Raptors Discussion: v97 Raptor's 2024-2025 - Training camp begins Oct. 1

Keep or Trade - Siakam

  • Trade

    Votes: 63 90.0%
  • Re-Sign

    Votes: 7 10.0%

  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .

LaPlante94

Registered User
Apr 12, 2011
7,133
3,476
Do we really want to trade OG? He's gonna be 26 when next season starts and him and Barnes are the 2 perfect guys to build around. Move Siakim to to get us a starting PG whether that be a top pick in this draft or go all out to try and get Shai from OKC if that's even possible. Those 3 and then bring back Poeltl who fits what we'll want to do on offence with a big man who can pass the ball and we're good to go. We got quite a few good depth players already who I think will thrive under Darko unlike Nurse.
 

Suntouchable13

Registered User
Dec 20, 2003
44,652
20,906
Toronto, ON
Do we really want to trade OG? He's gonna be 26 when next season starts and him and Barnes are the 2 perfect guys to build around. Move Siakim to to get us a starting PG whether that be a top pick in this draft or go all out to try and get Shai from OKC if that's even possible. Those 3 and then bring back Poeltl who fits what we'll want to do on offence with a big man who can pass the ball and we're good to go. We got quite a few good depth players already who I think will thrive under Darko unlike Nurse.

I think that is closer to what Masai is thinking.
 
  • Like
Reactions: hockeywiz542

LaPlante94

Registered User
Apr 12, 2011
7,133
3,476
I think that is closer to what Masai is thinking.
Yeah I think he said we aren't doing a rebuild and just a retool and I think that's all we need to do. Barnes and OG are both guys that allow us to do so much with our lineup especially if we play small ball because they can both guard the 1-5 which allows you do so much with the lineup. Siakim should be able to get us that missing piece and VanVleet possibly getting us another depth player in a sign and trade.
 

thewave

Registered User
Jun 17, 2011
42,209
12,672
Yeah I think he said we aren't doing a rebuild and just a retool and I think that's all we need to do. Barnes and OG are both guys that allow us to do so much with our lineup especially if we play small ball because they can both guard the 1-5 which allows you do so much with the lineup. Siakim should be able to get us that missing piece and VanVleet possibly getting us another depth player in a sign and trade.

So who is in and who is out as far as you are concerned? Who are we getting something back for?
 

hockeywiz542

Registered User
May 26, 2008
16,220
5,289

2023 Draft Workouts
AMD
PLAYER
POS
YR
TEAM
TORONTO
10
Gradey Dick
SF
Fr
Kansas
12
Cason Wallace
PG
Fr
Kentucky
17
Jordan Hawkins
SF
So
UConn
19
Leonard Miller
SF
2004
G League Ignite
20
Jett Howard
SG
Fr
Michigan
25
Maxwell Lewis
SF
So
Pepperdine
26
Brandin Podziemski
SG
So
Santa Clara
66
Charles Bediako
C
So
Alabama
NR
Kamaka Hepa
SF
Sr
Hawaii
NR
Isaiah Miranda
C
Fr
North Carolina St
NR
Markquis Nowell
PG
Sr
Kansas St
NR
Malachi Smith
SG
Jr
Gonzaga
NR
DeAndre Williams
PF
Sr
Memphis
 

CabanaBoy5

Registered User
Feb 17, 2013
3,754
4,331
Woodbridge
So who is in and who is out as far as you are concerned? Who are we getting something back for?
I'd say Siakam, Trent Jr., VanVleet, Malachi, and Achiuwa should all be on the move. Obviously aren't going to get much for anyone other than Siakam. Remember, Masai was very upset with how lifeless and spiritless this team was most nights last season. You can't just move on from one or two of them and fix that.
 

hockeywiz542

Registered User
May 26, 2008
16,220
5,289

There may not be many realistic and attractive alternatives to re-signing Russell. It’s unclear what, if anything, he would net them on the sign-and-trade front. The theoretical alternatives range from unrealistic (Irving, VanVleet) to even more unrealistic (Young, Lillard).

Acquiring Irving or VanVleet would almost certainly require a sign-and-trade, which would hard cap the Lakers at $169.0 million. The Lakers can create roughly $30million to $35 million in cap space, but it would cost them multiple rotation players, likely including Hachimura.
Even then, Irving and VanVleet may want more than the $35 million the Lakers can offer – Irving’s maximum contract would start at about $47 million and VanVleet’s max begins at $40.2 million. Young and Lillard have been discussed internally but appear nothing more than a pipe dream given the current asking prices for stars on the trade market.

That leaves Paul as the most realistic potential upgrade at point guard. If Paul is waived or stretched by the Suns, the Lakers would have a strong interest in signing him, according to multiple team sources not authorized to speak publicly.

The Athletic reported the Suns were working with Paul through a number of options for next season, including a trade or a release. He is slated to make $30.8 million next season, but only $15.8 million of that is guaranteed if he is waived before June 28.


