Raptors Discussion: v97 Raptor's 2024-2025 - Training camp begins Oct. 1

Keep or Trade - Siakam

  • Trade

    Votes: 63 90.0%
  • Re-Sign

    Votes: 7 10.0%

  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .

hockeywiz542

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On May 13 of this year, more than 19,000 basketball lovers packed Scotiabank Arena in downtown Toronto for a pre-season game between the WNBA’s Minnesota Lynx and Chicago Sky. From the first whistle to the final layup, by Chicago forward Kahleah Copper, the sellout crowd chanted, cheered and waved signs all designed to deliver one message: Canada is ready for its own women’s professional basketball team.

What those fans didn’t know is that by the time the Sky’s Alanna Smith won the jump ball to start the game that day, Toronto’s WNBA dream was already dead. Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment (MLSE), the corporate partnership that owns the Toronto Raptors, the Toronto Maple Leafs and five other men’s professional sports teams in the Toronto area, had decided months earlier not to bid on a WNBA expansion team this year, the Toronto Star has learned.

That decision — which shut Toronto out from the booming women’s sports industry at a time of unprecedented growth — came at a contentious board meeting that split representatives from the three companies that control MLSE, sources told the Star. “It was (Rogers CEO) Tony (Staffieri) and (Rogers chair) Edward (Rogers) against, everyone else for,” said a source familiar with the discussion, who, along with other sources quoted in this story, was granted anonymity to speak frankly about confidential board matters.

The opposition from Rogers and Staffieri came despite an internal MLSE business case, presented to the board, that multiple sources say projected a potential path to profitability for the franchise (after several years of losses) and in the face of passionate support for the idea from some senior figures within the organization. It also flew in the face of external research suggesting the market for professional women’s sports in Canada is massively underserved.


“This is definitely a conversation about building something. It’s a conversation about growth,” said Allison Sandmeyer-Graves, the CEO of Canadian Women & Sport. “The benefits flowing to those that have invested are real.”

There is no guarantee professional women’s basketball would have worked as a business in Toronto. Even if MLSE had won the rights to a new franchise, the team would have faced multiple structural barriers to success, including the fact that WNBA games are played indoors in the middle of summer, a tough sell in the crowded Toronto sports and entertainment marketplace.

A second source familiar with the board debate, meanwhile, said the preliminary estimates they saw “showed there wasn’t a business case to warrant participating in a bid process.”

“The numbers didn’t even address the gulf in salaries paid to male and female athletes, and there was a clear view that this inequity needed to be addressed by anyone looking to purchase the asset,” the source said.


But some WNBA backers believe that if MLSE was going to jump into the women’s sports market, now was the time to do it. The upfront investment would have been relatively small: a $50-million (U.S.) expansion fee against MLSE’s estimated $8-billion valuation. And the rewards were potentially huge.

Toronto would immediately become the WNBA’s fourth- or fifth-largest market (depending on how you measure the Chicago area), with a population far larger and with far more spending power than current WNBA cities such as Indianapolis, Indiana and Uncasville, Conn.

The market for professional women’s sport in this country is already valued at between $150 million to $200 million, according to a 2023 Boston Consulting Group report put out by Canadian Women & Sport. What’s more, that market is “significantly underdeveloped,” the report said, with fan appetite far outstripping the available offerings.
 

1specter

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This team may not be so bad after all. They just had their most complete game of the season on the road against a top Western team. Neutralized Doncic with excellent defense.

Barnes is also looking like a beast, it's amazing how strong he already is. Straight up bullying guys right now
 

LaPlante94

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Teams record shouldn't be what it is tbh. Should've won that Chicago game but some dumb plays and a few bad calls. Shouldn't of lost that Blazers game and we've been unlucky getting the 76ers 2 times now on the 2nd game of a back to back.
 

Gary Nylund

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This team has a new feel to it. Actually exciting watching this team. Barnes my goodness he's good
Barnes taking a big step forward is huge. Anunoby seems to get a bit better every year, Poetl is a good player and Schroder was a fantastic add. Starting five looks damn good, and the bench isn't too shabby either.

