Post-Game Talk: Utah No Names dunk on Pens (still not Sullys fault apparently)

[molon labe]

Anyone else see recent HC firings after a handful of losses and think to yourself, "that could have been us 5 years ago!" lol.

And now they're in a situation where there's no "right" time to fire him because it should have happened then.

So, just get it over with. But here we are looking like ass losing constantly, blowing leads, getting blown out at home consistently (that's usually a big one to get fired over)....and he's STILL here.

It seems they'd rather trade the entire roster, the front office, and the fan base at this point rather than trading out Sully. Reap it.

 

[Andy99]

Lmao, here's Yohe's 10 observations and they're f***ing hilarious because he goes out of his way to not make it Sullivan's fault or that he's the issue...here's the "special ones"...

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5943032/2024/11/24/penguins-sidney-crosby-no-hope/?source=emp_shared_article

So Sullivan isn't just earning a pay check? Also where does he get off thinking the others aren't also battling? Because Sid lost his shit on Connor does that suddenly give him all of the "I care" points? f***ing moron.

Every f***ing defenseman paired with Grzelcyk sucks, to not figure that out is pretty bang on because he can't even figure out the coach is the problem.

Bryan Rust has become such a f***ing annoying piece of shit and Sullivan dick rider, of course a moron like Yohe loves him.


Also, lmao...



"deserves some blame, but I won't write about it..."

Jesse doesn't even say shit, just whines about Jarry and other random dumb shit, apparently no whining about tonight's goaltending or anything of that sort, Rossi just wanked to Sid's goals and how he stands in history, ignoring any real discussion. What a bunch of f***ing sackless twats.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

The way this team is constructed, I don't see any playoff potential with or without Sullivan. Crosby, Malkin, Letang and EK65 are all just too far away from their prime, and there are zero capable replacements under way.

This is where we disagree. ANY playoff potential? You take out the incompetence behind the bench (and also his sidekick Robin) and I guarantee you we can compete for the playoffs. The East is very mediocre this season. We are once again wasting time with Sullivan when we clearly could be playing younger players more than single digits, finding renewed energy throughout the lineup and seeing the core guys respond by playing more like themselves. Yeah, goaltending remains an issue. Yeah, the defense is leaking goals.

But the current climate of loser franchise is from Sullivan, his beliefs, his tactics and his lack of adjustments. You take that out of the equation, and it is a completely new day with new possibilities. If you don't take him out of the equation, then no matter how many years we draft a really good player, the stench will remain.

Jim Montgomery holds players accountable. He is not afraid to bench his best player or even challenge his captain. This group would be in culture shock for weeks, and possibly months. But the cleansing would be exactly what they need, whether they know it or not.

Since Montgomery coached Boston, maybe FSG actually knows who he is. That is perhaps not nothing.

Guess we’re stuck with the Beantown Bastard

Holy shit, I missed this one. Forget the hopeful end to my last post!

 

[McGroarty2]

I missed the first two periods last night and the fact that Sid scored 600 completely passed me
by since it was buried in a humiliation.

Are FSG happy watching this as a retirement tour? All the silver linings, any milestones, becoming afterthoughts in a game because the Pens got another ass kicking and the building finished half empty by the final buzzer? All to preserve Mike’s ego

Just a pathetic state of affairs.


Yeah, I would say, frankly, emotional response is exactly what is needed right now in that room. An emotion of like, maybe, pride or anger might spur someone to an individual performance where they go off.

“No emotion” was the right call in 2016, Mike. That team was loaded with skill, and just needed to focus on executing because their emotional toddlerism has been getting in the way and their talent level was good enough to beat anyone.

Of course Mike still coaches and acts like it’s the same team.

Watching this team play Mike Sullivan hockey is like what I would imagine it would be having to watch someone bang your wife.

 

[Andy99]

Guess we’re stuck with the Beantown Bastard

I wouldn’t have wanted to give Montgomery a 5-year deal so glad we didn’t sign him even though I want Sullivan gone…but kudos to the Blues for going bold and trying to turn their season around, unlike these FSG turtles

 

[molon labe]

This is where we disagree. ANY playoff potential? You take out the incompetence behind the bench (and also his sidekick Robin) and I guarantee you we can compete for the playoffs. The East is very mediocre this season. We are once again wasting time with Sullivan when we clearly could be playing younger players more than single digits, finding renewed energy throughout the lineup and seeing the core guys respond by playing more like themselves. Yeah, goaltending remains an issue. Yeah, the defense is leaking goals.

