I’ll admit I really haven’t watched him play in Columbus, but.....The guy made an NHL team and is moderately producing in the league as an 18 yr old.Silinger is a pure shooter with defensive limitations. He’s got average speed and if he can’t beat out Batherson/Norris he’s on PP2 not killing any penalties. This isn’t the type of player the Sens want.
I’ll admit I really haven’t watched him play in Columbus, but.....The guy made an NHL team and is moderately producing in the league as an 18 yr old.
Do you really believe he wouldn’t have a place on the Sens?
It's like Boucher is the anti-White or inverse White or something here.I don’t think the Sens believe he ever projects to PP1, PK1, PK2, or OT … the Sens don’t want guys who can only offer PP2 and nothing else. He projects like a Hoffman type player. Who knows where he lands but the Sens don’t want guys on their 2-3 lines that can only shoot, can’t skate, and won’t hit (battle, compete, separate pucks etc). Silinger is know as an average skater who is soft in his own end. Does that sound like a good winger for Jimmy?
So they took a guy who they think projects to run through walls who may score 5-20 less goals from the 2ND or 3RD line and can also play PP2 and PK1-2 … he’ll probably limit 5-20 goals vs a floater. He’s known to be a ferocious hitter, fast skater with a good shot.
Can't say I would have watched enough of Sillinger either to formulate such a detailed and accurate assessment. I wonder who amongst us really has?It's like Boucher is the anti-White or inverse White or something here.
Boucher has done nothing but indicate he was drafted way too high and hasn't shown progressions in his skills but you are totally bought in to his value.
I hope he turns in to a useful player for us but unless he turns it around big time I don't want him anywhere near Jimmy and you shouldn't either.
Let him run through a wall for someone on the 4th line.
It's like Boucher is the anti-White or inverse White or something here.
Boucher has done nothing but indicate he was drafted way too high and hasn't shown progressions in his skills but you are totally bought in to his value.
I hope he turns in to a useful player for us but unless he turns it around big time I don't want him anywhere near Jimmy and you shouldn't either.
Let him run through a wall for someone on the 4th line.
All of White, Bowers, and Lazar were drafted for their compete and attention to detail. None were drafted because of their skill or vision. Not one was considered a skill player at the draft, all were reliable safe players with high motor and compete. They are all much, much closer to Boucher than a guy like Brown.Ha … I agree with you … he is the opposite of White .. he hits and battles.
I think you should watch him play more. We all will in time. A 19 year old doesn't get derailed because of a few injures. I doubt the kings regret drafting Byfield. .
Every 19 year old taken has a lot of development hurdles to overcome. The point with Boucher is he has a foundation of elite skills that project to be the type of player the Sens want in their top 9…. He won’t be another White, Lazar, or Hoffman.
He might just be a 4th line player but that applies to every first round forward pick we have mid round (White, Lazar, Bowers, Brown etc) or he may hit his ceiling and be a valuable piece anywhere in the lineup.
All of the first round unsuccessful forwards we picked above are unsuccessful because they don’t compete hard enough and win enough battles. They were drafted for skating, vision, or shooting but not physicality, power, or a willingness to compete. So having failed 4 times in a row we’re changing things up… and I like it.
Unreal how much ink this player gets - last 1st round pick to be declared a bust so quickly was Brady Tkachuk
Boucher and the 2021 draft is just one of the few remaining avenues to chop down Dorion and co.
You're basing this on 1 game essentially.
They're one of the best teams in the league and they don't play soft. This was a one off, we beat a bunch of good teams and that doesn't make us better than them. We've also been beat by very bad teams. It's the way it is.
Carolina has an incredible team. Let's not get head of ourselves calling out great teams. We're still in the sewers.
Ha … I agree with you … he is the opposite of White .. he hits and battles.
I think you should watch him play more. We all will in time. A 19 year old doesn't get derailed because of a few injures. I doubt the kings regret drafting Byfield. .
Every 19 year old taken has a lot of development hurdles to overcome. The point with Boucher is he has a foundation of elite skills that project to be the type of player the Sens want in their top 9…. He won’t be another White, Lazar, or Hoffman.
He might just be a 4th line player but that applies to every first round forward pick we have mid round (White, Lazar, Bowers, Brown etc) or he may hit his ceiling and be a valuable piece anywhere in the lineup.
All of the first round unsuccessful forwards we picked above are unsuccessful because they don’t compete hard enough and win enough battles. They were drafted for skating, vision, or shooting but not physicality, power, or a willingness to compete. So having failed 4 times in a row we’re changing things up… and I like it.
I think your assessment of Boucher, and guys like White and Lazar for that matter, is way off.
Elite skills? When has Boucher ever displayed elite skills? I.
