Proposal: Value of Quinn Hughes

[HFpapi]

I think Canunks mgmt have to believe there is a real chance Quinn wants to join his brothers on a team and one that is on an upward trajectory, especially given the shit show the Canucks have been in the locker room the past 2 seasons.

For NJD to accommodate Quinn, Hamilton and his $9.5 mil contract probably has to go off the books. Hamilton can at least replace a large chunk of the offense that the Canucks will be losing on the backend.

If the Nucks want to just get it over with and the Devils are ok to pay to have Quinn 2 seasons earlier, maybe something like Hamilton, Nemec, and Mercer?

Steep price but Hughes just replaces Hamilton's #1 spot and contract so the price for making that upgrade becomes two good young pieces but nothing the Devils can't live without.

 

[MS]

There is a less than 0% chance that Quinn Hughes is traded from the Canucks in the next 12 months.

 

[NVious]

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All our draft picks next 3 drafts (2 2nds, 3 3rds, 4th, 4 5ths, 4 6ths, 2 7ths)

 

[Baksfamous112]

If Quinn Hughes didn't miss time I think he'd be a back to back Norris winner this year.

Young D who if healthy should be top 3 in voting for next 8 ish years.

A team needs Elite talent to win the cup.

The Blues in 2019 may be the least star stuffed team to win it since the cap world began.

They still had Petro + RoR + Tarasenko etc.

Edit: Quinn Hughes level players do not grow on trees. If he is willing to go to a team you do it.

I agree with you but what’s the point of gutting your team of talent to bring in a guy like Hughes if he’s going to be all alone because you traded all the young talent you had on your team/pipeline for him?

As good as Hughes is if a team guts his depth and talent for him they ain’t going much further than they were before acquiring him.

Cost acquisition is a real thing and most of the time overlooked on HFBoards

 

[Peter Griffin]

I think Canunks mgmt have to believe there is a real chance Quinn wants to join his brothers on a team and one that is on an upward trajectory, especially given the shit show the Canucks have been in the locker room the past 2 seasons.

For NJD to accommodate Quinn, Hamilton and his $9.5 mil contract probably has to go off the books. Hamilton can at least replace a large chunk of the offense that the Canucks will be losing on the backend.

If the Nucks want to just get it over with and the Devils are ok to pay to have Quinn 2 seasons earlier, maybe something like Hamilton, Nemec, and Mercer?

Steep price but Hughes just replaces Hamilton's #1 spot and contract so the price for making that upgrade becomes two good young pieces but nothing the Devils can't live without.

That’s an awful return for Hughes. If the Canucks move Hughes, they’re rebuilding, they aren’t going to take on Hamilton’s contract just to accommodate the Devils. It’s not as if Nemec and Mercer is some bounty that half the teams in the league could better with the premise of getting him for 2 playoff runs.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I agree with you but what’s the point of gutting your team of talent to bring in a guy like Hughes if he’s going to be all alone because you traded all the young talent you had on your team/pipeline for him?

As good as Hughes is if a team guts his depth and talent for him they ain’t going much further than they were before acquiring him.

Cost acquisition is a real thing and most of the time overlooked on HFBoards

Hypothetical scenario -

Quinn Hughes with 2 years notice tells the Canucks I am not playing here anymore.

Hurricanes make an offer with the Canucks.

Stankoven + Alexander Nikishin + 1 Dallas Stars 1st.

Who wins? Is it fair?

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

filip zadina, straight up










seriously though. i think detroit would be in a good position to make this a win-win for both teams. for a sign and trade, i would be willing to trade danielson, augustine, johansson, wallinder (for the wall - will pairing we all want and need) '27 1st unprotected

 

[HFpapi]

That’s an awful return for Hughes. If the Canucks move Hughes, they’re rebuilding, they aren’t going to take on Hamilton’s contract just to accommodate the Devils. It’s not as if Nemec and Mercer is some bounty that half the teams in the league could better with the premise of getting him for 2 playoff runs.

I don't really disagree with you at all but I think the return is heavily restricted by the fact that if it comes to Vancouver shopping Hughes, it's probably an open secret that he's likely planning to take himself to free agency and more likely than not sign with his brothers.

If they thought they could sign him for 8 years and thus have Quinn for a full decade, I think the Kings for example would give both Byfield & Clarke in a trade which is clearly superior to Nemec and Mercer but not for only 2 years.

Since the Canucks ownership seem to be completely averse to rebuilding, I think there's a case to be made that Hamilton, Mercer, Nemec makes the Canucks a better team over the next two years than Hughes alone does and after Hamilton ages out you still have two strong core pieces to show for the trade.

Teams won't gut their roster or sell their futures for two years of Hughes and the Canucks can't let him walk for nothing. Also, they aren't taking Hamilton just to accommodate NJ. Hamilton had like 70+ points last year. He replaces most of Hughes offense.

 

[LemonSauceD]

filip zadina, straight up










seriously though. i think detroit would be in a good position to make this a win-win for both teams. for a sign and trade, i would be willing to trade danielson, augustine, johansson, wallinder (for the wall - will pairing we all want and need) '27 1st unprotected

Any trade for Quinn Hughes starts with Edvinsson or ASP coming back the other way lol.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I highly doubt Quinn just walks up and leaves to join his brothers when he essentially holds the keys to the franchise. He loves the coaching staff and has already cemented roots here in Vancouver. But yes, anything can happen.

Quinn is arguably a top 5-7 player. If Quinn decided to leave, it would be like Kevin Durant leaving OKC and would put a massive stain on his legacy as the guy who jumped ship and didn’t have what it takes to lead a team to competitive success, like every other great player.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Threads like this are honestly disrespectful.

