Value of: Value of Lafreniere to Vancouver

[The Real JT]

Well, he's getting minutes and failing in them once again. This movie plays out with high picks all the time. Sometimes, not often, they click very late, but Lafreniere doesn't look like his game has improved much with time in the league. If you don't think his value is diminishing rapidly, you're not being honest.

The return will close in Yakupov very soon. By his 4th year, Nail wasn't worth much. I'm sure you're now going to tell everyone how Lafreniere is different.

Amazing that about a year ago, Rangers fans wouldn't even include him in an Eichel deal. I wouldn't trade Peyton Krebs for him today, let Alex Tuch or a 16th overall. Buffalo just got lucky because Sabres probably would have taken Lafreniere if available.

Is Lafreniere even a top pick 15 pick in a 2020 redraft? I would take Schneider over him. Rangers did very well there. I'd love to have that kid, strong RDs are hard to find.

Laf is obviously a better player than MDC but the Isles kept hoping their guy would get better and then ultimately let him go for nothing.

Laf will be an NHL regular IMO. I’m not saying otherwise. Sometimes it’s better to take 50 cents on the dollar before your value craters . The Isles were fortunate in the past to do just that with the Griffin Reinhart flip for the pick that became Barzal.

As far as having too many first rounders already. I don’t think that’s a thing.

 

[FerrisRox]

Is Lafreniere even a top pick 15 pick in a 2020 redraft? I would take Schneider over him. Rangers did very well there. I'd love to have that kid, strong RDs are hard to find.

Only two players have more NHL points than Lafreniere in that draft class. How on earth would he slip down to #16?

Who are you taking ahead of him?

 

[Warh1ppy]

Podkolzin is a 21 year old, mediocre AHL player. Dude has the value of maybe a 3rd round pick at this stage. He’s someone the club should trade in a change of scenery deal but he’s bringing back someone of a low caliber like him. Say someone like Kaut or Merkley or Nolan Foote or B Tracey.

Some guy you hope maybe becomes a middle six regular or bottom pair defender.

Lol your hot takes are always the worst and so questionable.

Lafreniere with 71 points in 180 games is worth the moon but Podkolzin with 29 in 95 is worth MAYBE a third without once mentioning who on a good team and who's on Vancouver

Too funny

 

[StickShift]

Only two players have more NHL points than Lafreniere in that draft class. How on earth would he slip down to #16?

Who are you taking ahead of him?

Is it that crazy? Maybe not 16, but he’s probably out of the top-10 by now.

He’s played way more games than any of his other draft class so of course by simple counting he’ll be near the top of his class.

But I bet if you look at production just this season or the last 60 games or so it is not so favorable le . There’s probably 8 or 9 forwards ahead of him (Stutzle, Raymond, Perfetti, Mercer, Lundell, Jarvis, Mercer, Quinn?)

And then consider the defensemen taken after him too. Their counting stats won’t be as high, but I would argue too that the value of defensemen like Schneider, Drysdale, Sanderson, etc have already eclipsed him.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Only two players have more NHL points than Lafreniere in that draft class. How on earth would he slip down to #16?

Who are you taking ahead of him?

You are honestly smoking good stuff if you think most teams wouldn't rather have guys like Seth Jarvis, Lucas Raymodn, Cole Perfetti, or Tim Stutzle. I wouldn't trade jack Quinn for Lafreniere in any way. Lafreniere has played 181 games and looked average -- his play is actually regressing. And he is on a good team where he gets a ton of offensive zone starts.

You can add Holtz, Askarov, Drysdale, and Mercer. Honestly, I like JJ Peterka's upside more than Lafreniere.

 

[M2Beezy]

Both Lafreniere and Hoglander need a change, this could benefit both teams:

To NYR: Hoglander, Stillman, Hirano, 2024 5th

To Van: Lafreniere, 2023 4th

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Is it that crazy? Maybe not 16, but he’s probably out of the top-10 by now.

He's not in the top 10 now. Another average year in 2023-24 will destroy even more value.