Big win tonight, things are looking up!
 

fancy lad

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I keep flip flopping on where i stand on this team, but ultimately does it even matter? I just want to enjoy watching basketball and they did thatl last night. They're a work in progress and early signs are actually pretty good. I like the way Darko is using the whole roster. Shroder is a total gamer. They guy is better at point guarding than fred vanvleet ever was. If Pascal can play like he did yesterday then they can compete with just about anyone.

Also the guy that i have really come around to is Malachi Flynn. There's a certain edge and to his energy and on the court demeanor. It's cool to see and great that we a have a new coach who can tap into young players' potential.
 

JetsWillFly4Ever

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Scottie f***ing B baby, guy is making the superstar leap in real time.

OG is the perfect championship player, lockdown D and the ability to hit the open 3.

I have loved Siakam for a long time, and he is still a really good player even with his slow start, but I think he is the big piece that moves at some point. We need a better shooter/shot creator.

Team has been fun to watch, should be interesting to see where they go. Darko has really changed up offensive schemes and Schroder has added an element we were missing.
 

hockeywiz542

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By Keith Pompey

Published on Nov. 11, 2023, 10:37 p.m. ET

Kelly Oubre Jr. has sustained broken ribs and bruises and lacerations from Saturday night’s hit-and-run car accident in Center City, sources confirm.

The 76ers forward was treated and released from Jefferson Hospital after the incident. A team spokesman confirmed that Oubre received treatment a hospital. Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey and other team representatives were with him at the hospital.




Channel 6abc reported that Oubre was struck at approximately 7 p.m. at Broad and Locust Streets and walked to Spruce and Hicks Streets, where he was found by medics and taken to Jefferson. A silver vehicle fled the scene after the collision, according to the television station. Sources told The Inquirer that police are looking for a driver.

Oubre, who was struck while walking near his residence, is expected to miss considerable time. However, his injury does not appear to be life-threatening or season-ending.
 
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Bjindaho

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Pascal getting going has coincided with hard basketball to watch. The more he moves, the less Scottie gets the ball and the less high percentage shots for people not named Siakam and Poetl.

There needs to be a happy medium.
 

Bjindaho

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Positive: Pascal took a lot of high percentage shots tonight

Negative: Pascal created a lot of low percentage opportunities for teammates, turned the ball over 6 times and played terrible D.
 

fancy lad

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Wtf. How did they pull that one out? I gave up on them in the first half and turned to Netflix K dramas instead.

I kind of regret it now despite the very entertaining episode of Vincenzo.
 

Bjindaho

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"Masterclass"

The correct answer is that Darko changed the defense to hide Pascal defensively and that Pascal took a lot of high percentage shots. If that were, say, Boucher, then Toronto would have actually tried to play Darko's system. At this point, the last 2 games have looked an awful lot like Pascal giving Darko's system the finger.

Before anyone reads a lot into Lewenburg's tweet, realize that Pascal was officially 15 of 20 on 2s (almost all layups), but was realistically something like 15 of 27 with a ton of bailout calls made by the ref that don't happen if Kuzma was guarding him all game or if the other team isn't Washington.

Nothing about what Siakam did is sustainable on its own, but it also goes directly against the type of team that the Raptors want to be.

Looking at the boxscore, that was the best game of the year for Boucher, Achiuwa, and Dick, and a positive (albeit worst game of his last 5) for Flynn. For the starters, that was Schroeder's worst game by a country mile, Poetl was good but not great, it was obviously Pascal's "best" game, Otto was okay in 14 minutes, and Scottie had moments where it looked like he completely checked out of the game (like last year).

I cringed every time Pascal was leading the fastbreak because he kept making bad decisions. The Raptors scored 23 points off 22 turnovers and 22 fastbreak points (they were outscored off of turnovers and barely won fastbreak points, when this is literally the strongest part of the team's game most nights).
 
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