Thanks for trying, but Brady was a projected top 5 pick.Unreal how much ink this player gets - last 1st round pick to be declared a bust so quickly was Brady Tkachuk
Interesting little thought experiment to offset all the pessimism on here. In the 2016 NHL draft if the Ottawa Senators drafted Drake Batherson 11th overall instead of Logan Brown they would have ended up with the better player. At the end of the 2015-2016 season Batherson had only played 10 games in the QMJHL and had put up only 2 points (2 assists). If the Senators would have taken Batherson with their pick they would have been mocked and ridiculed, and plenty of people would have called them idiots and fools, and yet at this point he is a superior player to the one we did actually draft.
Sure it is difficult to tell how much of an impact not being drafted in his first year of draft eligibility and to be a 4th round pick in his 2nd year of eligibility had on his eventual development, but the point still stands that the end outcome is a superior player to the one we did draft. People are quick on here to be so pessimistic about Boucher's upside and that of the other players we drafted in the 2021 draft but they dismiss how what really matters is what a player becomes in the long run. There is an abundance of examples of players drafted in the later rounds or taken in their 2nd or 3rd year of eligibility that have gone on to become some of the top players in the league, and in many cases vastly superior to those drafted much earlier than them.
2003: Dustin Byfuglien (8th round), Joe Pavelski (7th round)
2004: Ryan Callahan (4th round)
2005: Patric Hornqvist (7th round)
2007 :Jamie Benn (5th round)
2009: Anders Lee (6th round)
2010: Mark Stone (6th round), Brendan Gallagher (5th round), John Klingberg (5th round)
2011: Ondrej Palat (7th round), JG Pageau (4th round)
2012: Connor Brown (6th round), Jacob Slavin (4th round), Josh Anderson (4th round)
2013: MacKenzie Weegar (7th round), Dominik Kubalik (7th round)
2014: Kevin Labanc (6th round)
2015: Kirill Kaprizov (5th round)
2017: Drake Batherson (4th round)
I would think that a lot of organizations and fans would take all these players and others a hell of a lot higher if they knew what they would eventually become. There would likely have been a lot of public criticism if they went much higher, such as in the top ten or 1st or 2nd rounds but the end result is that they are better players than what a lot of teams actually got.
Boucher (and the other 2021 draft picks for that matter) have plenty of time to become the kinds of players they will eventually become and what really matters is the final result.
Boucher started off with a large majority agreeing he was picked too high. His play since has made that belief look like it had merit.Yes, all that matters is the end result, but when we get more information through the eye-test and statistics, it makes sense to update our previous beliefs. Tyler Boucher isn't having a great year, so many people are likely updating their belief in a negative direction.
Some of the players on your list should have went higher, and most of them are nothing like Boucher.
Thanks for trying, but Brady was a projected top 5 pick.
Brady Tkachuk
Tyler Boucher
- NHL Central Scouting: 2nd (among NA Skaters)
- Future Considerations: 3rd
- McKeen’s Hockey: 5th
- Hockeyprospect.com: 5th
- ISS Hockey: 4th
- Bob McKenzie: 4th
- Craig Button: 2nd
- Jeff Marek: 4th
- 2021 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #93 by FCHockey
- 2021 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #49 by TSN/Craig Button
- 2021 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #29 by TSN/McKenzie
- 2021 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #25 by NHL Central Scouting
- 2021 NHL Entry Draft Ranked #26 by Hockeyprospect.com
- 2021 NHL Entry Draft Ranked # Honourable Mention by smahtscouting.com
- Also ranked outside of the top 30 according to ISS Hockey
For now. I have a feeling we’ll get some solid players from that draft.
I agree it takes some time to see what we have. A few comments have been about some concern over the D+1 seasons.It is very early to label the entire Sens 2021 draft a bust when we are only 6 months removed from the actual draft and we are talking about a bunch of 18/19 year old prospects.
If you take a look at the Sens 2019 draft:
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If I remember correctly, a lot of these picks, especially Thomson, Pinto & Sogaard were considered either bad picks or at the very least, reaches at the time of the draft.
Fast forward to 2022 and everyone of these picks is looking pretty good right about now.
We probably won't really now what we have with the 2019 draft for another 2 years or so.
I think we just need to relax a bit on the 2021 draft class and give it some time.
It is very early to label the entire Sens 2021 draft a bust when we are only 6 months removed from the actual draft and we are talking about a bunch of 18/19 year old prospects.
If you take a look at the Sens 2019 draft:
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If I remember correctly, a lot of these picks, especially Thomson, Pinto & Sogaard were considered either bad picks or at the very least, reaches at the time of the draft.
Fast forward to 2022 and everyone of these picks is looking pretty good right about now.
We probably won't really now what we have with the 2019 draft for another 2 years or so.
I think we just need to relax a bit on the 2021 draft class and give it some time.
It is very early to label the entire Sens 2021 draft a bust when we are only 6 months removed from the actual draft .