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As much as i like sergachev, when you're a contender ( if we are) team wont make you any favor, you need to give in order to receive so if you arent going dor a gamble. An addition such as a etablished top4 or good 2C to be an upgrade in order to seriously contend, serg will be the first thing they ask in exchange +, in this situation you simply cant go off limit if you cant sacrifice current core players.
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For an elite C/LW I'd be willing to give up a good number of picks/prospects to get it done, so long as they are signed beyond this year to a fair contract. Especially if the team takes DD back. He's only signed until the end of this year.
For example if LA is out of the race and willing to move Jeff Carter, I'd be willing to overpay. Galchenyuk-Carter-Plek >>>>>>> Galchenyuk-Plek-DD
As for a left wing, right now we have Patch-Rookies galore-Byron in our top 9 left wingers. If we could land a top line LW for Chucky and Radu to play with I'd be willing to pay a hefty price as well. Not as high as I would for a guy like Carter but a hefty one none the less.
I pretty much feel Montreal has to go for it all in the next 2-3 seasons. If we can land big upgrades to solidify our lineup I'm all for it. Carter is signed at a reasonable rate for a long time. I'd be willing to take the risk he's still good for several more seasons.
With Price in nets and a decent number of bottom pairing depth (Pateryn, Barbeiro, Hanley) I don't think D is as pressing a need as some offense up front. Don't get me wrong, Emelin-Weber Markov-Petry Beaulieu-Pateryn isn't perfect, but Emelin at least plays like a shutdown top 4 d-man when paired with Weber even though he's typically more of a #5 d.
For LW I can't really think of anyone who fits my criteria though. Maybe if Carolina was willing to part ways with Jeff Skinner? He has an NTC that kicks in next year according to capfriendly, all things considered to get two top line players like Carter/Skinner would roughly be 10 mil in cap, even at the deadline it would be around 4 mil, and we have only 1~ mil available. DD would certainly need to be moved and we'd have some cap problems next season.
For example if LA is out of the race and willing to move Jeff Carter, I'd be willing to overpay. Galchenyuk-Carter-Plek >>>>>>> Galchenyuk-Plek-DD
As for a left wing, right now we have Patch-Rookies galore-Byron in our top 9 left wingers. If we could land a top line LW for Chucky and Radu to play with I'd be willing to pay a hefty price as well. Not as high as I would for a guy like Carter but a hefty one none the less.
I pretty much feel Montreal has to go for it all in the next 2-3 seasons. If we can land big upgrades to solidify our lineup I'm all for it. Carter is signed at a reasonable rate for a long time. I'd be willing to take the risk he's still good for several more seasons.
With Price in nets and a decent number of bottom pairing depth (Pateryn, Barbeiro, Hanley) I don't think D is as pressing a need as some offense up front. Don't get me wrong, Emelin-Weber Markov-Petry Beaulieu-Pateryn isn't perfect, but Emelin at least plays like a shutdown top 4 d-man when paired with Weber even though he's typically more of a #5 d.
For LW I can't really think of anyone who fits my criteria though. Maybe if Carolina was willing to part ways with Jeff Skinner? He has an NTC that kicks in next year according to capfriendly, all things considered to get two top line players like Carter/Skinner would roughly be 10 mil in cap, even at the deadline it would be around 4 mil, and we have only 1~ mil available. DD would certainly need to be moved and we'd have some cap problems next season.
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a younger carter would have to be part of the deal A young top 4 defenseman. Younger players on elc and prospects or picks as well Not sure what combo I am sure it would not happen unless it's a overpayment no brainer mostly I am also not sure just how much that would be so i'm asking what are you thinking ?
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I just posted this in the other Montreal/LW thread (may the 2 threads could be combined?)...
Not that I really want to trade him because he has been great with us.
30 GP 13G 8A 21P +9 44PIM (2PPG 5PPP) He lost 20-25 lbs in the off season and came into camp in fantastic shape, physically and mentally. He is very physical, plays an antagonistic role very well. $1.5M AAV, signed through to the end of 2017/18.
Patrick Maroon... what's the offer?
Not that I really want to trade him because he has been great with us.
30 GP 13G 8A 21P +9 44PIM (2PPG 5PPP) He lost 20-25 lbs in the off season and came into camp in fantastic shape, physically and mentally. He is very physical, plays an antagonistic role very well. $1.5M AAV, signed through to the end of 2017/18.
Patrick Maroon... what's the offer?
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KingCanadain1976
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Carters contract is a great one. He's a 1 center on most teams including Montreal Most number one center are at least 7 million + Sorry but if you're thinking carter s contract isn't good then we may as well end this now. He's on a fabulous contract for a 200 foot player that can play well in any situation
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For Carter in order to make the $ portion work, you'd have to take back DD who is UFA at the end of the year either way.
