Salary matching on a trade.
Losing Fred loses 22M this way, assuming he's traded. That would allow the Raps to potentially add 20M if they bundled him with Boucher.
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Losing Fred loses 22M this way, assuming he's traded. That would allow the Raps to potentially add 20M if they bundled him with Boucher.
OG for Dejounte Murray and picks, then picks plus Young and Boucher for a SF that makes around OG's money wouldn't be a bad next move
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Even if Atlanta added? I will take your word for it, you are much more knowledgeable about the NBA cap
If they added Gay, Okongwu and one of Griffin/Bey they could do it but that would essentially wipe out their bench.
Salaries have to be within 10 percent in present year and Shakir makes double Murray.
Was terrible at that time and now everyone should be fired. Disgusting job by Masai
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Just seems like MLSE has lost the plot in a couple areas. Masai, Dubas, Bradley SR.
All the Toronto sports teams are becoming reactionary where we were once proactive.
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I feel like all of TO sports teams are regressing and going back to those lonely days of terrible management, it takes years to recover.
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Not loving it. I missed all the excitement of the 2015 to 2020 ish era. All the MLSE teams were on the rise and the Jays had their moments.
Was such a good time to be alive.
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That's actually the NHL.
When you watch an NHL game, you're watching the best athletes that come from financially well-off families. It's not as simple as who is the best, it's who is the best that comes from a rich family. The NHL has probably missed out on a handful of generational talents that have gone onto other sports just because of the barrier to play.
There is literally a barrier to entry in that sport that doesn't exist in other sports. Probably why NHL personalities are so bland, their athletes had a different upbringing than a majority of the fans that follow them and their team.
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What I meant was that these contracts are creating a bigger divide between fans and players. NBA players don't actually have to work for their money anymore. These TV contracts are making it so journeymen who can manage to stay on a roster for 6-10 years ends their career with 50 million in the bank. It's ridiculous.
Many players in the NHL are not from well off families. Many come from hard working families where those families make a lot a sacrifices in order to allow their kids to play. In order to play hockey there are many more variables that contribute to why it is expensive to play. If every football player in North America had to buy their own equipment the same argument could be made. If Hockey was the American pastime that Football is you would see every kid getting access to play.
I have confidence that Masai and Bobby can get the Raptors back on track now that they have been forced to change direction.
For whatever reason they got too attached to this core. Now FVV is gone, which forces change. They have OG and Pascal coming up for extensions and I can't believe that they will take the same risks there. Losing either guy for nothing would be even more painful and embarrassing. You've also had noise about OG not being entirely happy for a full year now.
They might still say they believe in the team and they believe they can compete - but what else are they going to say at this point? It's possible they move OG or Pascal this summer. If they don't, then we go into the season and it either works, or come the trade deadline they make the type of moves that should have happened last season (for likely lesser returns).
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As VanVleet walks away from Raptors, only time will tell how big of a hole he leaves
The now very handsomely paid Houston Rocket will forever be a Raptor. In seven seasons he became woven into the franchise’s lore as much as Vince Carter, Chris Bosh, or Kyle Lowry.
It’s a massive payday for a player who will earn almost as much on a per-game basis ($525,000) as he did for his entire rookie season ($540,000).
In a way, you could see it coming. Unfortunately, Raptors president Masai Ujiri and general manager Bobby Webster might have seen the full picture too late to do anything about it.
From the moment VanVleet turned pro and adopted his famous ‘bet on yourself’ mantra, he was all passion on the floor and all business off of it. He hit free agency two other times in his career in Toronto and was eager to test the market each time, loyalty aside.
In each case the Raptors made the best offer and were able to keep him.
This time around things seemed more uncertain. The Raptors were hesitant to pay more than $90 million for three years for VanVleet — “they had a glass ceiling they didn’t want to go above,” said one source close to the situation. They wanted VanVleet back but were cognisant that he had played a massive minutes load the past two seasons and has had some injury challenges to show for it, missing 30 games over the past two years.
Last season VanVleet shot 39 per cent from the floor and 34 per cent from three — both career lows since becoming a regular in the rotation — as a follow-up to his all-star season a year ago. He slumped badly in the second half of 2021-22 and it carried forward through the first half of 2022-23, though his ability to cause turnovers and take care of the ball when he had it never wavered. His competitive spirit was equally resolute.
Still, going beyond three years seemed risky, especially considering the other contract commitments Toronto could be facing at that point while under a more restrictive collective bargaining agreement. Going beyond $30 million annually would have created problems when it came to allocating resources elsewhere, including signing Poeltl, who the Raptors had traded a lightly protected first-round pick for at the trade deadline in February.
That became a problem when the Rockets emerged as a wild card in the process. Even armed with $60 million in cap space, they didn’t seem a threat as long as it looked like they were going to reunite with James Harden. The Raptors — and the rest of the NBA — were sure that was a done deal until recent weeks. When that unravelled — Harden opted into the last year of his deal with Philadelphia and demanded a trade Thursday — Houston turned to the next best veteran point guard on the market and made clear they were going to make a run at VanVleet.
Per sources, by the time the Raptors met with VanVleet in Los Angeles at the opening of the free agency period, Toronto had decided to add another year to their offer, bringing it to $120 million over four years to counter the reported two-year deal worth $83 million Houston was ready to make.
There was a long pause at that point with no news coming out for nearly three hours — an eternity in the opening stages of free agency when deals get announced like popcorn on high heat.
It eventually became apparent why: The Rockets added a third year, bringing their total to $130 million over three years and the Raptors chose not to match.
Fred VanVleet went from icon to former Raptor that quickly.
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Heat don't have much to offer
Lowry or Herro, Duncan Robinson & Nikola Jovic plus picks is the best they can do.
That's not a package to get you a Dame type player.
