Speculation: Value of Bedard...for Kings ransom

[HabsAddict]

On another Habs forum, It appears that I'm all alone that IF we get Bedard, to trade him for a kings ransom.

My reasoning is that Lindros was also a generational player but it was the Avalanche that won cups and Philly went nowhere fast with Lindros. Also looking at Oilers and they are not dominating despite having the current BEST player in the world AND another top 10 best.

A speculative Kings ransom trade would look like...Stutzle, Chabot and Pinto. I'm NOT saying that the Sens will do it, but that is what it going to look like, if not MORE.

Problem of course is that few teams have that many young players that they can trade away. NJ, Buffalo and Sens are the ones that have enough very good to great players to even make this kind of trade. Teams like the Habs have a LOT of young players but we basically have to cut deep into the team to trade for Bedard.

Another issue is cost. Example are the 3 Sens which combined and full potential can cost 25 million. That's far more then Bedard can get even if he is the highest paid player in the league.

On the other hand, an injured superstar hurts FAR more then 1 star out of 3.

Sooo....

Let's say your team won the lottery, would you trade Bedard?

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BTW, this is what the Lindros trade tree looks like...

How Lindros trade helped Avalanche win two Stanley Cups | NHL Trade Tree

www.sportsnet.ca

Click to read more...

 

[HuGort]

On another Habs forum, It appears that I'm all alone that IF we get Bedard, to trade him for a kings ransom.

My reasoning is that Lindros was also a generational player but it was the Avalanche that won cups and Philly went nowhere fast with Lindros. Also looking at Oilers and they are not dominating despite having the current BEST player in the world AND another top 10 best.

A speculative Kings ransom trade would look like...Stutzle, Chabot and Pinto. I'm NOT saying that the Sens will do it, but that is what it going to look like, if not MORE.

Problem of course is that few teams have that many young players that they can trade away. NJ, Buffalo and Sens are the ones that have enough very good to great players to even make this kind of trade. Teams like the Habs have a LOT of young players but we basically have to cut deep into the team to trade for Bedard.

Another issue is cost. Example are the 3 Sens which combined and full potential can cost 25 million. That's far more then Bedard can get even if he is the highest paid player in the league.

On the other hand, an injured superstar hurts FAR more then 1 star out of 3.

Sooo....

Let's say your team won the lottery, would you trade Bedard?

~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, this is what the Lindros trade tree looks like...

How Lindros trade helped Avalanche win two Stanley Cups | NHL Trade Tree

www.sportsnet.ca

Canucks would probably overpay

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Canucks would probably overpay

The price which would be demanded for that pick would make 0 sense for any team to fork up. For example, the Canucks' package would have to start with Pettersson with a shit ton of picks and whatever prospects we have (maybe Demko too) but at that point I'd just rather have Pettersson and keep those assets because I don't think the difference between Pettersson and Bedard is going to be as big as the price we'd have to pay to bridge that gap.

 

[Sweetpotato]

The amount a team would want would be more than any team would pay.

 

[HuGort]

The price which would be demanded for that pick would make 0 sense for any team to fork up. For example, the Canucks' package would have to start with Pettersson with a shit ton of picks and whatever prospects we have (maybe Demko too) but at that point I'd just rather have Pettersson and keep those assets because I don't think the difference between Pettersson and Bedard is going to be as big as the price we'd have to pay to bridge that gap.

Bedard is 6 years younger and next 3 years on ELC though. Plus he is from Vancouver. Those are 3 big adds. Especially the 10 million a season cheaper one.

If Montreal wins lottery,doubt Pettersson has to be included though.

 

[HabsAddict]

The price which would be demanded for that pick would make 0 sense for any team to fork up. For example, the Canucks' package would have to start with Pettersson with a shit ton of picks and whatever prospects we have (maybe Demko too) but at that point I'd just rather have Pettersson and keep those assets because I don't think the difference between Pettersson and Bedard is going to be as big as the price we'd have to pay to bridge that gap.

Canucks don't have enough young talent to pay the price and still be competitive.

It would probably be Pettersson and Hughes, maybe more, leaving nothing in the cupboard. Same as the Habs, the ask would be CC/Suzuki/Guhle (more?) which leaves a pretty bare cupboard unless we get Dubois

Few teams have enough young talent to do this.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

If the Caps win the lottery I can’t see them trading Bedard. He’d be the perfect piece to usher in the post-Ovi era without having to go through a painful rebuild.

That said, maybe if one of the other lottery teams coveted Bedard I could see them dropping and picking up Fantilli, Carlsson, or Michkov along with more assets.

 

[MXD]

...What's the max amount of 1st rounders a team can trade away in a single trade?

 

[Frank Drebin]

These trades don't work anymore with the cap

 

[MXD]

Bedard is 6 years younger and next 3 years on ELC though. Plus he is from Vancouver. Those are 3 big adds. Especially the 10 million a season cheaper one.

If Montreal wins lottery,doubt Pettersson has to be included though.

Which one?

