The Columbus Dispatch: Umberger wants out (Dispatch link post #276)

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DJA

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RJ must truly hate Richards. Only way I can see this making sense. Guy has lived here for quite some time, went to school here, is signed for several more years at a ridiculously awesome salary that probably goes further here than any city in the NHL, has a no trade clause, contributed to a team that is on the upswing and is just now starting to finally get the locals on its side, and he wants to throw that away?
 

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So now that it appears that Umbie won't be here who plays the RW with Foligno & Arty?

Does this open a spot for Wennberg if he stars in camp?

UFA? Iggy, Vrbata, Callahan?

Trade return? Don't see us getting that good of a return.

Current roster? Skille? Letestu? Comeau?

The most glaring roster problem to me to be addressed this season (will be if Umbie stays too :sarcasm:)

My prediction is that we throw piles of money at Callahan.
 

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This is a gosh darn great day. Suns a shining beautifully, mother nature thought she'd give us a beautiful day to celebrate this amazing news.
 

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I just still like Umby and I realize I'm one of the few. Hence the sadness. But there's no denying his play hasn't been what it needs to be and this will pave the way for good things to happen so I'll be happy about that.

And did I miss something about us and Callahan? I guess I remember hearing we were maybe in on him at the deadline but folks seem adamant that we will make an effort to get him. I just don't recall when he became our number one guy to target.
 

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RJ must truly hate Richards. Only way I can see this making sense. Guy has lived here for quite some time, went to school here, is signed for several more years at a ridiculously awesome salary that probably goes further here than any city in the NHL, has a no trade clause, contributed to a team that is on the upswing and is just now starting to finally get the locals on its side, and he wants to throw that away?

This was the first thing that occurred to me as well. Of course, it came after the postseason player-management meetings, so maybe he didn't like what he heard there - diminished role, maybe even a buyout was floated?
 

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If you compliance buyout Umbie you dont have to keep any capmoney because of him. Anyways i hope Umby finds his way to Crosbys line.
 

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Which is a better scenario for Columbus?

A)Trade him for another bad contract/player who is struggling and hope that a trade to Columbus turns things around?

Some players
Rene Bourque-Like Umberger, has a limited NTC. Has two more years left at $3,333,333 a season. Habs did have interest in Umberger earlier this season. Bourque had a great first round but disappeared in the second round. Seems like he went back to being lazy. If Richards can get him to keep playing hockey then he will score but if he stays lazy, he will drive, the coaches,management,teammates, and the fans crazy.

Ville Leino-Buffalo wants a vet with leadership, maybe Umberger can help? But I doubt he is willing to accept a trade to Buffalo. Has three more years at $4,500,000 so essentially it will be a wash on cap hit/salary. He had a whopping 0 goals(10 in the last 3 seasons although he only played 8 games last season) this year. Is it because he sucks now, bad luck, or wasn't used in the right situation in Buffalo? I did see him score a nice shootout goal, maybe he's good at that and can help in the shootout.

B)In order to get rid of Umberger, we need to package him with assets and get essentially nothing in return.

So lets say Umberger + 2nd round pick +3rd round pick
for
7th round pick
 

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Which is a better scenario for Columbus?

A)Trade him for another bad contract/player who is struggling and hope that a trade to Columbus turns things around?

Some players
Rene Bourque-Like Umberger, has a limited NTC. Has two more years left at $3,333,333 a season. Habs did have interest in Umberger earlier this season. Bourque had a great first round but disappeared in the second round. Seems like he went back to being lazy. If Richards can get him to keep playing hockey then he will score but if he stays lazy, he will drive, the coaches,management,teammates, and the fans crazy.

Ville Leino-Buffalo wants a vet with leadership, maybe Umberger can help? But I doubt he is willing to accept a trade to Buffalo. Has three more years at $4,500,000 so essentially it will be a wash on cap hit/salary. He had a whopping 0 goals(10 in the last 3 seasons although he only played 8 games last season) this year. Is it because he sucks now, bad luck, or wasn't used in the right situation in Buffalo? I did see him score a nice shootout goal, maybe he's good at that and can help in the shootout.

B)In order to get rid of Umberger, we need to package him with assets and get essentially nothing in return.

