Prospect Info: U18 WJC

[Rzombo4 prez]

Svechkov?

I love him but think he is off the board by the time we get to the Washington pick.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Crap.... was hoping for him in round 2. Maybe we look at him with our Washington pick.

We won't see three goalies taken in the first round.

 

[Killerjas]

Lol 3 games played for Canada and you become a 1st round pick. Yeah no

 

[lilidk]

I love him but think he is off the board by the time we get to the Washington pick.

It's depends what he does in last 2 games

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

It's depends what he does in last 2 games

Nah, scouts have seen a lot of him this year and know who he is. Two more games won't move the needle too much

 

[lightthelamp13]

Hell of a 1st period by Edvinsson vs Canada.

 

[newfy]

Lol 3 games played for Canada and you become a 1st round pick. Yeah no

Gaudreau has been highly touted as a potential first rounder for a year or two. He was the 7th pick in his OHL draft, the next goalie taken was like 70 spots later. I dont think he ends up a first, but I bet he flirts with the first round.

 

[Go Wings]

Canada vs Russia, Bedard vs Michkov
Playing for gold on Thursday at 9pm EST
The way it should be.

 

[Killerjas]

Gaudreau has been highly touted as a potential first rounder for a year or two. He was the 7th pick in his OHL draft, the next goalie taken was like 70 spots later. I dont think he ends up a first, but I bet he flirts with the first round.

He isn't listed as a 1st round pick this year, matter of fact on Eliteprospects NO ONE has him ranked.
Has barely played this year. If someone wants to draft him in the 1st round, be my guest, but it is lunacy

 

[TheMule93]

It's a real shame we're trending upward ahead of the next two drafts that with potential generational talents, or franchise talents at the very least

The rebuild came at the worst imagineable time in terms of the talent in the drafts, and now the lottery changes which will make it near impossible to pick Wright/michkov/Bedard if we aren't a bottom 3 team

 

[steafo]

It's a real shame we're trending upward ahead of the next two drafts that with potential generational talents, or franchise talents at the very least

The rebuild came at the worst imagineable time in terms of the talent in the drafts, and now the lottery changes which will make it near impossible to pick Wright/michkov/Bedard if we aren't a bottom 3 team

Did the odds change? I suppose we still have a shot at winning the lottery (LAUGH) to snag one of them. I assume the divisions will revert back to what it was before which would strengthen our division a bit. Not to mention having to play the rest of the powerhouses across the league assuming regular scheduling is back. I am also assuming we may be a more "exciting team" with some youth infusion but I still don't see a major jump in standings.

 

[Larkin2AA]

It's a real shame we're trending upward ahead of the next two drafts that with potential generational talents, or franchise talents at the very least

The rebuild came at the worst imagineable time in terms of the talent in the drafts, and now the lottery changes which will make it near impossible to pick Wright/michkov/Bedard if we aren't a bottom 3 team

I'm not sure how much we should look at this season and see it as Detroit "trending upwards". I think we still have to take into account next season when Detroit goes back to its original division with the likes of Boston, Tampa Bay, Florida, Toronto, and even the Montreal who are trending up. We will get wins vs. Ottawa and Buffalo, but idk how much success we will find with playing those teams. I think Detroit finishes bottom 5 next year. The year after that you might see that just outside the top 10.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Did the odds change? I suppose we still have a shot at winning the lottery (LAUGH) to snag one of them. I assume the divisions will revert back to what it was before which would strengthen our division a bit. Not to mention having to play the rest of the powerhouses across the league assuming regular scheduling is back. I am also assuming we may be a more "exciting team" with some youth infusion but I still don't see a major jump in standings.

Maybe the mule is thinking the Wings will be a playoff bubble team and finish 14th worst or better.

 

[Oddbob]

I think next year we will be lower, simply from playing more of the good teams in the league. Hard to tell where we are based on this weird year, and even with that we have been getting outshot and out-chanced pretty badly in a fair number of our wins.

 

[TheMule93]

I'm not sure how much we should look at this season and see it as Detroit "trending upwards". I think we still have to take into account next season when Detroit goes back to its original division with the likes of Boston, Tampa Bay, Florida, Toronto, and even the Montreal who are trending up. We will get wins vs. Ottawa and Buffalo, but idk how much success we will find with playing those teams. I think Detroit finishes bottom 5 next year. The year after that you might see that just outside the top 10.

We'll be adding seider and maybe another young player or two. We'll be adding bertuzzi. I'm going to assume Larkin doesn't have another career worst year.

There's no way we don't continue trending upward barring catastrophic injuries

 

[Hen Kolland]

We'll be adding seider and maybe another young player or two. We'll be adding bertuzzi. I'm going to assume Larkin doesn't have another career worst year.

There's no way we don't continue trending upward barring catastrophic injuries

Do you think that we have actually trended upwards though? There are some steps that can be seen watching Zadina and Ras, but most other players did nothing more than stagnate. Erne had a career year.

Really we just...didn't give up. We saw mainly ugly hockey that was forced upon the other teams by the Red Wings, and it was moderately successful. Not in terms of winning, but in terms of not getting the doors blown off on a nightly basis. We still don't have the (developed) talent to outright beat other teams, and that isn't likely to change come next year. We are probably looking at another bottom 5 finish next year, and maybe, maybe we climb out of that hole by 2022-23, but we likely still won't be a bubble team.

