Speculation: Utah working to trade Michael Carcone

[Mosby]

Wahlstrom straight up.

Samuel Bolduc?

 

[seafoam]

Samuel Bolduc?

Maybe, would depend on if NYI thinks Carcone moves the needle at all.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I would say Detroit could use him.

But they just traded, so... probably could've included.

 

[Lunatik]

Carcone to Colorado would actually make a lot of sense, especially if the Avs have a defenseman they can move

 

[Mac Attack]

Carcone to Colorado would actually make a lot of sense, especially if the Avs have a defenseman they can move

 

[biturbo19]

Underrated component with Carcone is he’s a much better fighter than you might think. Hasn’t shown it in the NHL much but he’s got a sneaky right had that is deadly. He’s not a soft player.

Still, he’s pretty small and is not a power forward by any means. Solid motor when he’s on, but consistency is his main issue. He scored goals in bunches and then goes cold.

I mean, he's not "soft" by any means. But "winning fights" is very possibly, the single most useless ability in the NHL.

Fights aren't about "winning" or "losing" and they're rarely that conclusive either way. They're about showing up. Which is a notable positive tick for Carcone. He definitely isn't "soft".

He's just tiny. And when it comes to actually working the corners and boxing guys out and doing hockey, his "sneaky right hook" or whatever doesn't mean squat. Because fundamentally, big people beat up small people...and he just isn't strong enough to overcome that issue when he wants to go somewhere a bigger defender doesn't want him to go...or vice versa.

 

[rt]

I mean, he's not "soft" by any means. But "winning fights" is very possibly, the single most useless ability in the NHL.

Fights aren't about "winning" or "losing" and they're rarely that conclusive either way. They're about showing up. Which is a notable positive tick for Carcone. He definitely isn't "soft".

He's just tiny. And when it comes to actually working the corners and boxing guys out and doing hockey, his "sneaky right hook" or whatever doesn't mean squat. Because fundamentally, big people beat up small people...and he just isn't strong enough to overcome that issue when he wants to go somewhere a bigger defender doesn't want him to go...or vice versa.

So to sum all this up, it would be better for Michael Carcone if he was bigger. Yes, it sure would.

 

[biturbo19]

So to sum all this up, it would be better for Michael Carcone if he was bigger. Yes, it sure would.

It would be significantly better if he were a little bit taller. If he was more of a baller. etc. Yes.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Carcone to Colorado would actually make a lot of sense, especially if the Avs have a defenseman they can move

They do have just that those are terrible.

 

[rt]

Carcone for Fabbro seems like it makes some sense. Preds could use a little bit of a shake up. Fabbro seems to be on borrowed time and obviously needs a change of scenery. Carcone has SOMETHING to offer but can’t get into the lineup in Utah. Carcone is a bit older but is much cheaper. And both are kind of one year band-aid/dice-rolls. It would be a fairly “meh” trade but might give each team just a little bit of what they could use more of.

 

[biturbo19]

Carcone for Fabbro seems like it makes some sense. Preds could use a little bit of a shake up. Fabbro seems to be on borrowed time and obviously needs a change of scenery. Carcone has SOMETHING to offer but can’t get into the lineup in Utah. Carcone is a bit older but is much cheaper. And both are kind of one year band-aid/dice-rolls. It would be a fairly “meh” trade but might give each team just a little bit of what they could use more of.

Not that Fabbro is any good, but he's a #4/5 tweener RHD. What is Carcone that he'd be worth that at all in return? Worst case for Nashville...they just hang onto Fabbro and he's one of like 3 RHD on the "market" at the deadline and fetches a haul even if he's not that good. He's on a cheap contract too.


What's Carcone do for anybody at the deadline? So unless you're planning on Carcone being a part of your team long-term, what's the point? There's a reason Utah ain't working that hard to find a way to keep him and make him a part of the organization's long-term plans.

 

[rt]

Not that Fabbro is any good, but he's a #4/5 tweener RHD. What is Carcone that he'd be worth that at all in return? Worst case for Nashville...they just hang onto Fabbro and he's one of like 3 RHD on the "market" at the deadline and fetches a haul even if he's not that good. He's on a cheap contract too.

Fabbro is barely playing and has a 2.5aav cap hit. 4/5 tweener? He’s playing 13:06 per game this season as Nashville’s 7th D. A full minute and a half below Schenn, who’s their 6th D. Fabbro has been a healthy scratch in 40% of the games they’ve played.