So lets say Umberger + 2nd round pick +3rd round pick
for
7th round pick

C - Trade him for basically nothing while retaining some of his salary
 

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If we trade for Ville Leino... well it's not going to be good. He's living off 1 good playoffs, dude straight up sucks
 

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Purely a face saving PR stunt. Nothing wrong with it. Gives the Umberger camp and the CBJ an opportunity to take the position that he wanted out and that the amnesty buyout was done as a favor to a long term player just because a trade "couldn't be worked out".

Umberger could completely wave any restrictions on where he would go and he's still completely untradeable. A Ville Leino garbage in garbage out kind of "trade" not withstanding. The Jackets management and ownership aren't going the GIGO route with RJU.

Don't feel bad for Umberger. He'll walk with $9.11 million due him over the next six years with his compliance buyout (2/3rd of $13.8 million). Some team will probably offer him a one year, $1.5 million "prove yourself" contract to him as well.
 

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I really do not think he is "untradeable". He can be packaged with one of our young d-men and a second round pick for something of value.
 

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Well I'm glad. It took a while to get most of you on board but the bottom line is he's lost A LOT the last couple years. It was very noticeable to me way back, about 10-15 games after the guys got back from the lockout. Guys we're starting to get their legs under them and Umby still looked like he's was floating around at a OSU practice with a dip in.

Funny thing to me is that just months ago some of you were still claiming he was our most dangerous PP threat and 20 goal scorer. Even more funny is the amount of fans of other teams who would name him as 1 of maybe 4 guys or so as a key guy for us going into the playoffs.

1 down 1 to go. (Wiz)
 

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Well then this all leads to the question. What is umbys trade value


Well, it depends on who the trade is made with and if it is straight up or part of a package. My guess is he could be had for say a 2nd & 3rd. Maybe a prospect and a 2nd. Not much more than that. We may have to retain some salary.
 

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Too many characterizing this as a trade demand. The article specifically refers to it as a mutual decision. Let's not lose sight of that...or am I being too naive? I don't think so..
 

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Too many characterizing this as a trade demand. The article specifically refers to it as a mutual decision. Let's not lose sight of that...or am I being too naive? I don't think so..

Does it make a difference? Kind of like "resigning" to pursue other opportunities versus being terminated?

My guess it is probably a bit of pressure to get Umby to waive what will remain of his NTC after 7/1 or possibly all of it now? I'm thinking the message was "you don't fit in going forward" so here are the options.

Nothing against the guy personally so I hope he winds up somewhere where he will fit in. Maybe the Bruins? They aren't exactly a speed oriented team. Sharks? Of course it doesn't help them get younger. Vancouver? Same issue.

3 big problems I see in trading Umbie:

1) His contract ( could be mitigated if we retain $)
2) His declining stats (although Gabby's had declined too)
3) His lack of speed

Who knows. He did score 18 goals.

Again right situation.

Although failing to find a trading partner I see buyout more clearly now than ever. How do you keep him?
 

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Things aren't as bad as they seem...

In my opinion, the positives of RJ Umberger requesting a trade heavily outweigh the negatives.

For starters, he's an aging middle-6 forward who is being easily surpassed by younger, quicker, more skilled options. Secondly, his contract ($4.6 million per year hit over the next three years) is ugly for a guy of his production. Certainly, the dollars were right when he was signed, but we all knew the term was too long and that he would be too old when it expired. So in essence, he's an overpaid third line player for us.

The bright side? Well, he's 32 years old, at the end of his prime, but still has maybe 4-5 years left in the league. So, he will (barring injury) at least play out the rest of his contract with some level of productivity. Unfortunately for us, he (clearly) wasn't a fit here, but we do have an asset that is a good powerplay performer, can still pot 20-30 goals, and plays in every situation. So, if we can do a salary swap with another team needing to move a guy to a new situation, or find a team in need of a middle-6 powerplay specialist, we're in good shape. We'll get some sort of return, and I don't think we'll have to give up any core assets to do it. Some thoughts on potential trade destinations:

I have to think that RJ's list of 10 teams that he won't go to includes Calgary (rebuild), Edmonton (rebuild), Florida (rebuild), Nashville (rebuild), New Jersey (Rebuild), New York Islanders (rebuild), and Vancouver (Ryan Kesler) ... that's my guess at 7 of them. The others, take your pick.

