USA all time team

[jigglysquishy]

Chico Resch wouldn't even make the USA B team. Might be the 3rd stringer on the USA C team.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Hellebuyck
Resch
Brimsek

Chelios. Leetch. Langway. Howe.
Kurvers. Iafrate. R Suter. Ramsey

Hull. Lafontaine. Ftorek. Kane.
Roenick. Mullen. Modano. Trottier.
K Tkachuk. Matthews. Stevens. N Broten

Resch? Kurvers? Ramsey? Ftorek? Are you serious?

 

[Gerulaitis]

Resch? Kurvers? Ramsey? Ftorek? Are you serious?

Yes

 

[DaaaaB's]

Yes

Ok, then please explain how you justify any of those guys being on this team.

 

[Gerulaitis]

Ok, then please explain how you justify any of those guys being on this team.

It's like saying you're very young without actually saying that

 

[jigglysquishy]

Chico Resch is indefensible on an all-time USA team. He was born and raised in Canada and only ended up playing for the US because he wasn't good enough to make Canada in 1981 (he didn't play in 1976).

He stunk it up with the US in 1984, being thoroughly outplayed by 19-year-old Tom Barasso.

Barrasso played against Canada, Czechoslovakia, and the USSR. Resch let in 4 goals against West Germany before letting in 5 against Sweden.

He only started 1 game in 1984. It's an incredibly weak time with team USA. Wasn't like he was good in the 1982 World Championship either.

It's just a very puzzling name. As I said, at best he's a USA C team goalie, but more realistically he's a USA D team coach.

 

[Michael Farkas]

It's like saying you're very young without actually saying that

What if someone has watched those players and still wants some discussion on this discussion forum...?

 

[DaaaaB's]

It's like saying you're very young without actually saying that

What a pathetic response. By your logic, no one on here knows anything about players from pre 1950 then. I'm definitely not very young and I don't need to have seen those guys play to know they don't deserve to be on this team anyhow.

 

[WarriorofTime]

It's like saying you're very young without actually saying that

You clearly checked out of hockey like fifteen years ago. Your suggestions are awful.

 

[Gerulaitis]

What if someone has watched those players and still wants some discussion on this discussion forum...?

You clearly checked out of hockey like fifteen years ago. Your suggestions are awful.

You're the one suggesting.
I picked the players I believe deserve to make the all time team

What a pathetic response. By your logic, no one on here knows anything about players from pre 1950 then. I'm definitely not very young and I don't need to have seen those guys play to know they don't deserve to be on this team anyhow.

It was a compliment. Don't be sad

 

[Gerulaitis]

What if someone has watched those players and still wants some discussion on this discussion forum...?

They're all good players.
Or maybe they want me to drop Ramsey for Craig Wolanski?

 

[jigglysquishy]

You could substitute Resch for someone who had a good game wearing a team USA jersey like Richter, Barrasso, Miller, or Quick.

 

[DaaaaB's]

It was a compliment. Don't be sad

It was arrogance not a compliment.

They're all good players.
Or maybe they want me to drop Ramsey for Craig Wolanski?

They're all good but not good enough to make this team. Chris Drury was good too and he's not making it along with a lot of other good players.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Brett Hull objectively played on Team USA. A list of "All Time Team USA Players" objectively includes him.

The Florida Panthers objectively play in the NHL. A list of "NHL teams" objectively includes them.

The analogy holds quite well.

The only only went to the US, because he couldn’t make team Canada.

 

[Gerulaitis]

It was arrogance not a compliment.


They're all good but not good enough to make this team. Chris Drury was good too and he's not making it along with a lot of other good players.

That is your opinion. I have mine

 

[seventieslord]

Tom Kurvers is the most absolutely mind-boggling pick I've seen in this thread. Just think of how many other defensemen the USA has produced that could make this team over him. How about Phil Housley for starters? Has the exact same strength and weaknesses as Kurvers, but is multiple degrees of magnitude better. And I don't know if I've ever paid Housley a compliment on this board.... Ever!

Ftorek is pretty far from contention, but he could maybe keep up with the rest of the guys. Ramsey is not that bad. Don't forget this guy received Norris votes despite producing very modest point totals. Some thought he was one of the three best defensive defensemen in the world.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Tom Kurvers is the most absolutely mind-boggling pick I've seen in this thread. Just think of how many other defensemen the USA has produced that could make this team over him. How about Phil Housley for starters? Has the exact same strength and weaknesses as Kurvers, but is multiple degrees of magnitude better. And I don't know if I've ever paid Housley a compliment on this board.... Ever!

Ftorek is pretty far from contention, but he could maybe keep up with the rest of the guys. Ramsey is not that bad. Don't forget this guy received Norris votes despite producing very modest point totals. Some thought he was one of the three best defensive defensemen in the world.

See, now there's at least an explanation as to why Ramsay was selected. That's all I wanted from the guy. I'd think a guy like Brian Rafalski amongst many others are more deserving than Kurvers. Ftorek was a good player but I don't see how makes the team ahead of guys like LeClair, Gaudreau, Pavelski, Wheeler, Amonte and many others.

 

[Gerulaitis]

Tom Kurvers is the most absolutely mind-boggling pick I've seen in this thread. Just think of how many other defensemen the USA has produced that could make this team over him. How about Phil Housley for starters? Has the exact same strength and weaknesses as Kurvers, but is multiple degrees of magnitude better. And I don't know if I've ever paid Housley a compliment on this board.... Ever!