Granted, that’s a small sample. We can add last season into the mix too. Adding in last season, he drops to 8th in average ice time per game among Nashville D. Drop MDG if you want (only 13gp) and Fabbro sits 7th. Add in the season before that and he drops to 9th. Filter out guys with less than 20gp and he’s 7th.

What is his value? A 3rd rounder? Ok, then Carcone and a 3rd for Fabbro. Throw in Bortuzzo who they can waive and bury for depth in the AHL.

What's Carcone do for anybody at the deadline? So unless you're planning on Carcone being a part of your team long-term, what's the point? There's a reason Utah ain't working that hard to find a way to keep him and make him a part of the organization's long-term plans.

You realize the majority of trades don’t involve players viewed as long-term core pieces. Utah just traded a 3rd for Maatta. It happens more often than not. Neither Fabbro nor Carcone are core players for anyone. Nashville isn’t using Fabbro and Utah isn’t using Carcone.

Utah needs some help on D. Fabbro might help a tiny bit or might end up scratched a bunch. Nashville has the 3rd worst GF/GP in the league this season and they’re tied for last in the league for points. Carcone might help a tiny bit or might end up scratched a bunch.

I don’t think either player is worth more than a 3rd. I’d probably add a 3rd to Carcone to get Fabbro because Utah is in a bad spot on the blueline with such major, long term injuries. Spaghetti at the wall mentality.

I understand that Carcone will likely never have another season as good as the one he had last season. But I also understand that Fabbro will likely never have a season like that either. I’d say it’s 50/50 that Carcone starts next camp on a PTO with a new team while Fabbro ends up with a 1yr, 1mil show me deal with a new team.

 

[rt]

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[biturbo19]

Fabbro is barely playing and has a 2.5aav cap hit. 4/5 tweener? He’s playing 13:06 per game this season as Nashville’s 7th D. A full minute and a half below Schenn, who’s their 6th D. Fabbro has been a healthy scratch in 40% of the games they’ve played.

Granted, that’s a small sample. We can add last season into the mix too. Adding in last season, he drops to 8th in average ice time per game among Nashville D. Drop MDG if you want (only 13gp) and Fabbro sits 7th. Add in the season before that and he drops to 9th. Filter out guys with less than 20gp and he’s 7th.

What is his value? A 3rd rounder? Ok, then Carcone and a 3rd for Fabbro. Throw in Bortuzzo who they can waive and bury for depth in the AHL.

You realize the majority of trades don’t involve players viewed as long-term core pieces. Utah just traded a 3rd for Maatta. It happens more often than not. Neither Fabbro nor Carcone are core players for anyone. Nashville isn’t using Fabbro and Utah isn’t using Carcone.

Utah needs some help on D. Fabbro might help a tiny bit or might end up scratched a bunch. Nashville has the 3rd worst GF/GP in the league this season and they’re tied for last in the league for points. Carcone might help a tiny bit or might end up scratched a bunch.

I don’t think either player is worth more than a 3rd. I’d probably add a 3rd to Carcone to get Fabbro because Utah is in a bad spot on the blueline with such major, long term injuries. Spaghetti at the wall mentality.

I understand that Carcone will likely never have another season as good as the one he had last season. But I also understand that Fabbro will likely never have a season like that either. I’d say it’s 50/50 that Carcone starts next camp on a PTO with a new team while Fabbro ends up with a 1yr, 1mil show me deal with a new team.

I mean, i get that Utah really need a defenceman right now. Even with spending a pick on Maatta. But from a Nashville perspective, if all they're gonna get for Fabbro is a throwaway like Carcone and a 3rd round pick, what's the point? What's the "risk" in just keeping him until the deadline and dealing him for that, or more?


He's just not that good. But he's an NHL RH shooting defenceman. He's still only 26 and he's played Top-4 minutes with stellar partners before under different coaches/systems. What is Carcone adding to the Predators that is better than just waiting for the deadline idiocy and desperation to materialize? That's a skillset teams will stretch themselves on. They'll convince themselves it's just, "Brunette hates him and he's underutilized" which may or may not even be true...but it's at least plausible.

The idea that Carcone is going to be a piece for a contending team, or even an NHL team going forward beyond this season...is implausible.

What you're suggesting is essentially...Fabbro for a 3rd round pick. Maybe that's not so far off the mark given what Liljegren just moved for. But i'd argue there are a lot of reasons for the Preds to just hang onto Fabbro, even if their coach doesn't like him and doesn't want to play him...and try to pawn him off at the deadline and probably net something better than a 3rd.