 

[Winger98]

We have two more ROW in 27 fewer games than last year. If we extrapolate out for the same number of games we'd have 21 ROW in 71 games versus 14 last year.

Extrapolated over 71 games the Wings paced for 155 GF and 215 GA versus last season when they scored 145 and gave up 267.

Just our raw point% jumped from .275 to .414 (so far).

Yeah, the Wings played better hockey this year.

 

[FrolundaRedWings]

I'm also curious about what the NHL will do with back to backs next year. Detroit did a pretty good job of splitting those 2 game mini series. If the NHL goes back to a new team every night, I can see Detroit having a similar or worse winning percentage next year.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I love him but think he is off the board by the time we get to the Washington pick.

Samesies. I think someone sees Svechkov as easily projectable and takes him top 20, much like Chicago took Reichel last year.

 

[Larkin2AA]

We'll be adding seider and maybe another young player or two. We'll be adding bertuzzi. I'm going to assume Larkin doesn't have another career worst year.

There's no way we don't continue trending upward barring catastrophic injuries

Hen Kolland below explained it well.

We were stronger defensively this year which allowed us to get in a tighter game than we normally would have been in during the 19-20 season. We still could not produce any offense this year. If our top players take a step up next year and our powerplay becomes more successful, then sure, we could trend up slightly. However, that is a huge ask when we struggle to keep the puck in the offensive zone and spent most of the time defending this year.

We are also expecting Bernier continuing to play as well as he has, and Greiss holding his own again.

Do you think that we have actually trended upwards though? There are some steps that can be seen watching Zadina and Ras, but most other players did nothing more than stagnate. Erne had a career year.

Really we just...didn't give up. We saw mainly ugly hockey that was forced upon the other teams by the Red Wings, and it was moderately successful. Not in terms of winning, but in terms of not getting the doors blown off on a nightly basis. We still don't have the (developed) talent to outright beat other teams, and that isn't likely to change come next year. We are probably looking at another bottom 5 finish next year, and maybe, maybe we climb out of that hole by 2022-23, but we likely still won't be a lottery team.

 

[Pavels Dog]

It's a real shame we're trending upward ahead of the next two drafts that with potential generational talents, or franchise talents at the very least

The rebuild came at the worst imagineable time in terms of the talent in the drafts, and now the lottery changes which will make it near impossible to pick Wright/michkov/Bedard if we aren't a bottom 3 team

Not losing sleep over these kids. Lafreniere was talked about for years too. Very happy our worst years are lining up with these terrible Covid-ruined years.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Not losing sleep over these kids. Lafreniere was talked about for years too. Very happy our worst years are lining up with these terrible Covid-ruined years.

Yeah. I'd rather be historically bad in a year we lose the lotto and draft 4th, or drafting top 6 in a year where the top of the draft is considered pretty weak instead of the Wright/Lambert or Bedard/Michkov draft years.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

We will be better, but not that much better. We are also one Dylan Larkin injury away from being at the bottom again.

 

[newfy]

He isn't listed as a 1st round pick this year, matter of fact on Eliteprospects NO ONE has him ranked.
Has barely played this year. If someone wants to draft him in the 1st round, be my guest, but it is lunacy

I'm not saying everyone has him ranked as a first rounder right now, I'm saying hes been talked about potentially going high in his draft year. Hes barely played this year, like the rest of the players from the OHL so he'll probably fall a little further than he should. You dont get picked 7th in the OHL draft without having first round NHL potential. Dont be surprised if hes gone in the second round this year

It's a real shame we're trending upward ahead of the next two drafts that with potential generational talents, or franchise talents at the very least

The rebuild came at the worst imagineable time in terms of the talent in the drafts, and now the lottery changes which will make it near impossible to pick Wright/michkov/Bedard if we aren't a bottom 3 team

Lets not get too far ahead of ourselves. The wings trended up this year because there was no way they were gonna be worse. Buffalo had a really bad year given the talent level, but covid also affected them badly. Detroit is still battling it out for worst team in the league if this is a normal season.

And I know people think adding a bunch of young guys will automatically make the team better but there will be growing pains over the course of an 82 game season. Look at Ottawa this year, added a bunch of young talent which gave their fans something to look forward to but young guys dont usually defend great off the bat either. I fully expect Detroit to be right in the running for Wright or Lambert next year and dont be surprised if Vegas has Detroit as the favourite to finish dead last going into next season

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I'm not saying everyone has him ranked as a first rounder right now, I'm saying hes been talked about potentially going high in his draft year. Hes barely played this year, like the rest of the players from the OHL so he'll probably fall a little further than he should. You dont get picked 7th in the OHL draft without having first round NHL potential. Dont be surprised if hes gone in the second round this year



Lets not get too far ahead of ourselves. The wings trended up this year because there was no way they were gonna be worse. Buffalo had a really bad year given the talent level, but covid also affected them badly. Detroit is still battling it out for worst team in the league if this is a normal season.

And I know people think adding a bunch of young guys will automatically make the team better but there will be growing pains over the course of an 82 game season. Look at Ottawa this year, added a bunch of young talent which gave their fans something to look forward to but young guys dont usually defend great off the bat either. I fully expect Detroit to be right in the running for Wright or Lambert next year and dont be surprised if Vegas has Detroit as the favourite to finish dead last going into next season

Growing pains are totally fine. We're anxious for them. It would mean we're finally playing the kids.

What we're tired of is arthritic pains from over the hill vets like Nielsen, Abdelkader, Fillpula and guys like that.