Value of: Value of these recent french-canadians late first round pick to Montreal?

[domiwroze]

I think even a 3rd from Montreal wouldn't be a problem.

Zucker has negative value...
you're willing to take his contract along with a prospect and a 1st for what is the market for ONE of Chiarot or Lehkonen but you just throw both of them for this package cause why not? Oh and lets add a 3rd pick to let us eat Zucker's contract for ya

This isnt a buy one get one free kinda business

 

[HabsCode]

Zucker has negative value...
you're willing to take his contract along with a prospect and a 1st for what is the market for ONE of Chiarot or Lehkonen but you just throw both of them for this package cause why not? Oh and lets add a 3rd pick to let us eat Zucker's contract for ya

This isnt a buy one get one free kinda business

Highly doubt ONE of Chiarot or Lekhonen can fetch a 1st+ a recent 1st round pick by themselves.

 

[Archijerej]

Highly doubt ONE of Chiarot or Lekhonen can fetch a 1st+ a recent 1st round pick by themselves.

Individually, they can't.

The price for either of them is a late 1st, or an equivalent prospect.

 

[Mersss]

Poulin + Zucker + 2023 2nd
for
Chiarot + Lehkonen

Who says no?

Chiarot is worth Poulin
Zucker = 2nd to get rid of
What are you ACTUALLY sending for Lehk? Cause we're not going to let him go for free

 

[Soundgarden]

Any target in Montreal for that 1st?

I could see Poile wanting Petry or Chariot for depth im case of injuries. I think we might be small buyers this year, could see us spend a 1st or just late picks on smaller names players.

Solid 2 way player but he’s so undisciplined it’s crazy. I can’t see this guy as a impact player. But not saying it’s impossible.

He was definitely drafted with Brad Marchand in mind compared to Svechkov's Bergeron comparison.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

I could see Poile wanting Petry or Chariot for depth im case of injuries. I think we might be small buyers this year, could see us spend a 1st or just late picks on smaller names players.




He was definitely drafted with Brad Marchand in mind compared to Svechkov's Bergeron comparison.

Haha I’m sorry I was thinking of Zachary L’herurieux for some reason Svechkov I like more. But he is also feisty and to my knowledge he doesn’t go off the rails like L’Hereaux

 

[spaghtti]

I’m going to negotiate like many habs fans on here, you want your Québécois players you have to over pay

 

[ManofSteel55]

I suppose Bourgault could be available from Edmonton, but I don't see a deal to be made here. The Oilers are looking for a 1A goaltender starter and 1 or 2 mid pairing defensemen. Let's not rehash the whole Cary Price thing here, suffice to say he isn't a target for Holland.

I don't see Petry ever coming here, so he is off the table.

The Habs don't have a lot of cap space so they can't really take on cap dumps.

Not a recipe for a deal to be made for Bourgault.

I DO think Holland is willing to deal a top prospect or a 1st for the right guy. Can he though? I have little faith in him these days.

This. Bourgault isn't a "will never trade" prospect but I don't see any pieces that Montreal has available that would interest me for him. So unless we are talking about Montréals untouchables here, I don't see a deal to be made.

 

[Stephen]

I thought the Habs management realized a long time ago that player aquisition based on whether they have a French background/name was an absolute horid way to run a sports franchise?

Mainly because that had next to zero influence on whether they were a good hockey player or not...

I don't think it would be a huge problem if Montreal focused on acquiring French Canadian players. For me it seems like an issue to hire coaches and management on this criteria but at the player level we see tons of franchises that have specific focuses. Detroit and Toronto have a lot of Swedish representation, Minnesota likes their Minnesota guys and Boston always has healthy supply of New Englanders.

 

[beowulf]

Who cares if the are from Quebec and French holy cow.

 

[Qwijibo]

I doubt management cares very much about acquiring Quebec born players unless they legitimately improve the team and are part of a hockey trade.

 

[habsfan44]

I’m going to negotiate like many habs fans on here, you want your Québécois players you have to over pay

LOL too funny ! Thanks for the laugh .

 

[elitepete]

I thought the Habs management realized a long time ago that player aquisition based on whether they have a French background/name was an absolute horid way to run a sports franchise?

Mainly because that had next to zero influence on whether they were a good hockey player or not...

Their braindead provincial government disagrees with you.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I thought the Habs management realized a long time ago that player aquisition based on whether they have a French background/name was an absolute horid way to run a sports franchise?

Mainly because that had next to zero influence on whether they were a good hockey player or not...

habs new management (and many habs fans on here) may realize it, but clearly not the OP

 

[OG Eberle]

I don't think it would be a huge problem if Montreal focused on acquiring French Canadian players. For me it seems like an issue to hire coaches and management on this criteria but at the player level we see tons of franchises that have specific focuses. Detroit and Toronto have a lot of Swedish representation, Minnesota likes their Minnesota guys and Boston always has healthy supply of New Englanders.

There's a difference between representation and outright making it a focus of your franchise to go out of their way to acquire players with French backgrounds. I don't think Boston or Minnie are sitting in a boardroom going "who are all the players from MIN and NE in the league and how can we get them"? Neither is DET or TOR giving Swede's a heavier look than Canadian or USA born players.

My argument is it seems kind of silly and childish to start trading away assets for other teams "good" or "highly touted" French players when there are many more holes in the roster.

