Underrated Superstars

[Cursed Lemon]

Brendan Shanahan.

Top 25 in scoring all time and played straight through the DPE while missing almost 2,500 minutes in penalties.

They don't make them like that anymore.

 

[Plante]

Jacques Plante never gets enough respect when the games best are being discussed.

 

[higgs011]

Zetterberg, Kessel, Hossa.
Maybe Krejci

 

[RedWingsForPresident]

Ron Francis.

This was mine, as well

 

[RedWingsForPresident]

Brendan Shanahan.

Top 25 in scoring all time and played straight through the DPE while missing almost 2,500 minutes in penalties.

They don't make them like that anymore.

656 goals with 2,489 PIMs is crazy. He would have easily cracked the 700 mark if he didn't fight like he did. The only person that compares with goals to PIMs is Messier, he has 694 goals with 1,910 PIMs. Shanahan has only 38 less goals with 579 more PIMs. That's really astonishing

 

[Rise from the Ashes]

Not all of these may be TRUE superstars, but here goes:

Jaden Schwartz: does everything well and reminds me a bit of Toews
Nick Backstrom
Max Pacioretty
Alex Steen
Mark Giordano
Patrice Bergeron
Jakub Voracek
Blake Wheeler

Developing superstars: Johnny Gaudreau, Ryan Strome, Alex Galchenyuk

 

[MNRube]

Not all of these may be TRUE superstars, but here goes:

Jaden Schwartz: does everything well and reminds me a bit of Toews
Nick Backstrom
Max Pacioretty
Alex Steen
Mark Giordano
Patrice Bergeron
Jakub Voracek
Blake Wheeler

Developing superstars: Johnny Gaudreau, Ryan Strome, Alex Galchenyuk

Great list. I'd agree with all of those. Especially Wheeler and Pacioretty who never get enough love. Only issue would be that most of these aren't what I'd call a "superstar" but that can be very hard to define.

I'd throw in MSL (amazing productivity; a top player of his generation statistically), Hossa (chasing rings may have hurt his rep, i dunno), Krejci (his playoff numbers are insane).

 

[StoneHands]

Brendan Shanahan.

Top 25 in scoring all time and played straight through the DPE while missing almost 2,500 minutes in penalties.

They don't make them like that anymore.

Am I missing something or does 2,489 PIM add up to 41 games? I don't think the PIM makes much of a difference since that time he spent in the box would essentially equal another 36 points going by his career average. And that would be assuming he never took a penalty in his entire career. If you do that to everyone, theyre points would increase as well.

656 goals with 2,489 PIMs is crazy. He would have easily cracked the 700 mark if he didn't fight like he did. The only person that compares with goals to PIMs is Messier, he has 694 goals with 1,910 PIMs. Shanahan has only 38 less goals with 579 more PIMs. That's really astonishing

Again, unless my math is way off(it totally could be) or I'm not calculating it correctly(again, possible), there's no way he scores another 44 goals in the 41 games he missed due to PIMs.

The 579 PIM more than Messier comes out to 9 games. Again, no chance Shanny scores 38 goals in those 9 games.

 

[StoneHands]

Zetterberg. Career numbers are very similar to Datsyuk and and they're both excellent two-way players yet Datsyuk gets all the love.

 

[COwens12]

Am I missing something or does 2,489 PIM add up to 41 games? I don't think the PIM makes much of a difference since that time he spent in the box would essentially equal another 36 points going by his career average. And that would be assuming he never took a penalty in his entire career. If you do that to everyone, theyre points would increase as well.



Again, unless my math is way off(it totally could be) or I'm not calculating it correctly(again, possible), there's no way he scores another 44 goals in the 41 games he missed due to PIMs.

The 579 PIM more than Messier comes out to 9 games. Again, no chance Shanny scores 38 goals in those 9 games.

Most players dont play the whole 60 min. Gotta divide by 20min a night, not 60 min in a game. Shanny spent over a season of his career in the box

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Idk if Cam Neely was mentioned or not, but I find that for someone who got 50 in 50 he doesn't get enough attention.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

amongst the typical HF posters: Toews AINEC.

Amongst Hockey professionals he's considered one of the top 2 or 3 players in the NHL. Amongst HF posters he often isn't even listed as a top 10 center.

The same "professionals" who put Ovi as a 1st team All Star RW AND 2nd team All Star LW ?

Some of them even think that Toews is better than Crosby

Toews is the most overrated player in the world. He's a 70 point player with superstar line mates for God's sake.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

Am I missing something or does 2,489 PIM add up to 41 games? I don't think the PIM makes much of a difference since that time he spent in the box would essentially equal another 36 points going by his career average. And that would be assuming he never took a penalty in his entire career. If you do that to everyone, theyre points would increase as well.



