Proposal: Value of Quinn Hughes
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Luke and Quinn are 2 LHD who's ideal role is basically identical. If you have both of them, that means either one, or both, are not being used optimally.
I'm not opposed to 2 elite dmen on the blueline at all.
It is an understanding that a team who's other dman at the caliber of Hughes (but different stylistically and/or handedness)
Quinn+ Dman of Luke's level who is a shutdown RHD > Quinn+Luke
Luke + Dman of Quinn's level who is a more defensive RHD > Quinn + Luke
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But they're really not that identical, outside their sick speed they're pretty different defensemen, Quinn is a much better passer like Jack while Luke has more size and a threat to go end to end. When you think about it Quinn and Jack are more similar than Quinn and Luke.
Also having both makes beating our nemesis Carolina with their relentless forecheck a lot easier.
And give Luke time, he definitely has the attributes of a shutdown defenseman.
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One second thought, Canucks add now if they want Nemec
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And what attributes are those? That he happens to play defense? There's no way you actually think he can be an elite shutdown D.
There's reality and then there's drug induced delusion.
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Where did I say elite? I'll wait champ.
And what attributes are those? That he happens to play defense? There's no way you actually think he can be an elite shutdown D.
There's reality and then there's drug induced delusion.
Van doesn't have that much leverage. Best player in the deal usually doesn't warrant the best return - esp with little hope for an extension. If Quinn wants NJ, then - may have to settle for less and the faster the trade, the better the return. Dougie, Casey or Nemec, Mercer and 1st.
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1) As @HellOnIce just replied to you, the Canucks have no leverage. If Quinn wants to go play with his brothers, which sounds increasingly likely, not only can the Devils just wait them out, the other 30 teams in the league won't want to sell the farm for him either if they believe Quinn will only be with them for max 2 seasons.
2) The job of the Canucks mgmt is to ensure the best return possible, not to worry about how badly the trade hurts NJD. The fact that the trade I proposed is not anything the Devils "can't live without" is not tantamount to saying it's bad.
Hamilton, while he's no Quinn Hughes, is a legit #1 offensive Dman who can fill the role of Hughes and replace him on the #1 PP and fill a decent chunk of the offense.
Nemec and Mercer are two very good young pieces who can become foundational for Van. Not only do I think that's a very solid trade for the Canucks given the circumstances, I actually think you could argue they would be a better team with Hamilton, Mercer, and Nemec (assuming Nemec and Mercer progress as expected) than with just Q. Hughes alone.
And what attributes are those? That he happens to play defense? There's no way you actually think he can be an elite shutdown D.
There's reality and then there's drug induced delusion.
A laughing emoji doesn’t make you correct it just marks you as arrogant or worse. You don’t watch NJ and don’t know enough about Luke as a player to offer more than a surface dismissal. Quinn has been defended by Canucks fans and MTL fans have vigorously defended Hutson’s defense but the bigger stronger faster player who is by all accounts very competitive and intense can’t become a good defender especially in a system made for him to fit into? Sure.
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I mean even suggesting that he can be a shutdown defenseman is a stretch just because he's halfway decent at stick checking. He has a long way to go before he can be trusted in his own zone.Where did I say elite? I'll wait champ.
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Yeah, that's what I thought. And I don't engage with pricks and trolls so have a nice day.
I mean even suggesting that he can be a shutdown defenseman is a stretch just because he's halfway decent at stick checking. He has a long way to go before he can be trusted in his own zone.
Ignorance is bliss as the saying goes.
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A laughing emoji is all you get when you make baseless assumptions that make you feel like your opinion is valid over someone else's. There's a word for people like that. But, what was it you said? Ignorance is bliss? It absolutely can be. Soak it up.
Someone doesn't agree with what I say ≠ being a prick or a troll, but have fun staying in your echo chamber. It'll keep you safe from differing opinions. People really have thin skin around here. So disappointing.Yeah, that's what I thought. And I don't engage with pricks and trolls so have a nice day.
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Do you know why this is a baseless assumption? You didn't even take the time to grill me and figure out for yourself the validity of your own statement.
That's what a baseless assumption means. Glad you learned something new today.
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And you're basing that off, what, exactly? My luke warm reception of Luke's ability to be a shutdown D?
Or because I don't spend my life talking about games on a message board on a daily basis? Honestly, not sure which is worse, but whatever makes you feel right.
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Important to mention:
If Rick Tochett leaves, signing Quinn significantly decreases.
This means that if canucks wanted to be proactive on the market, they "Could" Trade Hughes THIS offseason for an absolute haul.
some team would love to get Quinn for 2 full seasons compared to one next year knowing he will go to the devils, its 100% a rental.
If I was the NJD, I would jump on this NOW, getting an extra 2 years of quinn in his prime would be amazing for them, and he would 100% Sign a extension as well, so you basically get him for 10 years total.
But even if NJD wanna wait, another team can have quinn for 2 years, 2 playoff runs, thats significant.
But what ever they do, 1 thing is for sure, ownership would want WIN PLAYERS NOW in any trade, because they refuse to do a rebuild.
If Rick Tochett leaves, signing Quinn significantly decreases.
This means that if canucks wanted to be proactive on the market, they "Could" Trade Hughes THIS offseason for an absolute haul.
some team would love to get Quinn for 2 full seasons compared to one next year knowing he will go to the devils, its 100% a rental.
If I was the NJD, I would jump on this NOW, getting an extra 2 years of quinn in his prime would be amazing for them, and he would 100% Sign a extension as well, so you basically get him for 10 years total.
But even if NJD wanna wait, another team can have quinn for 2 years, 2 playoff runs, thats significant.
But what ever they do, 1 thing is for sure, ownership would want WIN PLAYERS NOW in any trade, because they refuse to do a rebuild.
And you're basing that off, what, exactly? My luke warm reception of Luke's ability to be a shutdown D?
Honestly, not sure which is worse, but whatever makes you feel right.
People who watch a team and want to make a valid criticism can discuss the specifics of how and why they arrive at an opinion and can discuss it in nuanced terms. I made a point that you have yet to refute and you have offered no details or any reason whatsoever about but underlies your opinion. Think what you want I don’t care but if you are going to pretend you have insight into a particular player I would expect you to be able to defend your thesis with more than a laugh emoji. So you don’t watch NJ in more than a few games and maybe a snippet here and there and at this point you are desperately avoiding the merits of the discussion. So again not a baseless assumption.
