Value of: Tyler Myers as a UFA.

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Let's say the Canucks bought him out, which I don't think is out of the realm of possibility what kind of contract does he get?

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[God]

why would they buy him out when his contract ends after next season

you would save like 667k at most on cap hit

 

[StickShift]

I don’t think he gets bought out—but I think the Canucks will be motivated to retain to move him this off-season.

Whoever acquires him in then will probably be able to flip him at a further 50% and get a decent return.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

why would they buy him out when his contract ends after next season

you would save like 667k at most on cap hit

On the surface you are correct, However Vancouver does things.

Things they shouldn't do, like trading a top 10 pick to take on OEL, and Garland's contract.

Or trading a 1st when they are rebuilding

Or signing JT Miller to 8X7

or Loui Eriksson to 6X6.

Vancouver does things

 

[TS Quint]

I think if Myers is in your top 4 youre in trouble. If hes on your bottom pair youre probably doing alright. How much do you want to pay a bottom pair defensemen? $2.5m x2 maybe.

 

[LemonSauceD]

After his 6M bonus is paid out, he should be easily more moveable. There will always be teams looking for a big RHD that can skate. Myers has also transformed into a more physical defenseman so teams will get an added boost in physicality. Defensively, he’s a trainwreck lol.

He’s worth about maybe a 3rd, definitely a 4th round pick.

 

[BonMorrison]

Some idiot GM will likely give him 4-5M.

 

[NoShowWilly]

On the surface you are correct, However Vancouver does things.

Things they shouldn't do, like trading a top 10 pick to take on OEL, and Garland's contract.

Or trading a 1st when they are rebuilding

Or signing JT Miller to 8X7

or Loui Eriksson to 6X6.

Vancouver does things

They'd save more on the cap by waiving him then buying him out. I might not agree with things the team does but they still do the job for a living. You are being silly.

 

[mouser]

After his 6M bonus is paid out, he should be easily more moveable. There will always be teams looking for a big RHD that can skate. Myers has also transformed into a more physical defenseman so teams will get an added boost in physicality. Defensively, he’s a trainwreck lol.

He’s worth about maybe a 3rd, definitely a 4th round pick.

I don't want to estimate his worth, but I agree after the signing bonus is paid he could easily be moved.

The major wrinkle is supposedly his signing bonus is scheduled to be paid Sept 15th.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

They'd save more on the cap by waiving him then buying him out. I might not agree with things the team does but they still do the job for a living. You are being silly.

I mean they have done all the things I mentioned and more, I didn't make those up.

 

[Icebreakers]

Some idiot GM will likely give him 4-5M.

Thats without question.

If Gudbranson can get 4x4 without even being an NHL calibre player , than Myers will get that much without an agent.

 

[canuckking1]

I mean they have done all the things I mentioned and more, I didn't make those up.

You made a list of bad trades or signings. Signing bad players thinking they'll be good doesn't equal buying someone out on an expiring deal when you'd save more cap waiving.

 

[Djp]

On the surface you are correct, However Vancouver does things.

Things they shouldn't do, like trading a top 10 pick to take on OEL, and Garland's contract.

Or trading a 1st when they are rebuilding

Or signing JT Miller to 8X7

or Loui Eriksson to 6X6.

Vancouver does things

Aren’t those people gone ? Though Toronto might be hiring them after they fire Dumbass.

 

[jackjohnson]

I don’t think he gets bought out—but I think the Canucks will be motivated to retain to move him this off-season.

Whoever acquires him in then will probably be able to flip him at a further 50% and get a decent return.

No need to retain, they could just trade him to Arizona with the full cap hit, while Arizona pays 1 mil instead of 6 mil after bonuses are paid out. They can get rid of him with a 3rd round pick attached

On the surface you are correct, However Vancouver does things.

Things they shouldn't do, like trading a top 10 pick to take on OEL, and Garland's contract.

Or trading a 1st when they are rebuilding

Or signing JT Miller to 8X7

or Loui Eriksson to 6X6.

Vancouver does things

You name all of the Bennings move when he is not here anymore? Might as well also include Luongo signing and Sundin signing too. Miller signing and trading a 1st for Hronek were actually fine and the rest are Benning moves which were terrible.

 

[biturbo19]

why would they buy him out when his contract ends after next season

you would save like 667k at most on cap hit

Yeah. Buying him out makes absolutely no sense. Saves them basically nothing next year, and adds half that $666k "savings" to the year after next.