 

[HabsAddict]

Bedard is 6 years younger and next 3 years on ELC though. Plus he is from Vancouver. Those are 3 big adds. Especially the 10 million a season cheaper one.

If Montreal wins lottery,doubt Pettersson has to be included though.

Complicated speculation.

IF Dubois is on the way, then Pettersson is not needed BUT other then Hughes, you don't have much of anything else that can be called a young star. So you would be adding a huge pack of future that you need to rebuild. Which, while great, really doesn't propel any team straight to contention.

Canucks are in a long haul of rebuilding and maybe 3 years away from getting there. On the other hand, Bedard would be the entire foundation to build on.

 

[Weltschmerz]

...What's the max amount of 1st rounders a team can trade away in a single trade?

27

 

[blankall]

I can't see any team trading Bedard. He's potentially good enough to make your franchise a contender for 10+ years. There's always the risk he doesn't quite meet his potential or gets injured, but a lot of that same risk carries over to any assets that a team would acquire in a trade.

 

[Lockin17]

Arizona have the players as well.

Kelller + Cooley + pick #6 2023 could make this trade happen

 

[BLNY]

On another Habs forum, It appears that I'm all alone that IF we get Bedard, to trade him for a kings ransom.

My reasoning is that Lindros was also a generational player but it was the Avalanche that won cups and Philly went nowhere fast with Lindros. Also looking at Oilers and they are not dominating despite having the current BEST player in the world AND another top 10 best.

A speculative Kings ransom trade would look like...Stutzle, Chabot and Pinto. I'm NOT saying that the Sens will do it, but that is what it going to look like, if not MORE.

Problem of course is that few teams have that many young players that they can trade away. NJ, Buffalo and Sens are the ones that have enough very good to great players to even make this kind of trade. Teams like the Habs have a LOT of young players but we basically have to cut deep into the team to trade for Bedard.

Another issue is cost. Example are the 3 Sens which combined and full potential can cost 25 million. That's far more then Bedard can get even if he is the highest paid player in the league.

On the other hand, an injured superstar hurts FAR more then 1 star out of 3.

Sooo....

Let's say your team won the lottery, would you trade Bedard?

~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, this is what the Lindros trade tree looks like...

How Lindros trade helped Avalanche win two Stanley Cups | NHL Trade Tree

www.sportsnet.ca

1. I think Montreal has enough quality prospects and good to very good young players that should they be lucky enough to land the 1OA they shouldn't pass up the chance to get likely the best prospect since McDavid.

2. The Flyers traded Duchene, Forsberg, Hextall, Huffman, Ricci and Simon along with two first round picks. There's simply no way that happens today in a cap world.

 

[Baksfamous112]

As others said, it is not happening. I do see a few targets though that would make sense to trade Bedard for (at least from a Havs point of view).

1) Makar straight up is an easy yes

2) Seider + 19th would get me to pull the trigger

3) Heinskanen straight up would make me think long and hard.

That’s pretty much it though.

 

[JuJu Mobb]

Arizona wins lottery, trades Bedard for Auston Matthews.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Arizona have the players as well.

Kelller + Cooley + pick #6 2023 could make this trade happen

No it couldn’t lol

 

[I am Canadian]

Oilers are in the position because of awful mismanagement of player personal and cap over the extent of McDavid's career, rather than McDavid not being good enough etc.

 

[kilowatt]

I thought this was about Bedard to LA, so I’ll take a shot:

To ???: Byfield, Kaliyev, Turcotte, Bjornfot, Fagemo, Grans
To LA: Bedard

 

[stevo61]

The GM would need full time body guard service if he traded Bedard. He would also not get approval from his bosses or instantly fired because of all the lost marketing potential

 

[HabsAddict]

As others said, it is not happening. I do see a few targets though that would make sense to trade Bedard for (at least from a Havs point of view).

1) Makar straight up is an easy yes

2) Seider + 19th would get me to pull the trigger

3) Heinskanen straight up would make me think long and hard.

That’s pretty much it though.

I doubt it's one for one. All of those young defenseman are great, but the point is to move into top 10 or contention in one go. For the Habs, even with Dubois, Makar will not make them contenders. Maybe, maybe top 10, but they need more. So would any team that is in the bottom 10.

Let's say Buffalo does it, then it would be Dahlen, Couzins, Tuch. That upgrades the entire line-up in one shot and they are all young. Again, before any Sabre fans lose it, It's a speculation trade.

 

[HabsAddict]

The GM would need full time body guard service if he traded Bedard. He would also not get approval from his bosses or instantly fired because of all the lost marketing potential

Well...we can always change Bedard to Berdeaux...

A cup sell a lot more merchandise then a player.

 

[norrisnick]

If I won the #1OA I'd call up #2 and see what they'd want to chip in to move up. That's the most likely scenario than some other team gutting their young core a la the Flyers for Lindros.

 

[EverTheCynic]

The Lindros trade is the benchmark. First overall generational talent who demanded a trade. You'll never get full value. A team won't gut their entire franchise for a single player, regardless of who he is.

Elite prospect, two 1sts, couple good roster players. Something like that I'd think.