As for potential fits, the first name that comes to mind is Anaheim. They have the cap space to fit him, and it seems like it's been an eternity that they've been looking for a fit alongside Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry. Umberger could be that fit; a guy that can be a finisher and plays a style similar to their own. Carolina and Pittsburgh seem like obvious choices as well, but would we trade him within the division? And on that note, why not our old trade partners in New York (Rangers) or Philly? Detroit has a knack for finding guys in their silver years and turning them into quality players, so there's potential that they would show interest. Montreal may show interest - especially if they don't win the Cup this year. San Jose is doing a complete overhaul, might they be in the market for a big bodied, veteran forward? Toronto, maybe.

As for what the return would be, it's hard to speculate on that. One thought that came to mind may be a potential UFA that we're looking to get in on; for example perhaps Ryan Callahan? Maybe trade Umberger conditionally to the Lightning for Callahan, and if he doesn't sign with us, make the condition a middle-round pick. Umberger could do quite well in front of the net with Stamkos firing one-timers that way. Realistically, I think we're looking at a middling prospect, a similar player/contract to Umberger's own, or a mid-round draft pick.

Unfortunately, with this request being broadcast to the entire league, I think the value goes down a little bit.
 

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In my opinion, the positives of RJ Umberger requesting a trade heavily outweigh the negatives.

For starters, he's an aging middle-6 forward who is being easily surpassed by younger, quicker, more skilled options. Secondly, his contract ($4.6 million per year hit over the next three years) is ugly for a guy of his production. Certainly, the dollars were right when he was signed, but we all knew the term was too long and that he would be too old when it expired. So in essence, he's an overpaid third line player for us.

The bright side? Well, he's 32 years old, at the end of his prime, but still has maybe 4-5 years left in the league. So, he will (barring injury) at least play out the rest of his contract with some level of productivity. Unfortunately for us, he (clearly) wasn't a fit here, but we do have an asset that is a good powerplay performer, can still pot 20-30 goals, and plays in every situation. So, if we can do a salary swap with another team needing to move a guy to a new situation, or find a team in need of a middle-6 powerplay specialist, we're in good shape. We'll get some sort of return, and I don't think we'll have to give up any core assets to do it. Some thoughts on potential trade destinations:

I have to think that RJ's list of 10 teams that he won't go to includes Calgary (rebuild), Edmonton (rebuild), Florida (rebuild), Nashville (rebuild), New Jersey (Rebuild), New York Islanders (rebuild), and Vancouver (Ryan Kesler) ... that's my guess at 7 of them. The others, take your pick.

As for potential fits, the first name that comes to mind is Anaheim. They have the cap space to fit him, and it seems like it's been an eternity that they've been looking for a fit alongside Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry. Umberger could be that fit; a guy that can be a finisher and plays a style similar to their own. Carolina and Pittsburgh seem like obvious choices as well, but would we trade him within the division? And on that note, why not our old trade partners in New York (Rangers) or Philly? Detroit has a knack for finding guys in their silver years and turning them into quality players, so there's potential that they would show interest. Montreal may show interest - especially if they don't win the Cup this year. San Jose is doing a complete overhaul, might they be in the market for a big bodied, veteran forward? Toronto, maybe.

As for what the return would be, it's hard to speculate on that. One thought that came to mind may be a potential UFA that we're looking to get in on; for example perhaps Ryan Callahan? Maybe trade Umberger conditionally to the Lightning for Callahan, and if he doesn't sign with us, make the condition a middle-round pick. Umberger could do quite well in front of the net with Stamkos firing one-timers that way. Realistically, I think we're looking at a middling prospect, a similar player/contract to Umberger's own, or a mid-round draft pick.

Unfortunately, with this request being broadcast to the entire league, I think the value goes down a little bit.

JK channeling XGMSH? :help:
 

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Like Cyclones Rock said, I don't think it was so much RJU just wanting out or hating Richards as much as acknowledging that a trade is much more desirable than his future role and scratches on this team. Plus if a buyout should happen, it's far more in Umberger's favor to be bought out due to a trade request not working than it being initiated by the organization.
 

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Too many characterizing this as a trade demand. The article specifically refers to it as a mutual decision. Let's not lose sight of that...or am I being too naive? I don't think so..

I mean, Portzline says he's asking out. It's a trade demand. What's debatable is whether it's justifiable.

I can't blame him. But I hope he realizes that the grass isn't always greener on the other side. He's not a top 6er on a contending team.

JK channeling XGMSH? :help:

I think the team leaked this news. Probably to increase the urgency of Umberger to leave and expand his trade list.
 
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