 

[Profet]

Both Lafreniere and Hoglander need a change, this could benefit both teams:

To NYR: Hoglander, Stillman, Hirano, 2024 5th

To Van: Lafreniere, 2023 4th

In what reality does this benefit the Rangers? Do they need to fill out their ECHL roster rather than icing a competitive team?

EDIT:
Nevermind just saw your post/reaction ratio as well as post count. Hi! Bye!

 

[smoneil]

You are honestly smoking good stuff if you think most teams wouldn't rather have guys like Seth Jarvis, Lucas Raymodn, Cole Perfetti, or Tim Stutzle. I wouldn't trade jack Quinn for Lafreniere in any way. Lafreniere has played 181 games and looked average -- his play is actually regressing. And he is on a good team where he gets a ton of offensive zone starts.

You can add Holtz, Askarov, Drysdale, and Mercer. Honestly, I like JJ Peterka's upside more than Lafreniere.

The issue you refuse to see is that there are two points people are trying to make in all of these Laf trade proposal threads:

1- Other NHL teams trying to assess Laf's value in trade.
2- Nearly every single Rangers fan* informing other NHL teams that Laf isn't for sale.

Value, re-draft status, all of the stuff you have been obsessing about? None of it matters. Those things come into play when a player is available. Laf is not available (for the reasons I mentioned in my previous post).

That's why these threads get so damned annoying. A fan of some other team will post a trade proposal for Laf. Rangers fans will, AGAIN, point out that Laf is not for sale. Other teams' fans will then spend pages going on about how the Rangers SHOULD trade him and should trade him for whatever scraps** their team is offering.

Here's a wild thought. No new Laf trade threads. Rangers fans will be content to see how Laf develops, for good or ill. And fans of other teams can be content to NOT trade for the guy they think sucks and wouldn't be taken in an ECHL draft etc etc etc. Everybody would be happy!


* And to put that into context, do you know how rare it is for Rangers fans to universally agree about anything!?

** scraps, or players who make no sense for the Rangers due to position and/or cap space

 

[SRHRangers]

Put this to bed.

LaF isn't available.

 

[bernmeister]

Both Lafreniere and Hoglander need a change, this could benefit both teams:

To NYR: Hoglander, Stillman, Hirano, 2024 5th

To Van: Lafreniere, 2023 4th

no, LaF has upside. Room for further improvement in skating, but ok enuf
Key now is rep mins w/linemates he clicks with = kid line, as per last nite

Do not want Hog...

 

[Barnaby]

He's not getting showcased. He has been playing on line 1 and PP1 because Kreider was injured.

The issue isn't his value, it's what the payment would need to be for the Rangers to trade him. They aren't the same thing. The return needs to be good enough that the Rangers are willing to risk him breaking out on another team. A late 1st isn't that. The Rangers already have 2 1sts in this draft, so adding another doesn't move the needle at all.

For those who actually follow the team

 

[krutovsdonut]

EDIT:
Nevermind just saw your post/reaction ratio as well as post count. Hi! Bye!

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[LemonSauceD]

He’s a Benoit Pouliot 2.0. Both players former high picks, drafted out of the Q, and just unable to translate their game to the NHL level.

Lafreniere will probably top 9 forward but I just don’t see him reaching his ceiling. He’s got very low upside.

 

[krutovsdonut]

historically, teams that blow the 1oa pick tend to fully depreciate the player down to almost nothing before they take the loss. it's weird because these players hold a value well above their current scouting for quite a while around the league as a lottery ticket but the drafting team above all should know what they don't have. i guess it is lost cost fallacy plus undue fear of the reputational hit from trading such a player and then having him make good elsewhere.

anyway, i see no reason to suppose the rangers are going to act differently than the habs with wickenheiser and the oilers with yakupov, but the lure of loading up for the playoffs might make common sense prevail.