Again, unless my math is way off(it totally could be) or I'm not calculating it correctly(again, possible), there's no way he scores another 44 goals in the 41 games he missed due to PIMs.

The 579 PIM more than Messier comes out to 9 games. Again, no chance Shanny scores 38 goals in those 9 games.

Forwards play roughly 20 minutes a night, we'll say.

Brendan Shanahan played 1524 games, which would equal 30,480 minutes.

He scored 1354 points, which is a point every 22.5 minutes.

That's 111 points he missed out on, just on averages.

Not a huge amount considering all players take some penalties in their career, but you also have to consider that being in the box also eliminates a lot of potential PP time - prime stuff for a guy like Shanny.

 

[bigbadbruins2011]

In the NHL now, I have to say Andrew Ladd. From everything I have seen, he seems to be a great player. All time, maybe somebody like Bill Guerin. He was truly a great player. Yea he made the all-star game but never talked about as one of the best of his era, which I think he was. Guys like Francis, Backstrom, and CuJo also have to be on that list.

 

[thekernel]

Jacques Plante never gets enough respect when the games best are being discussed.

I read his biography, and although it's not really my place to say who the best goalie ever was (considering I haven't seen many of them play in my lifetime), he certainly changed the game more than anyone, including Roy. I get unreasonably upset when people don't shortlist him.

 

[Joey Mac]

pierre turgeon seems to be pretty underrated. over a ppg player through the span of his career.

 

[Clark Gillies]

Hard to use both underrated and superstar in the same breath.
If they are considered a "superstar" they can't really be underrated.

As far as a true superstar, who is definitely acknowledged as such but often gets left out of a lot of "great" conversations is Mike Bossy.

I have been watching hockey for almost 50 years and he is the best pure goal scorer I have ever seen.

 

[Sasso09]

Backstrom
Giroux
Hall

 

[Sasso09]

I really doubt the majority of Philly fans feel this way. He's a terrific player, but I haven't seen Philly fans making claims like that. From what I've seen, they think he deserves credit for being the elite player and talent that he is(and he deserves that credit). Let's not make hyperbolic and absurd claims based on a very vocal minority that doesn't represent the fanbase.

That guy is a bruins fan and tbh I think Giroux is firmly a top 3 forward in this league, he's surpassed Stamkos. The guy has a legit chance of winning the Art Ross and Selke this year.

 

[Aceonfire*]

Not all of these may be TRUE superstars, but here goes:

Jaden Schwartz: does everything well and reminds me a bit of Toews
Nick Backstrom
Max Pacioretty
Alex Steen
Mark Giordano
Patrice Bergeron
Jakub Voracek
Blake Wheeler

Developing superstars: Johnny Gaudreau, Ryan Strome, Alex Galchenyuk

Pretty hard to call a guy that gets called everything from Johnny Hockey to GODreau
underrated..

The media loves the kid also.

 

[Captain Bowie]

No that's true. A lot of older players don't really get brought up amongst new fans, like Potvin, Dionne...

Those don't really count as old time players, since at least everyone has heard their dad talk about how good they were if they didn't see them themselves.

On this board outside of the dedicated few in the History of Hockey section players that get really underrated are early superstars like Howie Morenz, Red Kelly, and Milt Schmidt.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Those don't really count as old time players, since at least everyone has heard their dad talk about how good they were if they didn't see them themselves.

On this board outside of the dedicated few in the History of Hockey section players that get really underrated are early superstars like Howie Morenz, Red Kelly, and Milt Schmidt.

They're old players to majority of the people on HFboards. I began watching hockey in the 80's so I hardly remember Dionne, but PotvinI remember.

 

[Beantown Beatdown]

Certainly not a superstar but Ray Whitney was my first thought. Don't think he's been mentionedd yet. So clearly very underrated

 

[FlaPantherSwe*]

The word "superstar" makes me cringe.. But in my opinion Zetterberg

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

I wasn't even born when he was in his prime, but I've always had the impression that Marcel Dionne was under-appreciated despite being a top 5 all-time player.

I don't think Dionne is underrated anymore since almost everyone mentions his name in "most underrated" discussions. Plus, you massively overrated him there.

Anyways, I have to go with Taylor Hall as one of the more underrated stars in the game right now. So underrated that he got beat out by phantom LW Ovechkin and wasn't even considered a top-3 LW last year by the AHWA.