The Columbus Dispatch: Umberger wants out (Dispatch link post #276)

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Xoggz22

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The money being discussed should be earmarked for a Dubinsky extension July 1st. He can play C or W and, to me, is every bit the option Callahan would be. Probably less expensive too. If Umby goes I think its to open a spot for a younger player like Wennberg(maybe not this year but the following).

Keep Dubi, forget Callahan and who knows what management is thinking on Umby...
 

Viqsi

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Like any management who has a player who isn't producing and is signed to a big deal, the Jackets decided to give RJU every opportunity to make it work. He didn't

Except, y'know, for the part where he did but you opted to dismiss it as a fluke, on the basis that it hadn't happened before - y'know, much like his getting scratched.

Given that, am I allowed to dismiss his being scratched as a fluke as well? Or does that actually still have to count? I'm not sure of the standards for admissible evidence here, so clarification would be appreciated.

small samples of adequate playoff production from five and six years ago

"Adequate"? He's got almost twice the goals per playoff game of our newly signed Invincible Playoff Hero - you know, the guy who we signed to a longer contract for ~$1m/more per year for the same regular season production who we MIGHT get back in the second round if we make it that far.

"Adequate". :shakehead

I concede that it's been a while, but your characterization of his historical production is disingenuous at best, and potentially outright duplicitous.

He'll be very lucky to get more than a two year deal once he's amnestied. Most likely he'll get a one year deal for less than $2 million.

This is wonderfully circular. First, assume it's a foregone conclusion that he's amnestied. Then, propose that he'd have to be fortunate to get something like a "prove-it" contract after that occurs - which would normally be the case for someone who's amnestied, because, y'know, he was amnestied - and then bring that up in support of the notion that he should be amnestied to begin with. "He'll get a sucky prove-it contract once we amnesty him, therefore we need to amnesty him!"

I'm still waiting for suggestions as to who you think would actually be better and would not be even more overpaid. I'm beginning to suspect you don't have any.

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By teh way, Viqsi, I agree Callahan would be more overpaid that RJ. But as noted by Lee previously, there seems to be something going on in regard to Callahan and JD that will come to fruition in the off season. Callahan does play "CBJ style" hockey.

Didn't say it wasn't impossible, just that I don't think it's the most sensible move out there. I'd prefer to add instead of replace - and if we must replace, then, well, Tropp and Frattin are easily dropped and obviously even less trusted by HCTR.

I also seem to recall hearing that Callahan would love to stay in TB, but 1) that seems to always happen with this sort of thing and 2) I don't have any solid sources for that so it may well just be standard hearsay.
 

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Okay I have been waiting to toss this one out till after the playoffs but here goes.How about we buyout Umberger and throw an absurd amount at Jarome Iginla for a two year deal. He's a RW, he fits the Jacket mold and he is better than Umbie. He can easily fit under the cap and gives us a top line of Jenner-Joey-Jarome and a second of Foligno-Arty-Horton. He would make us infinitely better next year and allow two years for Rychel, Wennberg, Dano and Bjorkstrand to develop. If he wins the Cup this year I would think the chances of buying him would be better but who knows.

Slim chance but that is a pipe dream worth having.
 

Viqsi

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Okay I have been waiting to toss this one out till after the playoffs but here goes.How about we buyout Umberger and throw an absurd amount at Jarome Iginla for a two year deal. He's a RW, he fits the Jacket mold and he is better than Umbie. He can easily fit under the cap and gives us a top line of Jenner-Joey-Jarome and a second of Foligno-Arty-Horton. He would make us infinitely better next year and allow two years for Rychel, Wennberg, Dano and Bjorkstrand to develop. If he wins the Cup this year I would think the chances of buying him would be better but who knows.

Slim chance but that is a pipe dream worth having.
Iginla makes $1.8m this year. Buying out Umberger is hardly a prerequisite. ;)

Heck, it's hardly a prereq for my own crazy fantasy along those lines, which involves Jaromir Jagr.


Frankly, I think the only crazy fantasy acquisition that would oblige us to buy him out would be getting two of Vanek and one of those other big name wingers. Which is a cute idea but astronomically unlikely to happen even if we try really really hard.
And historically that hasn't worked so well anyways - remember how unfair it was that one time when the Rangers got both Drury and Gomez? :laugh:
 

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Keep Dubi, forget Callahan and who knows what management is thinking on Umby...

My thoughts as well. I don't see the point in buying out an overpaid Umberger just to overpay Callahan. If they can find a trade for Umberger, great. Otherwise, I'm fine with him being in the bottom 6 of this team next year. We know what we are going to get at a minimum even if we were hoping for more when he signed that contract. I'm more interested to see if Atkinson can take the next step and become a more consistent scoring threat in the top 6.
 

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Maybe we should just suspend this conversation until after the playoffs.

He's supposed to have another level in the playoff's. Let's see if that is true after a few years of abuse.
 

Samkow

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Umberger certainly has another gear in the playoffs. Unfortunately, that gear is down from what he usually plays at.

Hope we're seeing last of him. If he clears the puck on that 4th goal, we might be celebrating a Jackets OT win.
 
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Doug19

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This is kind of an awkward thing to respond to, because there's a mistaken presumption at the core of the statement. Is it a coincidence? Of course not; it's a planned action by Richards, who's trying to motivate Umberger to do better because he (and we) know he has done better and so can do better. However, does that imply anything at all w/r/t actions that may or may not be made by Kekalainen? Not at all.