 

[Seachd]

Both Lafreniere and Hoglander need a change, this could benefit both teams:

To NYR: Hoglander, Stillman, Hirano, 2024 5th

To Van: Lafreniere, 2023 4th

Not only is this terrible for the Rangers, but he’s not the Canucks’ to trade.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Both Lafreniere and Hoglander need a change, this could benefit both teams:

To NYR: Hoglander, Stillman, Hirano, 2024 5th

To Van: Lafreniere, 2023 4th

Why the shit would the Rangers do this? Laf is not a bust (yet), they ain't trading him for a middle sixer at best as the main piece and I like Hog

 

[TGWL]

Lol your hot takes are always the worst and so questionable.

Lafreniere with 71 points in 180 games is worth the moon but Podkolzin with 29 in 95 is worth MAYBE a third without once mentioning who on a good team and who's on Vancouver

Too funny

Vancouver has scored more goals than NYR over the last 2 season. The numbers are pretty similar, but Vancouver doesn't have a worse point producing problem.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Vancouver has scored more goals than NYR over the last 2 season. The numbers are pretty similar, but Vancouver doesn't have a worse point producing problem.

Really? I never would have guessed that.

 

[TGWL]

Really? I never would have guessed that.

They've given up almost 100 more. But that's a different story.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

They've given up almost 100 more. But that's a different story.

Yah that doesn't surprise me lol

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

The issue you refuse to see is that there are two points people are trying to make in all of these Laf trade proposal threads:

1- Other NHL teams trying to assess Laf's value in trade.
2- Nearly every single Rangers fan* informing other NHL teams that Laf isn't for sale.

Value, re-draft status, all of the stuff you have been obsessing about? None of it matters. Those things come into play when a player is available. Laf is not available (for the reasons I mentioned in my previous post).

That's why these threads get so damned annoying. A fan of some other team will post a trade proposal for Laf. Rangers fans will, AGAIN, point out that Laf is not for sale. Other teams' fans will then spend pages going on about how the Rangers SHOULD trade him and should trade him for whatever scraps** their team is offering.

Here's a wild thought. No new Laf trade threads. Rangers fans will be content to see how Laf develops, for good or ill. And fans of other teams can be content to NOT trade for the guy they think sucks and wouldn't be taken in an ECHL draft etc etc etc. Everybody would be happy!


* And to put that into context, do you know how rare it is for Rangers fans to universally agree about anything!?

** scraps, or players who make no sense for the Rangers due to position and/or cap space

Keep holding him. The judgement call is value declines more. Sabres faced that with their #8 Nylander, the bad Nylander. What a mind-blowing bust. New GM flipped him for a decent D in Jokiharju. That's your question. We could have bailed on Tage Thompson and be kicking ourselves. I think Tage as a late bloomer is a bit of luck, to be honest

 

[McShogun99]

This sounds exactly like the type of player Rutherford is talking about. Would the Rangers be willing to move Laf for Horvat? Is there another piece I’m missing here?

This is something any rebuilding team should do. Just trade for a bunch of failed, high ranked prospects and hope one of them turns out.

 

[McJedi]

Lol your hot takes are always the worst and so questionable.

Lafreniere with 71 points in 180 games is worth the moon but Podkolzin with 29 in 95 is worth MAYBE a third without once mentioning who on a good team and who's on Vancouver

Too funny

Yea. You guys have so spot on with the value Vancouver realized trading JT Miller, Garland, Boeser, Myers, OEL and so on.

Someone said Newhook for Podkolzin wasn’t a deal Vancouver makes. Lol.

To his credit, I’ve noticed that will Hoglander isn’t doing much in the AHL, Podkolzin is now scoring goals at that level. So kudos to him for making an offensive impact in the AHL. But newhook scores NHL goals.

I see no reason why Vancouver trades either Hoglander or Podkolzin right now. What would be the point or urgency to sell low? There isn’t any.

same thing with LaF. Really doubt any of these three are involved in active trade discussions. Add newhook to that list too.

 

[McJedi]

Both Lafreniere and Hoglander need a change, this could benefit both teams:

To NYR: Hoglander, Stillman, Hirano, 2024 5th

To Van: Lafreniere, 2023 4th

Vancouver adds a lot to this.