Ftorek is pretty far from contention, but he could maybe keep up with the rest of the guys. Ramsey is not that bad. Don't forget this guy received Norris votes despite producing very modest point totals. Some thought he was one of the three best defensive defensemen in the world.

Oh I thought I've included Housley.

Ftorek is a tribute to the 70s. He did well in the WHA.

Someone mentioned Rafalski. Well, he could replace Kurvers or Ramsey. Or should I rather pick Reed Larson?

You could substitute Resch for someone who had a good game wearing a team USA jersey like Richter, Barrasso, Miller, or Quick.

Barrasso or Richter. Tough choice

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Ramsey is not that bad. Don't forget this guy received Norris votes despite producing very modest point totals. Some thought he was one of the three best defensive defensemen in the world.

if we were making a team where we only cared about defensive ability, without any regard to offence, would ramsey make it?

chelios is the easy number one, langway two. suter (ryan, obviously) and hatcher (i don’t even need to say which one) are ahead of him, probably. but ramsey would be a mortal lock for the bottom pair right?

but who fills out the bottom pair? slavin? mcavoy? mark howe? then unkess i’m forgetting some guys, it’s a sizeable step down to the likes of craig ludwig and keith carney.

 

[seventieslord]

if we were making a team where we only cared about defensive ability, without any regard to offence, would ramsey make it?

chelios is the easy number one, langway two. suter (ryan, obviously) and hatcher (i don’t even need to say which one) are ahead of him, probably. but ramsey would be a mortal lock for the bottom pair right?

but who fills out the bottom pair? slavin? mcavoy? mark howe? then unkess i’m forgetting some guys, it’s a sizeable step down to the likes of craig ludwig and keith carney.

I'd say Langway, Chelios, Ramsey, Slavin, Hatcher, Suter, in that order.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

I'd say Langway, Chelios, Ramsey, Slavin, Hatcher, Suter, in that order.

admittedly langway and ramsey’s primes are before my time, but certain guys are eye test guys for me and chelios and suter are two of them.

to this day, chelios is the best defensive player i have ever watched, full stop. so i have him number one, being that reputationally i don’t think langway is even ahead of him.

and i saw a lot of suter and he was the best derensive guy in the league for a lot of years. slavin is fantastic but has he even played as many games over his entire career as suter spent as the league’s best defender (basically the entire 2010s)?

but anyway, suter > hatcher is an easy call for me. to my eyes, hatcher defined a system but was still a systems guy. suter felt like he could work in any system in any system. imo, he approached lidstrom in terms of perfecting his angles.

i’d be curious to hear a ramsey vs hatcher argument though. i don’t think i know enough about ramsey to make that call.

 

[seventieslord]

How many rosters would the USA need to name before Tom Kurvers looks like a legitimate option? Let's give it a try.

Chelios - Leetch
Howe - Langway
Suter - Suter

Hatcher - Hatcher
Housley - Ramsey
Carlson - Larson

McDonagh - Hughes
Byfuglien - Rafalski
Iafrate - O'Connell

Fox - Werenski
Roberts - Jones
Slavin - Ellett

Schneider - Weinrich
Ludwig - Yandle
Shattenkirk - Carney

Orpik - Milbury
Hanifin - Fogolin
Martin - Fowler

Faulk - Pesce
Poti - Trouba
Goligoski - Krug

Martinez - Hill
E. Johnson - Hainsey
Ji. Johnson - Hedican

Gill - Greene
Petry - Niskanen
Ja. Johnson - Carle

...Kurvers MIGHT make the 10th team.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

How many rosters would the USA need to name before Tom Kurvers looks like a legitimate option? Let's give it a try.

Chelios - Leetch
Howe - Langway
Suter - Suter

Hatcher - Hatcher
Housley - Ramsey
Carlson - Larson

McDonagh - Hughes
Byfuglien - Rafalski
Iafrate - O'Connell

Fox - Werenski
Roberts - Jones
Slavin - Ellett

Schneider - Weinrich
Ludwig - Yandle
Shattenkirk - Carney

Orpik - Milbury
Hanifin - Fogolin
Martin - Fowler

Faulk - Pesce
Poti - Trouba
Goligoski - Krug

Martinez - Hill
E. Johnson - Hainsey
Ji. Johnson - Hedican

Gill - Greene
Petry - Niskanen
Ja. Johnson - Carle

...Kurvers MIGHT make the 10th team.

i wonder how far down teams of minnesotan dmen kurvers would land:

ramsey housley
mcdonough larson
byfuglien martin

hedican faulk
leddy EJ
hill goligoski

i think kurvers could maybe push the bottom of team two, but probably belongs as a top guy on team three with niskanen and leopold, and on the lower pairs, you’re looking at langevin, tom gilbert, brady skjei, jake gardiner, maybe keith ballard?

that said, i’m not trying to beat up on kurvers here. he had a high peak as an ultimately replaceable offensive guy (notice montreal moves on from him and win the cup in ’86, new jersey moves on from him to build their new 90s core that eventually wins the cup in ‘95, he scores almost a pt/game in vancouver but they still turf him to resurrect dave babych and in the process usher in their three year powerhouse cresting in game seven of the ’94 finals). but a very short prime as a guy who despite coming in with a bang in ’85 co-QBing montreal’s pp with chelios, he doesn’t really hit his stride until ’89 and then is basically irrelevant by ’93/’94. up against the long, full careers of guys like goligoski or sean hill, the arguably higher peak of kurvers doesn’t really put him above them.