Given that Paul’s next contract would offset the amount he’s guaranteed for this season, him signing for anything more than the veteran’s minimum doesn’t really make sense, as it would only hinder his new team. The Lakers could then sign Paul to a veteran’s minimum contract, retaining access to other salary-cap exceptions to use on other players to bolster their depth.

Paul is coming off a season in which he averaged 13.9 points per game (on a 55.5 true shooting percentage), 4.3 rebounds, 8.9 assists and 1.5 steals. He’s far from the player he was even a few years ago, but he remains a quality starter as a plus shooter and passer. His biggest issue, as has been the case for several years, is durability. He has suffered an injury in three straight postseasons and six of his nine trips to the playoffs, indicating the Lakers would likely have to manage his workload throughout the 2023-24 season.

If the Lakers replace Russell with Paul on a minimum contract, they’d be able to easily retain Reaves and Hachimura and have the option to use their non-taxpayer midlevel exception (worth approximately $12.5 million annually) on Schröder, another player, or both. Another option the Lakers have discussed is signing Paul and retaining Russell to further solidify their point guard position, according to those team sources. Paul would be the favorite to start in that scenario.

Head-to-head, Paul vs. Russell was never a conversation until last season, and Paul still rates out better in virtually every advanced metric. He’s the better midrange shooter, passer, rebounder and more of a defensive playmaker. That said, Russell is younger, nearly matched Paul as a midrange shooter this past season and is the better 3-point shooter both by percentage and volume. Russell’s 6-foot-10 wingspan also allows him to defend bigger players and add length to the Lakers’ scheme in a way that the 38-year-old Paul never could.
 

LaPlante94

Registered User
Apr 12, 2011
7,133
3,476
So who is in and who is out as far as you are concerned? Who are we getting something back for?
VanVleet is the obvious one out, Trent Jr probably out as well but he's only 24 and can shoot so maybe Darko works with him. Idk who would come in but I can see Banton benefitting with Darko here. Our team was one of the better defenses in the league but our offense wasn't. Darko ran a top 10 offence in Memphis and outside or Morant I wouldn't say they have better players then we do so I have faith he can get our offence clicking and actually have structure to go with our already good defence.
 
  • Like
Reactions: hockeywiz542

thewave

Registered User
Jun 17, 2011
42,209
12,672
Does he put that 3 billion down on red or black?

He is a smart gambler though. He'll wait until the recession coming this fall or next year and the housing market correction/commercial realty correction and buy it up pennies on the dollar. Jordan is pretty smart.
 
  • Like
Reactions: hockeywiz542

saska sault

Registered User
Jun 5, 2010
4,427
3,666
Sault Ste. Marie
Do we really want to trade OG? He's gonna be 26 when next season starts and him and Barnes are the 2 perfect guys to build around. Move Siakim to to get us a starting PG whether that be a top pick in this draft or go all out to try and get Shai from OKC if that's even possible. Those 3 and then bring back Poeltl who fits what we'll want to do on offence with a big man who can pass the ball and we're good to go. We got quite a few good depth players already who I think will thrive under Darko unlike Nurse.

Shai costs us Barnes, OG and every draft pick we can move within the CBA, if not more. He is a home grown superstar in OKC and they are building around him as the center piece. I would love Shai, Murray, Wiggins, Dort.. all the Canadians but most are not logical options. Shai especially, he just averaged 32, 5, 5, and 1.5 and is signed for multiple years. Think Durant trade and more.



If Brandon Ingram is the ask.. we could move a combination of players. OG is a better defender, Siakim is close to BI's level but maybe a touch below.. #2,3,4 have huge potential in this draft if there ever was a way to move up. Miller, Henderson and Thompson are that good/have that potential.
 
  • Like
Reactions: hockeywiz542

hockeywiz542

Registered User
May 26, 2008
16,220
5,289

One player believed to be on the Hawks’ radar of potential trade targets is Raptors forward Pascal Siakam, sources said, and Toronto marks another team front offices are closely monitoring for trade activity. Similar to the team’s position leading up to the trade deadline, the Raptors are said to still be deliberating various pathways to proceed with their roster. One North Star remains clear for the Raptors: The franchise views Scottie Barnes as the future engine of this offense under new head coach Darko Rajaković, sources said. From there, Toronto has to weigh decisions on Pascal Siakam, Fred VanVleet, OG Anunoby and Gary Trent Jr.

The Raptors have been repeatedly mentioned by league executives as one of the teams, in addition to New Orleans, Houston and Washington, that will continue attempting to move into the top three as the draft approaches. Toronto has also contacted Houston about the No. 4 pick, sources said.

To make a deal with Houston or Portland — the Blazers and Raptors have discussed both Siakam and Anunoby in the past, sources said — there’s some relevant context at play.
With Siakam, any team acquiring the All-NBA talent would have to consider Siakam becoming eligible for a lucrative extension this summer, entering the final year of a $37.8 million contract. Anunoby has been a target of Portland’s for some time, although the Raptors have told rival teams they declined the Blazers’ efforts to swap the No. 7 pick in last June’s draft for Anunoby.