He is the captain of the Vancouver Canucks, and has never once said anything about playing anywhere else.

Has anyone here ever heard Quinn Hughes speak? He is a big time hockey nerd with oldschool values and work ethic, with designs on being one of the greatest players of all time. This is our Sidney Crosby.

What are “old school values”? He gonna Make Vancouver Great Again?

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Quinn is arguably a top 5-7 player. If Quinn decided to leave, it would be like Kevin Durant leaving OKC and would put a massive stain on his legacy as the guy who jumped ship and didn’t have what it takes to lead a team to competitive success, like every other great player.

Quinn playing with his brothers would not put a massive stain on his legacy, lol. Would it upset some Vancouver fans? Sure. Would the hockey world in general care? Absolutely not.

 

[Coffee]

There is a less than 0% chance that Quinn Hughes is traded from the Canucks in the next 12 months.

What if Ottawa calls Allvin and offers Stutzle?

 

[Peter Griffin]

Also, they aren't taking Hamilton just to accommodate NJ. Hamilton had like 70+ points last year. He replaces most of Hughes offense.

“For NJD to accommodate Quinn, Hamilton and his $9.5 mil contract probably has to go off the books.”

Literally your own quote. Vancouver isn’t going to accommodate New Jersey for an offer that isn’t likely to exceed other offers for a premier talent in the NHL.

My feelings on your proposal is that neither Nemec or Mercer are exciting young players at this point, so why accommodate Quinn to New Jersey unless you’re not getting a better offer from other teams. I guarantee teams would offer more than a struggling 3rd year defender, mid 20’s middle 6 winger and a 32/33 year old, oft-injured defender. It’s not a competitive offer unless you somehow think Nemec’s value is anywhere near his draft position , which it’s not. I’d rather take the picks/prospects which make more sense if the Canucks are trading the only player keeping them somewhat relevant.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Hypothetical scenario -

Quinn Hughes with 2 years notice tells the Canucks I am not playing here anymore.

Hurricanes make an offer with the Canucks.

Stankoven + Alexander Nikishin + 1 Dallas Stars 1st.

Who wins? Is it fair?

I would certainly consider that over the other Devils’ proposal in this thread.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Any trade for Quinn Hughes starts with Edvinsson or ASP coming back the other way lol.

i'd consider trading asp, but not with much else attached. asp will be as good as hughes

 

[Andre Palot]

Teams won't trade that much because he's going to Jersey in free agency

We can only hope

 

[Ekiru]

Seems best to just wait until Quinn hits free agency, if youre New Jersey; no need to use all your assets

 

[Peter Griffin]

i'd consider trading asp, but not with much else attached. asp will be as good as hughes

So you’re projecting ASP will be a Norris-winner and arguably a top 5 player league wide before ever playing a game in North America? Lofty expectations.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

So you’re projecting ASP will be a Norris-winner and arguably a top 5 player league wide before ever playing a game in North America? Lofty expectations.

si

 

[John Mandalorian]

What if Ottawa calls Allvin and offers Stutzle?

Hard to imagine Ottawa doing that.

 

[Diablo2020]

Vancouver doesnt need anything the Devils have to offer.

But every other team does. Basically NJD have alllll the trade chips that Vancouver lacks.

Hamilton for cap purposes, VAN should be able to flip him somewhere. Mercer as a mid 20s forward, VAN literally doesnt have a single one comparable.

Nemec, every single team would want him and is everything we need in a core trade piece. Casey, I cannot believe it, but i'd reflip him too. Canucks havent had proper RHD for decades and somehow we have Hronek Willander Mancini Myers now so we actually dont need a highly coveted offensive RHD who 30 other teams would want.

We make the worst yet best trade partners. Or maybe Nashville does the reflipping since they need all 4 of those players I listed above.

Molendyk, #3, #26, #30 to VAN
Hamilton, Nemec, Casey, Mercer to NSH
Hughes to NJD

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

i'd consider trading asp, but not with much else attached. asp will be as good as hughes

Lol ASP is gonna be a slightly better defensively Ghost

 

[Smitty426]

Vancouver doesnt need anything the Devils have to offer.

But every other team does. Basically NJD have alllll the trade chips that Vancouver lacks.

Hamilton for cap purposes, VAN should be able to flip him somewhere. Mercer as a mid 20s forward, VAN literally doesnt have a single one comparable.

Nemec, every single team would want him and is everything we need in a core trade piece. Casey, I cannot believe it, but i'd reflip him too. Canucks havent had proper RHD for decades and somehow we have Hronek Willander Mancini Myers now so we actually dont need a highly coveted offensive RHD who 30 other teams would want.

We make the worst yet best trade partners. Or maybe Nashville does the reflipping since they need all 4 of those players I listed above.

Molendyk, #3, #26, #30 to VAN
Hamilton, Nemec, Casey, Mercer to NSH
Hughes to NJD

Maybe I'm missing something but why doesn't Jersey wait until Quinnis just an UFA abd sign him

 

[Smitty426]

I highly doubt Quinn just walks up and leaves to join his brothers when he essentially holds the keys to the franchise. He loves the coaching staff and has already cemented roots here in Vancouver. But yes, anything can happen.

Quinn is arguably a top 5-7 player. If Quinn decided to leave, it would be like Kevin Durant leaving OKC and would put a massive stain on his legacy as the guy who jumped ship and didn’t have what it takes to lead a team to competitive success, like every other great player.

That's hysterical thinking.