Post-Game Talk: Undermanned Jets lose 3-2

[LowLefty]

I thought they all played well enough to win. PP was the difference.

I also thought the PP was better than it has been - at least they were moving the puck around with speed.
Scheif put two shots way over the net with his one timer - traded in his stick - hope that was the issue.
But both those shots were rippers and he got them off in a hurry - I liked Scheif's game in that spot.

Wheels is trying to hit the seam more than he should and that would be the only call out on the PP that I would make - probably because Rosie is in the slot rather than Scheif - and Rosie was not setting up well in that position - he was always tangled up with a defender.

I'd work on the PP as a priority - the rest looks OK considering our manpower issues

 

[Jets 31]

If ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry Xmas. We have these "if only" games far too frequently. Let's add up the games where our "big guns" have failed to score a goal.

Connor - 40 games
Scheifele - 42 games
Laine - 42 games
Ehlers - 45 games
Wheeler - 49 games

On too many nights, our scorers just aren't getting the job done. In some cases, at both ends of the ice. Even with our supposed AHL defensive corps, there should be enough firepower on this team to overcome them. Something's amiss, no pun intended. I'm not prepared to chalk this all up to bad puck luck.

I know where your going and so does he .

 

[gojetsgo]

well lets go florida, cbj and caps!

 

[gojetsgo]

must be getting some guys back!

 

[Atoyot]

If ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry Xmas. We have these "if only" games far too frequently. Let's add up the games where our "big guns" have failed to score a goal.

Connor - 40 games
Scheifele - 42 games
Laine - 42 games
Ehlers - 45 games
Wheeler - 49 games

On too many nights, our scorers just aren't getting the job done. In some cases, at both ends of the ice. Even with our supposed AHL defensive corps, there should be enough firepower on this team to overcome them. Something's amiss, no pun intended. I'm not prepared to chalk this all up to bad puck luck.

Connor has 33 goals in 67 games. If he doesn't have goals in 40 that means he has scored those 33 goals in 27 games. Which means the absolute best he could have done in this ridiculous metric is 34 games where he has failed to score a goal, as a premier goal scorer in the league.

The point I'm trying to make is that I don't think you'll find much difference between our guys and the rest of the league using this metric.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

must be getting some guys back!

Or is it to let them play in today’s game?

 

[nhlpro]

Great way to blow getting a least a point boys!!

 

[wpgfishfan]

The injuries aren’t that bad guys. It’s only our 1D, 2D, 1RW, 2C, 3C and 5 depth players that are out right now.

1D quit the team due to a variety of reasons
2D is day to day minor injury
1RW is day to day minor injury
2C we gave up a first the last 2 trade deadlines so he's really a 3C
3c see above

Real tired of how everyone is blaming injuries which will give Chevy and Maurice another full year. Look at Tarasenko or Crosby now Stamkos or what Colorado went through.

 

[Weezeric]

Absolutely!

This is nothing that a solid coach can’t cover that up with some solid Xs and Os on the old chalkboard.

I’m appalled that Maurice hasn’t been able to coach Bitetto to play like Byfuglien! Coach harder!!

 

[wpgfishfan]

I agree and i don't want to sound too negative because i thought Wheeler played well last night . It's just that when he get's the puck on the PP time stands still and so does he . You've got to keep the PK and the goalie moving , it helps tire them all out .

With Laine out I was hoping Wheeler would go to his side where a shot is an option and put Ehlers where Wheeler was

 

[Eyeseeing]

The odds are gradually getting longer. We need to have one hell of a March and early April. Realistically we need to go something like 10-5 during that stretch. On the positive side a lot of the games are against teams we are fighting with.

I’ve resigned myself to the fact that we likely won’t.
It’s actually made watching the games easier.
The WC chase is going to look like drunks stumbling to the bar to beat last call.
Who knows which one will be the last one standing.