The Indiana product remains a buzzy trade name entering this offseason after the Raptors elicited various offers for Anunoby in February. According to multiple sources, the Raptors forward is very much welcome to remaining in Toronto if he’s able to obtain a larger role in the offense moving forward.

If VanVleet and Siakam are both back with the Raptors flanking Barnes, then that scenario could make Anunoby one of the most coveted players on the trade market. Sacramento has been increasingly mentioned by league figures as an Anunoby suitor, while the Kings consider the future of free-agent forward Harrison Barnes. Toronto, though, is expected to hold significant asking prices for both Anunoby and Siakam, as has been the Raptors’ practice.

There indeed remains the possibility that VanVleet will rejoin the Raptors after declining his player option to reach unrestricted free agency. Early indications are that any team hoping to land VanVleet’s services is going to have to surpass three years, $90 million. While Trent still considers what to do with his own player option, the Raptors guard is expected to command at least $20 million in average annual value, sources said.
 

thewave

Registered User
Jun 17, 2011
42,209
12,672

One player believed to be on the Hawks’ radar of potential trade targets is Raptors forward Pascal Siakam, sources said, and Toronto marks another team front offices are closely monitoring for trade activity. Similar to the team’s position leading up to the trade deadline, the Raptors are said to still be deliberating various pathways to proceed with their roster. One North Star remains clear for the Raptors: The franchise views Scottie Barnes as the future engine of this offense under new head coach Darko Rajaković, sources said. From there, Toronto has to weigh decisions on Pascal Siakam, Fred VanVleet, OG Anunoby and Gary Trent Jr.

The Raptors have been repeatedly mentioned by league executives as one of the teams, in addition to New Orleans, Houston and Washington, that will continue attempting to move into the top three as the draft approaches. Toronto has also contacted Houston about the No. 4 pick, sources said.

To make a deal with Houston or Portland — the Blazers and Raptors have discussed both Siakam and Anunoby in the past, sources said — there’s some relevant context at play.
With Siakam, any team acquiring the All-NBA talent would have to consider Siakam becoming eligible for a lucrative extension this summer, entering the final year of a $37.8 million contract. Anunoby has been a target of Portland’s for some time, although the Raptors have told rival teams they declined the Blazers’ efforts to swap the No. 7 pick in last June’s draft for Anunoby.

The Indiana product remains a buzzy trade name entering this offseason after the Raptors elicited various offers for Anunoby in February. According to multiple sources, the Raptors forward is very much welcome to remaining in Toronto if he’s able to obtain a larger role in the offense moving forward.

If VanVleet and Siakam are both back with the Raptors flanking Barnes, then that scenario could make Anunoby one of the most coveted players on the trade market. Sacramento has been increasingly mentioned by league figures as an Anunoby suitor, while the Kings consider the future of free-agent forward Harrison Barnes. Toronto, though, is expected to hold significant asking prices for both Anunoby and Siakam, as has been the Raptors’ practice.

There indeed remains the possibility that VanVleet will rejoin the Raptors after declining his player option to reach unrestricted free agency. Early indications are that any team hoping to land VanVleet’s services is going to have to surpass three years, $90 million. While Trent still considers what to do with his own player option, the Raptors guard is expected to command at least $20 million in average annual value, sources said.

They really need to capitalize on those assets. Let the Championship stay in the past and focus on creating a new vision.

Its simply time to move on and forward
 
  • Like
Reactions: hockeywiz542

hockeywiz542

Registered User
May 26, 2008
16,220
5,289

Hey, Doug. The new coach looks like he has some serious basketball DNA and a really good idea of what he wants to do and how to do it.

Keep hearing no assistants from last year are under contract for this coming year. That include Jamaal Magloire?

Sure sounded like Masai Ujiri wants a fresh start and smelling like some big moves this summer. He has said he feels this draft is really deep. There seems to be a lot of chatter about Portland & Pascal Siakam — Raptors could get a haul including No. 3 pick. My thinking is, you do that to pick Scoot Henderson and not another six-foot-nine guy. Any idea on targets?

Looking forward to your work this week leading up to the draft.

Always a pleasure.

Enio from Richmond Hill

Jamaal’s not going to be involved on the basketball side of the organization, but he’s got valuable and important ties to the community they would like to use. The precise nature is still being discussed.

I think 27 teams are likely to call Charlotte and Portland about picks two and three. And that’s just basic due diligence. Is there a Raptors fit that’s better than any other offer? I’d be surprised. But I’ve been surprised before.

I think O.G. is such a talented player who can fit into any team with pretty much any style. He is someone that everyone wants on their team and so hard to come by. Why would the Raptors ever want to trade him (assuming he wants to stay)? IMHO, O.G. is a keeper for this team. Just curious about your thoughts.


Frank.

If they trade O.G. Anunoby they are going to spend years and years and years and years trying to find him again. Makes zero sense to me.
 

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad