Apparently from certain twitter people, OG+Dick would be a framework, other assets like picks+ salary cap fillers would need a 3rd team. Phoenix has been mentioned, Utah is a possible 3rd team. Apparently Raptors are willing to do it but they want some clearance from Dame’s camp
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You’re looking at possible line-up of Dame/Siakam/GTJ/Barnes/Poetl. Yeah sign me up for that I don’t give a F. Beats the hell out of what we’ve had since the championship. Dame can actually shoot and can create his own shot which is something this team badly needs. He would space the floor out so much better. Also he just averaged 32 points a game at 32-33 years old. Dude is a closer, what has this team lacked? A closer! Watching FVV chuck shots up like he’s Jordan cost us so many games
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Marc Spears on ESPN said he talked to 2 league executives and they told him Toronto is the front runner for Dame. Says there’s a very good chance he’s traded before Friday.. Miami still in it but they really don’t have a package that Portland likes. For me personally OG fits Portland to a T he’s still only 25, they’ll be able to pay him, he’s defensive all NBA. And he fits the age group of their young talent. I really think this happens if Lillard gives the ok
He adds Masai isn’t scared about doing deals like this, he says it’s very quiet from Miami, not hearing much from them. Teams like Chicago, Milwaukee, Philly have talked to Portland but right now Toronto is the hottest name
He adds Masai isn’t scared about doing deals like this, he says it’s very quiet from Miami, not hearing much from them. Teams like Chicago, Milwaukee, Philly have talked to Portland but right now Toronto is the hottest name
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Trading OG in a Dame deal makes no sense. He's our best defender and arguably our best distance shooter. We'd have zero spacing with a Barnes, Siakam, Poeltl front court. Move Siakam for assets and flip those, plus picks, and GD for Dame.
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IMO trading Siakim in this deal makes less sense than dealing OG.
Both OG and Scottie Barnes work best at the SF spot but we don't have anybody that can do what Siakim can do at PF hell we dont even have a fake it til you make it PF option to start at PF.
Spears also said that Lillard WILL show up and he WILL play for Toronto if he is traded there.
Dame has reached the acceptance part of the grieving process. A deal must be close.
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How does Barnes fit best in the SF spot? He can't shoot! He's clearly a PF offensively and his defensive metrics show he's best when he's guarding bigs rather than wings or guards. His skillset also overlaps with Pascal's way more than they do with OG, so he's the logical replacement for Pascal.IMO trading Siakim in this deal makes less sense than dealing OG.
Both OG and Scottie Barnes work best at the SF spot but we don't have anybody that can do what Siakim can do at PF hell we dont even have a fake it til you make it PF option to start at PF.
Spears also said that Lillard WILL show up and he WILL play for Toronto if he is traded there.
Dame has reached the acceptance part of the grieving process. A deal must be close.
Realistically, if you're trying to win-now, trading Barnes makes the most sense because Pascal is presently the better player, but that trade is not happening for many reasons (including Barnes' cap hit). Playing him and Siakam together gives us zero spacing unless one of them magically becomes a good shooter. Without that happening one of the two has to go in this trade.
Sources: Raptors current front-runners for Lillard
The Raptors enter the week as the front-runners to trade for Blazers star Damian Lillard, two high-ranking NBA team executives told ESPN Andscape's Marc J. Spears. Lillard has said his preference is a Miami trade.
The Toronto Raptors enter the week as the front-runners to trade for Portland Trail Blazers star Damian Lillard, two high-ranking NBA team executives told ESPN's Andscape.
While the Raptors have had recent conversations with the Blazers about Lillard, no pact was close to being imminent as of Monday morning, according to a source.
On July 1, ESPN reported that Lillard requested a trade with his preferred destination being the Miami Heat. In the nearly three months since that request became public, no substantial trade conversations have taken place between the two teams, sources said.
The Heat offered a trade package that included sharpshooter Tyler Herro and two first-round picks, a source said.
A Raptors offer could include a package featuring players from a roster that includes two-time NBA All-Star Pascal Siakam, 2022 NBA Rookie of the Year Scottie Barnes, forward O.G. Anunoby, who is eligible for a contract extension, and rookie sharpshooter Gradey Dick. The Blazers are intrigued about adding a young 6-foot-8 sharpshooter in Dick, a source said.
The two NBA executives said that they expect Lillard to be traded before media day, which is Oct. 2 for most teams including the Blazers, Heat and Raptors. Practices begin the next day.
Along with Toronto and Miami, the Milwaukee Bucks, Boston Celtics, Philadelphia 76ers and Chicago Bulls have shown interest since Lillard's initial trade request. Regardless to whether Lillard is traded or still in Portland come media day, a source said he is not expected to be a media day or training camp holdout.
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Trading Siakam for Dame defeats the whole purpose. Even if you don’t trade for Dame the Raptors need to make decisions on our free agents. OG is going to get paid by us or someone, I would fully expect him to leave in free agency, Portland would be able to give him that contract. Still gotta sign Trent and Siakam. Like big decisions. If you trade OG at least you’re getting something back for him
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Probably a smoke screen to get the deal they want from Miami but... as a Raps fan, sign me up for 4 years of Dame even if it's his retirement deal. 4 years to build around him and what core we have left post deal. As long as we do not give up multiple core pieces, we could compete in the East. Future picks, prospects, depth pieces... bye.