Habs should be on a strict "best player available" diet for the next several seasons for drafting, trading, and free agents.

 

[FanTheFlames]

Dont see pelletier being available from Calgary unless its for a big fish at the deadline as he is currently right at the top of the AHL in scoring as a Rookie

 

[Stephen]

There's a difference between representation and outright making it a focus of your franchise to go out of their way to acquire players with French backgrounds. I don't think Boston or Minnie are sitting in a boardroom going "who are all the players from MIN and NE in the league and how can we get them"? Neither is DET or TOR giving Swede's a heavier look than Canadian or USA born players.

My argument is it seems kind of silly and childish to start trading away assets for other teams "good" or "highly touted" French players when there are many more holes in the roster.

Habs should be on a strict "best player available" diet for the next several seasons for drafting, trading, and free agents.

Pretty sure most teams focus their scouting spotlight, making their BPA lists and prioritizing certain developmental systems, regions and countries when they acquire players. They fit into an organization and locker room and produce a culture. I'm not saying to exclusively draft Quebec born players, but there's nothing really wrong with plugging into the local development systems either.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Neither is DET or TOR giving Swede's a heavier look than Canadian or USA born players.

Well no, but Toronto does have 6 players on their roster who grew up in Toronto and another 2 from nearby parts of Ontario plus Ritchie in the AHL. That's 40% of a 23 man roster including Ritchie. I don't think Montreal's focus on bringing in local players is particularly out of line with what other franchises located in a big hockey areas do (or what teams in other sports do with local players). If you're deciding between a bunch of interchangeable depth guys why not just sign the local guy that will be happy to be there and connect with your fans?

Why is it always so accepted that's its OK for Montreal to want certain players and management based on race/culture? Seems very backwards in todays world.

Every team in every sport brings in local players if they have the ability to do so. It isn't really some insidious thing for Montreal to sign Savard and Perreault any more than it is for Boston to trade for Coyle and sign Grzelcyk, Buffalo to trade for Tuch, or Detroit to draft Larkin and sign Oesterle. Are these moves signs that those teams are targeting players based on race/culture? Of course not.

The management side is a strange thing to bring up now given the team just fired the Quebecois GM and replaced him with an anglophone president of hockey ops from Boston, and hired an anglophone GM who has made his career in Boston for years.

 

[Runner77]

It's not always accepted, actually just take 10 seconds to read the replies and everyone just shits on the idea.

It was just a proposition since it was a theme among media questions to Hughes and Gorton and they talked about the importance of local talent.

I found it interesting because Montreal looks for late first for the likes of Chiarot, Petry and whatnot and some prefer young prospects, and it happen that there is a couple of interesting young prospect coming from the Q drafted in the past few years that I think value might not be exorbitant.

So they only qualify as “local talent” if they’re “French Canadian”?

Do you not see the absurdity of such a proposition? Why make it a racial/ ethnic thing when being local is only about where a player happens to be born and the community he grows up in?

Every team prefers local talent for obvious reasons but it doesn’t need to be defined along racial/ ethnic lines, it’s just retrograde. How about leaving the ethnic/ racial demagoguery garbage to the politicos?

Why are French Canadians named in the thread title? Why not simply say “local talent”? Why perpetuate dumb stereotypes that are needlessly divisive and add nothing to the discussion?

 

[BleedBlue14]

I don’t see a reason Bolduc would be available from the Blues unless a top end LD was on the way back. Maybe for a prospect swap for a defense prospect but I just find it’s rare there are higher end prospects swaps in their D+1 season.

 

[Dough72]

Why is it always so accepted that's its OK for Montreal to want certain players and management based on race/culture? Seems very backwards in todays world.

French Canadian is not a race. And I'm not sure why anyone should have a problem with people preferring their own culture. If that is what they are teaching now just add it to the list of rotten thing they teach.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

French Canadian is not a race. And I'm not sure why anyone should have a problem with people preferring their own culture. If that is what they are teaching now just add it to the list of rotten thing they teach.

Wanting Quebecois players is as dumb as Leafs fans, Cherry as the extreme example, wanting players from Ontario. It's bizarre provincial and cultural pride that should have nothing to do with your team. It's great if you can happen to get the hometown guy as your next superstar, but you'd have to be pretty stupid to try and shoehorn that shit.

 

[Richard88]

OP you forgot Beaucage

 

[Rafafouille]

So they only qualify as “local talent” if they’re “French Canadian”?

Do you not see the absurdity of such a proposition? Why make it a racial/ ethnic thing when being local is only about where a player happens to be born and the community he grows up in?

Every team prefers local talent for obvious reasons but it doesn’t need to be defined along racial/ ethnic lines, it’s just retrograde. How about leaving the ethnic/ racial demagoguery garbage to the politicos?

Why are French Canadians named in the thread title? Why not simply say “local talent”? Why perpetuate dumb stereotypes that are needlessly divisive and add nothing to the discussion?

Considering how much the media trashed Molson for hiring Hugues, yes. Doesn't matter if you're a Montrealer born and raised, if you're from the west island and English is your first language you do not count.

 

[samsagat]

Considering how much the media trashed Molson for hiring Hugues, yes. Doesn't matter if you're a Montrealer born and raised, if you're from the west island and English is your first language you do not count.

False, I haven't read any (french) media trashing Hughes hire, you're creating a false news to fit your agenda.