 

[gojetsgo]

1D quit the team due to a variety of reasons
2D is day to day minor injury
1RW is day to day minor injury
2C we gave up a first the last 2 trade deadlines so he's really a 3C
3c see above

Real tired of how everyone is blaming injuries which will give Chevy and Maurice another full year. Look at Tarasenko or Crosby now Stamkos or what Colorado went through.

yea our injuries are not a problem, we should be fine with a 4th line of ahlers and 50 games of bitetto and sbisa.

 

[Larabee]

myers and chiarot walked for nothing because we had no cap space at all... and what decision were they suppose to make on buff? if you followed the situation you would know that there hands were tied up until a couple of weeks ago.

I don’t agree. It’s ok to go into training camp above the cap limit. Injuries always happen that allow you to borrow cap space room. Other GMs know how to juggle the cap space. Chevy does not.

 

[bustamente]

I’ve resigned myself to the fact that we likely won’t.
It’s actually made watching the games easier.
The WC chase is going to look like drunks stumbling to the bar to beat last call.
Who knows which one will be the last one standing.

Slowly, very slowly I am also going in this direction, just to many circumstances against us at this point of the season, but until the very last loss that puts us out I wont give up on squeaking in.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Connor is going to hit 40.

 

[gojetsgo]

I don’t agree. It’s ok to go into training camp above the cap limit. Injuries always happen that allow you to borrow cap space room. Other GMs know how to juggle the cap space. Chevy does not.

I think people are also forgetting that we had 2 holdouts in training camp, we sign myers and chiarot or any other d in that range and we got an offer sheet well we would most likely be losing our 1st round pick. I also love that when we had these players everyone complained about them and now that they are gone people complain that we didn't sign them. When ever I see vancouver fans talk about myers is that he's horrible and not worth his contract.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Connor has 33 goals in 67 games. If he doesn't have goals in 40 that means he has scored those 33 goals in 27 games. Which means the absolute best he could have done in this ridiculous metric is 34 games where he has failed to score a goal, as a premier goal scorer in the league.

The point I'm trying to make is that I don't think you'll find much difference between our guys and the rest of the league using this metric.

Pastrnak 32 games
Matthews 32 games
Ovechkin 35 games
Draisaitl 35 games

Connor's scoring consistency is acceptable, I included him for completeness. Although for a guy with such sweet hands, he has kacked on quite a few Grade AAA+ chances. And honestly, I don't even expect that much from Old Man Wheeler any more. It's those middle 3 whose disappearing acts get most on my nerves. Ehlers especially in the playoffs.

And no @Jets 31, I don't put all of this on Maurice's offensive strategies. I think maybe our transmission is stuck in low gear because we don't have a clutch.

 

[Larabee]

I think people are also forgetting that we had 2 holdouts in training camp, we sign myers and chiarot or any other d in that range and we got an offer sheet well we would most likely be losing our 1st round pick. I also love that when we had these players everyone complained about them and now that they are gone people complain that we didn't sign them. When ever I see vancouver fans talk about myers is that he's horrible and not worth his contract.

Chariot is the guy we needed to sign. Tanev as well. We could have signed them and matched any offer sheet for Laine and Connor. Just needed some creative thinking from our GM.

 

[macmaroon]

Just for fun, I looked at the Winnipeg Jets team photo from back in 2012-2013 and this year, and a lot has changed...

Good thing they don't make Cooperalls any more....

 

[gojetsgo]

Chariot is the guy we needed to sign. Tanev as well. We could have signed them and matched any offer sheet for Laine and Connor. Just needed some creative thinking from our GM.

again if we sign those guys we would lose our 1st, plus I like tanev but in no way I would ever consider giving him a 6 year contract

 

[JetsFan815]

Valiant effort by the Jets but points are the only thing that matter at this stage. Those losses in January and early Feb where they were playing like an AHL team haunting them. There would have been more wiggle room to lose the "played well but the bounces didn't go the right way" type games that are bound to inevitably happen had it not been for that.