But the current climate of loser franchise is from Sullivan, his beliefs, his tactics and his lack of adjustments. You take that out of the equation, and it is a completely new day with new possibilities. If you don't take him out of the equation, then no matter how many years we draft a really good player, the stench will remain.

Jim Montgomery holds players accountable. He is not afraid to bench his best player or even challenge his captain. This group would be in culture shock for weeks, and possibly months. But the cleansing would be exactly what they need, whether they know it or not.

Since Montgomery coached Boston, maybe FSG actually knows who he is. That is perhaps not nothing.


Holy shit, I missed this one. Forget the hopeful end to my last post!

We don't have enough scoring. Has been pointed out for some time. Sullivan doesn't desire that on his roster. He's got to go AND we need to bring in 2 decent young LD's (since Petts will be on the way out) and at LEAST one top 6 forward - preferably 2. That's no easy task for any team, let alone one with Dubas' track record - on a team with very few assets.

I'm sure the collective here on HF could do it - but we're often far more accurate than the simps these organizations hire.

 

[BusinessGoose]

I don't think montgomery is the guy for us

But guarantee blues look better than us in year 3 of the next five years

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

I guess the Pens don’t feel their situation is worse than the Blues.
Stand strong FSG.

 

[Zbynek]

Guess we’re stuck with the Beantown Bastard

Lmao.

And I thought the Hextall era was bad!

It seems they'd rather trade the entire roster, the front office, and the fan base at this point rather than trading out Sully. Reap it.

Well the problem is we haven't done that yet either lol.

Dubas moved Lars Eller for a 3rd round pick, put on his politician face + took an interview, and called it a day.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

We don't have enough scoring. Has been pointed out for some time. Sullivan doesn't desire that on his roster. He's got to go AND we need to bring in 2 decent young LD's (since Petts will be on the way out) and at LEAST one top 6 forward - preferably 2. That's no easy task for any team, let alone one with Dubas' track record - on a team with very few assets.

I'm sure the collective here on HF could do it - but we're often far more accurate than the simps these organizations hire.

Of course we need those things, though Owen Pickering is one of those two young LDs so we only need one. Unless you want three young LDs and that is not a good recipe. You always need veterans even when you are doing an accelerated rebuild. You just need good ones. Trading Graves would cost us assets right now, so you keep him and hope the new coach (which feels like a million miles away anyway) can help him turn his game around.

We definitely need a top-six forward and have needed one for some time now. Arguably since Phil Kessel was traded, maybe. But obviously since losing Guentzel. And I have been on the Mitch Marner campaign and will continue to go down that rabbit hole until he re-signs with Toronto. If he re-signs with Toronto.

But what you are describing is what is needed to be a true contender. And you don't need to be a true contender to make the playoffs in the East this season. The Blues went for Montgomery because to make the playoffs out of the Central this season is going to take some doing! But where we sit? A coaching change alone, and everything that comes with firing a stain like Mike Sullivan, would do wonders.

Think about how the team reacted (after a brief mourning period) to losing Guentzel last season, and then multiply that by 10,000! That is what removing Sullivan would accomplish. Without Sullivan, probably 17/23 players benefit greatly and every single prospect down on the farm gets a giant spike as well.

Without Sullivan, basically Grz, Nieto, Acciari and Shea would be the losers out of this shift. I could live with that.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Guys OMG calm down, we are just 5 pts out of a playoff spot lol

Seriously though, stop going to games and buy merchandise, building needs to be as empty as possible

 

[BusinessGoose]

I think we knew we wouldn't be good

But 5+ to 1 losses were not quite what I expected

This is like business. It's clear our investments are failing. We just aren't doing any damage control at all. And future drafting etc well... We will see how that goes...

 

[Malkinstheman]

Alot could be forgiven if the Pens were at least fun to watch. They've managed to create a terrible product to watch and an extremely unlikeable roster. There just isn't much redeeming about this team.

 

[Andy99]

Lol, sad but true

 

[BusinessGoose]

Even if you like the guy, you fire at this point for optics alone

This isn't how things are run in real life

 

[Malkinstheman]

Mike Sullivan is literally trending on twitter. Total incompetence from everyone in the organization. Throw Dubas out the door too if he's been defending Sullivan

 

[vodeni]

When you assemble a roster of ZAR clones, expect ZAR-level results.

Penalty killing is such a small part of the game, but it’s like the number one thing in his head all of the time. The importance he places on it and how he molds the roster around it is downright insane.

Anyway, when they get a new coach, he’d better not be a former 4th liner/pker. I don’t think
I can take another one.

That PK is working beautifully