Obviously we don't have a prospect with #1C upside or we wouldn't be looking at Carter so can't send one of those back.
But we could give up a number of 1st/2nd picks, Nikita Scherbak, Michael McCarron, Noah Juulsen. If it means less of the 1st/2nd picks and prospects just listed potentially even Mikhail Sergachev who I'd be really against trading, but for Carter who is signed long term to a great contract, is big, a 200ft player, can do pretty much everything, I understand you have to give in order to get.
How many of the proposed players/picks would it take assuming DD is packaged with them in order to get a deal done?
To MTL: Carter
To LA: Desharnais, 1st 2017, 2nd 2017, your pick of Scherbak/McCarron/Juulsen
To MTL: Carter
To LA: Desharnais, 2nd 2017, Sergachev?
To MTL: Carter
To LA: Desharnais, 1st 2017, 1st 2018
Like I said, I'd be willing to pay a premium. I know some Habs fans will freak out with these offers, and maybe some LA fans will even say not enough. Just trying to gauge what it would take. We're quite high on Sergachev, hence why I didn't include a 1st with him and only a 2nd. He's our #1 prospect and a d-man.
We need to win now though, so probably worth paying the price to land a guy like Jeff Carter. I know for sure plenty of LA fans would probably decline, but IMO it isn't every day you see two 1st rounders traded.
Obviously we don't have a prospect with #1C upside or we wouldn't be looking at Carter so can't send one of those back.
But we could give up a number of 1st/2nd picks, Nikita Scherbak, Michael McCarron, Noah Juulsen. If it means less of the 1st/2nd picks and prospects just listed potentially even Mikhail Sergachev who I'd be really against trading, but for Carter who is signed long term to a great contract, is big, a 200ft player, can do pretty much everything, I understand you have to give in order to get.
How many of the proposed players/picks would it take assuming DD is packaged with them in order to get a deal done?
To MTL: Carter
To LA: Desharnais, 1st 2017, 2nd 2017, your pick of Scherbak/McCarron/Juulsen
To MTL: Carter
To LA: Desharnais, 2nd 2017, Sergachev?
To MTL: Carter
To LA: Desharnais, 1st 2017, 1st 2018
Like I said, I'd be willing to pay a premium. I know some Habs fans will freak out with these offers, and maybe some LA fans will even say not enough. Just trying to gauge what it would take. We're quite high on Sergachev, hence why I didn't include a 1st with him and only a 2nd. He's our #1 prospect and a d-man.
We need to win now though, so probably worth paying the price to land a guy like Jeff Carter. I know for sure plenty of LA fans would probably decline, but IMO it isn't every day you see two 1st rounders traded.
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Like it for both teams. He would cost alot, but he will be a great fit for Habs. LA could need some cap space longterm and could also need some prospects like Sergachev.
Desharnais, 2017 1st+Sergachev for Carter. Habs first will very likely be a late first rounder
You drive a hard bargain
I'm not surprised you'd want the 1st to be honest. I think I could possibly live with 1st + Sergachev for Carter. If by deadline LA is willing to move Carter and Montreal is willing to trade for him, I'd assume Price is healthy and so is Shea Weber.Losing Sergachev would sting big time. I think he's the real deal, but if we're going all in this year it won't matter so long as we win it all. Personally, I'd accept Sergachev + 1st + DD for Carter.
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You drive a hard bargain
Losing Sergachev would sting big time. I think he's the real deal, but if we're going all in this year it won't matter so long as we win it all. Personally, I'd accept Sergachev + 1st + DD for Carter.
goo thing ur not mtl's gm
You drive a hard bargain
Losing Sergachev would sting big time. I think he's the real deal, but if we're going all in this year it won't matter so long as we win it all. Personally, I'd accept Sergachev + 1st + DD for Carter.
yeahhh mehhh, carter is not the kind of guy i would target if your going to part sergachev, would be looking for something little younger, who has still potential to grow and be around for a long time
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You drive a hard bargain
Losing Sergachev would sting big time. I think he's the real deal, but if we're going all in this year it won't matter so long as we win it all. Personally, I'd accept Sergachev + 1st + DD for Carter.
I think i would prefer Tomas Plekanec to dd He's got 2 years left and we have amido probably ready in two years that would work. I would also want Nikita Scherbak and Noah Juulsen with a 1st
KingCanadain1976
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make hudson Noah Juulsen instead and i would be ok with it if we are out of it
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Lets not forget Plekanec is clearing cap space for maybe another move That is worth something Kings are also fine keeping Carter Its not like we have to trade him
Lets not forget Plekanec is clearing cap space for maybe another move That is worth something Kings are also fine keeping Carter Its not like we have to trade him
Thing is Plekanec would be a perfect #3C for this playoff run, even if we did need to deal him after the playoffs. Keeping DD, he's horrible for that.
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