier that the league is going to figure out and someone is going to feed him his lunch and plaster him all over the ice soon enough.
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He played 150 games over the last 2 years, 16:00 toi, so your basic full time bottom pairing d-man. Though it was for Ottawa so maybe that doesn't count fully.
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11 pages on a D man playing 5/6 minutes or just over 13 minutes a game
Agent Zuuuub
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The first 7 pages or so were people not understanding how the salary cap works
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I missed responding to this, but the reason this contract was suspected to cost more than your average contract was because it wasn't covered by insurance, so it wasn't just a paper deal. It would have cost $2.5m in real dollars every year of the deal when the Canucks were trying to dump it.
Bender
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Wait, are you talking specifically about the season where :
Quinn Hughes
| 2020-21 | Vancouver Canucks | NHL | 56 | 3 | 38 | 41 | 22 | -24 |
Devon Toews
| 2020-21 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | 53 | 9 | 22 | 31 | 16 | 29 |
That -24 eyesore doesn't exactly inspire a ton of confidence in what you're trying to say. Besides, it was probably a select few Avs fans who enjoy taking part in these types of discussions.
We all now realize that Q.Hughes is generational and Makar only wishes he had his skill set.
WarriorofTime
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I always thought there was a bit of a rivalry considering Bertuzzi should have been in jail, and Brian Burke perhaps at least subject to criminal fines, for what happened that one night.
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Hughes -24 doesn't look good but his advanced stats were still way above the average Canuck.
That team was putrid, last place in the North division.
Nucklehead Supreme
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Oh you mean when the Avs were a powerhouse and the Canucks were one of the worst in the league? When Toews got to play with one of the best (if not the best) dmen in the league, while QH got the amazing Luke Schenn?
I mean sure if you completely ignore context.............
How about just realizing that he isn't Tyson Barrie 2.0 (which quite a few in the avs fanbase kept saying) or that you don't need to comment on any message board or social media every time QH name is mentioned, just because a few overzealous Canucks fans had the "gall" to compare the immortal Cale Makar to Quinn Hughes? How about that?
Bender
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Avs regretting this trade big time. Not because Brannstrom is doing well on the Canucks. But because the Avs could have used this guy as a second line winger at this point.
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The infatuation with offensive defensemen who don’t produce and play the most sheltered minutes will never end. One day they will breakout. It’s going to be so good.
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Bender
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A cop-out is probably preferable rather than the endless, pointless player comparisons that people seem to enjoy.
I usually don't partake in that kind of thing. I remember pointlessly arguing with Habs fans about Paul Stastny being 'better' than Guillaume Latendresse during their rookie year...it's a massive waste of time.
So whatever 'stance' or 'opinion' you have or are trying to 'win' - you have. Bravo!
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Sergei Shirokov
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He's been a great find so far.
Canucks needing more puck moving ability in their bottom 4 has been a topic in this market since last season, Brannstrom's done a great job adding that element on the bottom pair.
Again only bottom pair, but given we got him thrown into a cap dump trade it feels like found money.
Sorta like DeSmith last year where you give up a draft pick to move money, then turns out the player coming back is actually a very useful piece.
Canucks needing more puck moving ability in their bottom 4 has been a topic in this market since last season, Brannstrom's done a great job adding that element on the bottom pair.
Again only bottom pair, but given we got him thrown into a cap dump trade it feels like found money.
Sorta like DeSmith last year where you give up a draft pick to move money, then turns out the player coming back is actually a very useful piece.
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