Especially pointless to buy him out when once his bonus is paid out...he has barely any salary at all left to pay out. That'd make him attractive to cap floor teams. He's still a big tall giraffe of a RHD. Teams look for guys like that, even if he's often a bit of a circus defensively.


As far as a UFA contract...i wouldn't be surprised to see him sign on somewhere for something not too different from Gudbranson's contract. Not sure if the book is fully out on Myers at this point...but i wouldn't count on it, since i thought the book was out on Gudbranson, but a team still made that mistake out of desperation for a big RHD.

The better, more likely comp is probably Ceci. Similar sort of player in a lot of respects. So $3.25M for a few years sounds about right. Just have to be okay with have a #4/5 tweener at best for that price. A guy who you really don't want anywhere near your Top-4...but with the right partner and behind the right better guys, might be able to play fringe Top-4 minutes and survive.

 

[EK392000]

Something around Justin Holl's AAV of 2M is my guess at his value. Myers getting 3M wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Ovi895]

On the surface you are correct, However Vancouver does things.

Things they shouldn't do, like trading a top 10 pick to take on OEL, and Garland's contract.

Or trading a 1st when they are rebuilding

Or signing JT Miller to 8X7

or Loui Eriksson to 6X6.

Vancouver does things

Or signing a 40 year old Patrick Marleau to 3 years and then paying a 1st to move him

Or signing a player like JT Miller but worse to 11x7

Or finding a way to lose Verhaeghe, Marchment, Kadri, Hyman, Mikheyev, Malgin, Durzi, Brown, Moore, Andersen from their organization while needing depth to compete for a cup with nothing to show for any of it

Wait are we talking about Vancouver or Dubas

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Aren’t those people gone ? Though Toronto might be hiring them after they fire Dumbass.

2 of those moves, JT Miller and the Horonek trade were done by current management

No need to retain, they could just trade him to Arizona with the full cap hit, while Arizona pays 1 mil instead of 6 mil after bonuses are paid out. They can get rid of him with a 3rd round pick attached


You name all of the Bennings move when he is not here anymore? Might as well also include Luongo signing and Sundin signing too. Miller signing and trading a 1st for Hronek were actually fine and the rest are Benning moves which were terrible.

Horonek trade and signing JT Miller weren't Benning moves.

 

[oceanchild]

2 of those moves, JT Miller and the Horonek trade were done by current management



Horonek trade and signing JT Miller weren't Benning moves.

And the luongo signing was great until they changed the rules

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

On the surface you are correct, However Vancouver does things.

Things they shouldn't do, like trading a top 10 pick to take on OEL, and Garland's contract.

Or trading a 1st when they are rebuilding

Or signing JT Miller to 8X7

or Loui Eriksson to 6X6.

Vancouver does things

Cutting a guy when it doesn’t make any financial sense is completely different though- they spend too much on bad players, sure, but there’s no track record of cutting guys to save a few bucks.

 

[jackjohnson]

2 of those moves, JT Miller and the Horonek trade were done by current management



Horonek trade and signing JT Miller weren't Benning moves.

If you can read, then you can see that I said that and those aren't bad moves at all. Hronek is a top 4 D and we will see how he develops moving forward but it's a late 1st. JT Miller is performing like a 10 million dollar player at 8 million dollar Pay so how did you figure Miller contract is bad? Those are standard signings now, look at Horvat, Kadri, Huberdeau, etc. And see no player in his prime will sign a 3 to 4 year contract when he is 29 to 30 and scoring 100 points. Only HFboard experts think they can sign players to 4 year contracts when players look for long term contracts unless they like to play for charity

 

[TheSnipeshow91]

Will get 4 million even though he’s worth half that

 

[Breakers]

I like how this guy makes a thread about a buyout when notified it makes zero sense

And he goes into some tangent about things that have nothing to do with it

 

[Xirik]

Buffalo should bring him back and collect all the giraffes.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

On the surface you are correct, However Vancouver does things.

Things they shouldn't do, like trading a top 10 pick to take on OEL, and Garland's contract.

Or trading a 1st when they are rebuilding

Or signing JT Miller to 8X7

or Loui Eriksson to 6X6.

Vancouver does things

Most of those are under Benning. Miller's signing is mixed, but there's justifications to the signing.