The sorts of GMs that tell their coaches who they should be playing and who they should be scratching are guys like Doug MacLean. I would be extremely hesitant to characterize JK thusly on so little evidence. :)

Sure whatever you say. Surely the coach not trusting a highly paid player to play says nothing to the GM. I'm sure the coach and GM don't talk at all about personnel. You say it is a motivational tool, maybe it's just a hey, you aren't giving us the best chance to win, I'll play someone in your place that will. You can claim anything is a motivational tool, frankly Umby is 0-2 so far in showing up this post season. He's got probably only a couple of games left in a Blue Jackets sweater, and I thank the hockey gods for that.
 

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Except, y'know, for the part where he did but you opted to dismiss it as a fluke, on the basis that it hadn't happened before - y'know, much like his getting scratched.

Given that, am I allowed to dismiss his being scratched as a fluke as well? Or does that actually still have to count? I'm not sure of the standards for admissible evidence here, so clarification would be appreciated.

Getting scratched was not a fluke. That was the result of RJUs lackluster to piss poor play.

Scoring 3.09 goals per 60 minutes 5 vs. 4 when his previous high was roughly half that is a fluke. Deal with it.


"Adequate"? He's got almost twice the goals per playoff game of our newly signed Invincible Playoff Hero - you know, the guy who we signed to a longer contract for ~$1m/more per year for the same regular season production who we MIGHT get back in the second round if we make it that far.

"Adequate". :shakehead

I concede that it's been a while, but your characterization of his historical production is disingenuous at best, and potentially outright duplicitous.

His Philadelphia performance was six years ago and happened when he was up and coming. He is no longer up and coming.

His 3 goal in 4 game performance with the Jackets is a ridiculously small sample. Jack Johnson has 3 goals in 3 games this season. Should we take that as a reliable indicator of future goal production in the playoffs?


This is wonderfully circular. First, assume it's a foregone conclusion that he's amnestied. Then, propose that he'd have to be fortunate to get something like a "prove-it" contract after that occurs - which would normally be the case for someone who's amnestied, because, y'know, he was amnestied - and then bring that up in support of the notion that he should be amnestied to begin with. "He'll get a sucky prove-it contract once we amnesty him, therefore we need to amnesty him!"

I'm still waiting for suggestions as to who you think would actually be better and would not be even more overpaid. I'm beginning to suspect you don't have any.

He will get a "sucky prove-it contract"...if he is lucky. Like the term.....will be using it in the future and may forget to give credit for source:laugh:

There will be plenty of players who could take RJUs postion and perform much better for much less money. Jarmo will be hard-pressed to spend the RJU amnesty cap dollars for a worse performance than RJU has given.
 
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EDM

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RJ is not doing himself any favors with his play in these games against the Pens.
 

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his awfully timed TOs last night were bad...just continues my desire to no longer see him here...we need to cut losses and then upgrade him...
 

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I've been holding out for Umby to see what he could bring in the playoffs. But after last night I am ready to see him go, he is playing these playoffs like he did last season, horrible. Maybe that's money that can be better used in the offseason, which I hope isn't very soon.
 

Doug19

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But Umby is bad, and he is continuing to show it nightly. I'm waiting for his supposed playoff gear, but he doesn't have one. He looks exactly the same as he did in the regular season. He's a 3rd to 4th line guy at this point and his stupid pass/turnover to Murray yesterday pretty much sealed the deal on our loss last night.
 

SuperGenius

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In looking at Capgeek for how much longer his contract is, the other one just as bad as this one is Boll making $1.7m to be a playoff paper weight, ouch!

Bad comparison. Boll is paid to be Boll and essentially for the regular season. The league is full of guys who play that role who lose usefulness in the playoffs. That does not mean they are worthless or "bad"
 

blahblah

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Bad comparison. Boll is paid to be Boll and essentially for the regular season. The league is full of guys who play that role who lose usefulness in the playoffs. That does not mean they are worthless or "bad"

Perhaps; however at 1.7 that seems to be a pretty expensive "luxury".
 

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Hey all. Long time no see. Umby sucks. Plain and simple. He is getting into FedorOFF territory for me. Way overpaid and way underperformed. His turnover directly lead to that goal. Just a BRUTAL turnover. May be the worst hockey turnover I have seen in a long time. Trade idea. Umby for Dorsett. Would love to see Dorsett on this team agian.
 

blahblah

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That's a different discussion, certainly.

Certainly a different thread. But I'd rather have a 1.7 mill luxury over a 4.6 one. I know he had 18 goals and the team in PP goals; but it's hard to watch him struggle right now and suggest that he's a player we want to keep. He is our second highest paid forward. Plays like the one last game can lead to a "last straw" attitude by management.

This is supposed to be his time. He has to make amends for that mental mistake.

But as I've said before; this is probably more of a roster spot issue than a cap or budget issue. We already decided to pass on Prospal to give other kids more ice time. Maybe that is going to be a strategy consideration next season as well. Also, if they are planning on parting ways, a trade (with perhaps keeping some salary) might be more of what they might look to do. Florida is looking to spend to the cap and are great for making horrible decisions and they are in the other division.

Remember it's 3 more years after this. The odds of him improving are getting to be almost non-existent. He's now considered a depreciating asset based on his age.

He ended up with 11 minutes. I'm almost ready to ask for Tropp to come back in for him. If he doesn't make a positive contribution tonight, I will call for it.
 
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