 

[voyageur]

Our PP has been horrible as of late. Our lack of going to the front of the net really hurts us some nights. Perhaps try Harkin's or Appleton ii n the slot. Neither of them are scared to get dirty.

Special Teams were the killer. Our PK was bad. We gave up the back door so easily.

I thought the first call was bunk.

But the PP killed us even more. With a chance to make it 3-1, take a penalty. 2-2. Chance to tie it up and garbage. The 1st PP stayed out too long, sapped the momentum. Kulikov and De Melo probably shouldn't be on the PP. But there they are at the end of the PP, turning the puck over, and taking a penalty to tie up the game. I have no idea why Harkins isn't playing on the PP. Or why Ehlers can't make the 1st unit. Roslovic did not even get a single pass last night. It was frickin obvious that Wheeler was looking for Scheifele. With a pass that has to get past two defensive sticks. Like mix it up. MOVE a little for God's sake. Put Wheeler in a different spot, let Ehlers control the half wall. Just piss poor execution. And while it is the players who make the plays, the coaching is static.

Darnell Nurse had a man's game for Edmonton. I though both Kulikov and Beaulieu had strong games for the Jets, but there they are, 2 guys that can be singled out for the 2nd and 3rd Edmonton goals. Emphasizing how much we need Morrissey in the lineup.

Jets don't have enough men left. I mean we are one line team with Laine out.

Anyways I am not going to lose my head over a hockey game. The beer still tasted good last night.

 

[GNP]

Chariot is the guy we needed to sign. Tanev as well. We could have signed them and matched any offer sheet for Laine and Connor. Just needed some creative thinking from our GM.

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I think Chevy did what he could do in both these cases of Chiarot and Tanev. Chevy thought Buff was coming back, and only had so much money to spend --so he made an offer to Chiarot, but it was a little short of what Montreal offered, and for less term. It's all he could do.

With Tanev -- what are you going to do ?? everyone on this board, thought Tanev was only worth $ 1.5 to 1.8 mil, and he got over $ 3mil from the Penns.

I think any smart GM, would have did exactly what Chevy did, and that's to be fiscally responsible, and limit his offer those guys.
If Chevy would have known the Buff situation in "advance" it's very likely Chiarot would still be with us, and maybe Tanev as well, although I don't think he would have went that much $$$ on Tanev.--like over $ 3mil ??

I liked both of these players a lot, and their inclusion into the team this season, may have made the difference on whether or not we make the playoffs.

The moral of the story for a GM --is sometimes, you can't keep everyone.

 

[Adam da bomb]

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I think Chevy did what he could do in both these cases of Chiarot and Tanev. Chevy thought Buff was coming back, and only had so much money to spend --so he made an offer to Chiarot, but it was a little short of what Montreal offered, and for less term. It's all he could do.

With Tanev -- what are you going to do ?? everyone on this board, thought Tanev was only worth $ 1.5 to 1.8 mil, and he got over $ 3mil from the Penns.

I think any smart GM, would have did exactly what Chevy did, and that's to be fiscally responsible, and limit his offer those guys.
If Chevy would have known the Buff situation in "advance" it's very likely Chiarot would still be with us, and maybe Tanev as well, although I don't think he would have went that much $$$ on Tanev.--like over $ 3mil ??

I liked both of these players a lot, and their inclusion into the team this season, may have made the difference on whether or not we make the playoffs.

The moral of the story for a GM --is sometimes, you can't keep everyone.

Apple can be a different kind of Tanev. Less fast and tenacious, more skilled and skilled/smart.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Good effort, special teams the difference yet again

That PP of the Oil is good.
Jets PK was doing a great job killing that first penalty. Then bang.
The PK never got their feet under them in the 2nd penalty. Helle never had a chance.

Our PP had their chances. Couldn't bury it. But the whole strategy is a fail. They need to move with the puck as well as move the puck. The players without the puck need to be moving before they get the puck. They need more bodies in close. This perimeter play trying to set up the one-timers is bullcrap.