Raptors Discussion: v97 Raptor's 2024-2025 - Training camp begins Oct. 1

[Suntouchable13]

NBA is a talent driven league. Best coach in the world will be limited by his team's half court offense.

Not sure what Masai and Bobby are thinking. Did they think that Nurse was the biggest problem last season and they want to just run it back with a new coach and get back to their 2021-2022 form? Not sure. I just know that team is not a championship contender. What is their plan?

 

[Bjindaho]

Not sure what Masai and Bobby are thinking. Did they think that Nurse was the biggest problem last season and they want to just run it back with a new coach and get back to their 2021-2022 form? Not sure. I just know that team is not a championship contender. What is their plan?

The run back theory would be that you bring back as many bodies as possible to remain a playoff team, then develop younger players towards the goal of getting better overall.

Essentially, you would create systems that maximize Barnes and this year's pick, while at the same time actively trying to develop a decent bench.

The goal is not to win this year (because there is no version of this roster where actively going big makes sense, but rather to build up (the NBA is the kind of league where development is key and the previous system had allowed Toronto to have one of the best benches in the NBA).

 

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[Emerica]

Memphis making sure they stay the most dislikable team after losing Dillon Brooks but trading for Smart.

 

[hockeywiz542]

2023 NBA Draft: How the Memphis-Boston-Washington deal shifted the trade market

A number of teams are still exploring how to improve and how to maneuver in Thursday night’s draft.

sports.yahoo.com

Atlanta has also maintained a pursuit of Raptors forward Pascal Siakam, according to league sources. The Hawks’ have attempted several creative packages to land the All-NBA talent from Toronto, including at least one three-team scenario. Opposing front offices still believe the Raptors’ high valuation of their players, such as Siakam and OG Anunoby, marks the biggest roadblock to any potential trade of either Raptor. Toronto also stands as one of several teams in the middle of the first round that could trade up or down in Thursday night’s draft order. Every year, teams consider maneuvering in both directions of the draft board, but this June seems to have an inordinate number of front offices preparing to move in either direction, depending on how the picks unfold. Toronto, for example, has held discussions with Orlando to jump from No. 13 to No. 11, sources said, while the Raptors have also called teams like Golden State at No. 19 and Brooklyn with picks Nos. 21 and 22 about sliding down the board.

• Put the Lakers in a similar category of trade variance. Los Angeles has held discussions about moving up into the lottery, with some rival personnel believing the target is Michigan guard Kobe Bufkin. The Lakers have also had preliminary conversations with several teams about trading No. 17 plus the salary of Malik Beasley and/or Mo Bamba in exchange for veteran talent and perhaps a later draft selection. A few names to keep an eye on: Toronto guard Gary Trent Jr., Pacers guard Buddy Hield and Brooklyn swingman Dorian Finney-Smith, sources said.

 

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[Bjindaho]

2023 NBA Draft: How the Memphis-Boston-Washington deal shifted the trade market

A number of teams are still exploring how to improve and how to maneuver in Thursday night’s draft.

sports.yahoo.com

Atlanta has also maintained a pursuit of Raptors forward Pascal Siakam, according to league sources. The Hawks’ have attempted several creative packages to land the All-NBA talent from Toronto, including at least one three-team scenario. Opposing front offices still believe the Raptors’ high valuation of their players, such as Siakam and OG Anunoby, marks the biggest roadblock to any potential trade of either Raptor. Toronto also stands as one of several teams in the middle of the first round that could trade up or down in Thursday night’s draft order. Every year, teams consider maneuvering in both directions of the draft board, but this June seems to have an inordinate number of front offices preparing to move in either direction, depending on how the picks unfold. Toronto, for example, has held discussions with Orlando to jump from No. 13 to No. 11, sources said, while the Raptors have also called teams like Golden State at No. 19 and Brooklyn with picks Nos. 21 and 22 about sliding down the board.

• Put the Lakers in a similar category of trade variance. Los Angeles has held discussions about moving up into the lottery, with some rival personnel believing the target is Michigan guard Kobe Bufkin. The Lakers have also had preliminary conversations with several teams about trading No. 17 plus the salary of Malik Beasley and/or Mo Bamba in exchange for veteran talent and perhaps a later draft selection. A few names to keep an eye on: Toronto guard Gary Trent Jr., Pacers guard Buddy Hield and Brooklyn swingman Dorian Finney-Smith, sources said.

From the same article:
For all the mounting noise about Paul George’s trade candidacy in Los Angeles, don’t expect the Clippers to part with the eight-time All-Star. Portland has indeed registered interest in creating a package around the No. 3 pick for George, sources said, but those talks did not gain any traction with Los Angeles. There has certainly been talk of New York’s interest in acquiring George should the Clippers truly make him available, but Los Angeles has the intention to continue bolstering its roster around George and Kawhi Leonard — as evidenced by the team’s attempt to bring Brogdon into the fold.