My guess is if we’re not being used as leverage and this is all true, my proposal would be Dick, OG, 2 first round picks unprotected and Thad Young/Chris Boucher etc as Salary filler
They’ve already declined Herro and 2 first round picks. Miami has nothing else to offer unless they give up Bam but that would defeat the purpose
Portland isn’t a fan of Herro… so unless Miami is giving up a zillion first round picks and can get a 3rd team involved they’re stuck. Portland even likes Dick over Herro.
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It sounds intriguing but I don't think Lillard elevates us to championship contenders, and he will start to decline soon.
I think we're better off going with a rebuild long term.
I think we're better off going with a rebuild long term.
I agree - we just have to convince Masai.
Curry is like 35-36 and still doing his thing while playing wayyy more basketball than Dame has. I actually think Dame would be super energized with a top 4-5 team which I think the Raptors are with him. Masai would also have the deadline to either improve the team more through trade or sign a buyout candidate. Dame/Siakam/Barnes/Poetl/GTJ is by far the best team he’s ever been on. And looking at the East it may not flat out be a contender for a title but the East is wide open.
I just don’t see the cons to this deal when the alternative is a worse version of last year.
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This could drag out a while still... they say media day deadline but he could not report and wait until pre season to have something done. Boston seems to make sense, Miami, Milwaukee... they can all make 3 team trades and make money work. Still want him in Toronto but Boston also has 5 first round picks available to be moved. Teams can do 5 players, plus picks trades for 1 player until close until regular season I believe because of expanded rosters. If they give Dame a little say without sacrificing much in the trade value, they are going to do right by him and move him where he wants.
Aren’t players obligated to be at media day? If he’s still in Portland by Monday it would be a PR nightmare for the team. A deal has to get done I believe by Friday. You need time to allow everyone to get to their new cities and settled in
I agree on Boston, I’m not sure why they aren’t mentioned more. Tatum, Lillard, Brown would be a crazy trio
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I don't think it defeats the whole purpose. Scottie is ready for more responsibility and his position and skillset overlap with Pascal's. Realistically if you want to go all in it would be Scottie going the other way but that's not going to happen so this gives us the most roster balance.
I gotta say this kind of feels like anothe KD situation where Masai doesn’t want to give up anything. If we don’t get Dame then what direction are going? OG is going to make like 30 million next year I don’t want us to give him that, Siakam is going to get the max. Like wtf are we doing? Either we go for it or we tear it down. This stuff about the play in etc is garbage. If we re-sign both guys. We’re going to be a capped out treadmill play in team….. just brutal
If we don’t get Dame I’d honestly go back to Atlanta and re-work a Siakam deal. The status quo with this group is at best a play in team but more likely we finish out of the playoffs
If we don’t get Dame I’d honestly go back to Atlanta and re-work a Siakam deal. The status quo with this group is at best a play in team but more likely we finish out of the playoffs
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Its the NBA, you can sit out a month of the regular season before real problems start minus losing salary. Dame is not that kind of player, Harden or Kyrie would do that but... just thinking if Portland still does not like the deals, I could see it dragging on. Its not ideal, but the Monday deadline seems like a soft date to me, an ideal date but they could let it pass.
I only do the deal if its Trent/Dick/2 1sts and you have a starting lineup of Dame/OG/Scottie/Siakam/Poeltl. This is a stronger lineup. Trading OG in the deal results in a good contending lineup but not greater than the other contenders in the East. Aside from the luxury tax hell and the fact year 4 of this would be a likely disaster.
That being said, with so much noise and so little time left, I don't see this deal happening which may be a good thing. I think other star players will become available within 1 year.
That being said, with so much noise and so little time left, I don't see this deal happening which may be a good thing. I think other star players will become available within 1 year.
I’m not sure how the salaries would work but a starting 5 of Barnes, Lillard, OG, Siakam, Poeltl is absurd.
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Likely could make it work with Trent Jr, Dick and a combination of Boucher, Porter Jr or Young along with a combination of alot of draft picks. Would be the ideal route for us if we get Dame and we obviously want to compete immediately. Mortgage the future in terms of picks but keep the core guys around and sign them to extensions and build from there. Have to think they would want OG, Barnes or Siakim with an extension in place but maybe maybe Masai and Webster can work their magic.
I think Portland would want Scottie Barnes and/or Dick.
As a casual Raptors fan with limited information, this is an outsiders perspective. Thinking out loud, from the Raptors' perspective, I believe it would make sense in the short term to keep OG over Barnes for spacing, if they want to "go for it". However, in the long term, giving up Barnes would be very costly and would hurt more than trading OG.
Regarding the Blazers, if they are giving up Dame, wouldn't they want to re-tool or rebuild? Therefore, they must desire a package resembling Barnes and Dick. However, I am unsure about how this would work with salaries because the salaries would be so out of whack.
Also, Dame's salary is so high, making 60 million and he's 33, so that must take a bit of a hit to his trade value.
Dick + picks + roster spares seems like not enough value for Portland. Could the salaries even work?
Dick + Barnes for a 33-year-old making 60 million seems like too much value going to Portland.
OG + Dick for Lillard seems like it wouldn't serve the Raptors "win now" ambitions.
It's challenging to envision a perfect and clear fit.