This is strange to me. Reports suggested that Portland wouldn't consider 3 for OG, but they will trade it plus for George? (OG is 8 years younger, coming off the better season of the two, and makes 25M less).

 

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[trellaine201]

Pretty boring TO teams. No changes. Same teams going into next year.

 

[trellaine201]

Grange sounds so depressing this morning.

 

[Bjindaho]

Report: Washington Wizards trade Chris Paul to Golden State Warriors for Jordan Poole | TSN

The Washington Wizards have agreed to trade Chris Paul to the Golden State Warriors for a package that includes Jordan Poole and future draft assets, ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reports.

www.tsn.ca

 

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[saska sault]

Today is going to be bonkers, I hope. Seems like the amount of smoke should bring some fire.. let's hope the Raps are in on it. Lots of players with uncertain futures I wouldn't mind taking a chance on.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I am hoping for scoot henderson who knows....i hope we do the rebuild like Nem pointed out.

 

[Habsfan18]

The worst position to be in as a team in any sport, is that of not having a proper direction. Mediocrity is f***ing awful. I’d rather be really good and among the top 10 teams, and a legit contender with a roster that actually gives us confidence that they’ll be in the mix…or pretty bad and be under a clear rebuilding direction where we have the next wave of talent to look forward to with a strong future outlook.

Running it back with pretty much the same roster…is there ANY Raptors fan that is actually excited by the prospect? New coach or not. Does anyone believe this roster has what it takes?

 

[saska sault]

The worst position to be in as a team in any sport, is that of not having a proper dir ection. Mediocrity is f***ing awful. I’d rather be really good and among the top 10 teams, and a legit contender with a roster that actually gives us confidence that they’ll be in the mix…or pretty bad and be under a clear rebuilding direction where we have the next wave of talent to look forward to with a strong future outlook.

Running it back with pretty much the same roster…is there ANY Raptors fan that is actually excited by the prospect? New coach or not. Does anyone believe this roster has what it takes?

Long off-season still... there will be moves. But if not, making moves for the sake of it isn't a better option. Need to get value for guys or its pointless, holding them until the trade deadline is a better option over giving them up for pennies on the dollar.

 

[Bjindaho]

The worst position to be in as a team in any sport, is that of not having a proper direction. Mediocrity is f***ing awful. I’d rather be really good and among the top 10 teams, and a legit contender with a roster that actually gives us confidence that they’ll be in the mix…or pretty bad and be under a clear rebuilding direction where we have the next wave of talent to look forward to with a strong future outlook.

Running it back with pretty much the same roster…is there ANY Raptors fan that is actually excited by the prospect? New coach or not. Does anyone believe this roster has what it takes?

I think you are overestimating how much of a rebuild is possible.

If Toronto goes below the cap, players WILL NOT sign here (see: having to sign Carroll to a bad deal to get back above). Houston is one of the few teams who can clear money and have confidence that players will still sign.

On top of that, trades require that Toronto take back money which will either be significantly worse than our current situation financially and/or we'll get limited assets like late 1sts in return.

We are hoping that Portland/Charlotte/Atlanta offers big, but there's a real chance that Portland's best offer is 23, another late 1st and some bad contracts.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

The worst position to be in as a team in any sport, is that of not having a proper direction. Mediocrity is f***ing awful. I’d rather be really good and among the top 10 teams, and a legit contender with a roster that actually gives us confidence that they’ll be in the mix…or pretty bad and be under a clear rebuilding direction where we have the next wave of talent to look forward to with a strong future outlook.

I agree with this 100%. We need to pick a lane.

 

[thewave]

I agree with this 100%. We need to pick a lane.

Guess we are going to be a treadmill team for a decade.

 

[Emerica]

Today is going to be bonkers, I hope. Seems like the amount of smoke should bring some fire.. let's hope the Raps are in on it. Lots of players with uncertain futures I wouldn't mind taking a chance on.

I will be absolutely shocked if anything major happens with the Raptors, tonight and the rest of the offseason tbh. I would be pleasantly surprised because i’m team blow it up but I just don’t see it happening. Siakam and VanVleet are Masai’s sons.

 

[Bjindaho]

Guess we are going to be a treadmill team for a decade.

We won with a team mostly built with castaways.

Development matters a lot in the NBA. The entire Nurse era was built with consistency and development (and some opportunistic trades). The issue is that Nurse ground the development aspect to a halt.

Scottie Barnes still has Kawhi potential with some development and an offense that plays to his strengths instead of his weaknesses.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Bufkin or Cason Wallace at 13, and I’m happy. I would prefer a trade up, but I know we’re just gonna sit on our hands