Value of: Tyler Bertuzzi - UFA

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Didn’t see a thread on him but mods feel free to merge if needed.

Bertuzzi is coming off a really impressive run with Boston after being traded last season from Detroit. Health is a big question here but when he’s on and motivated he is a big difference maker on the ice. Had a huge first round against Florida and was very solid for Boston in general after the trade.

He’s 28 y/o so a 7 year deal is definitely an option. Not without risk but Bertuzzi may be looking for more long term security in a contract rather than a 2-3 year deal to then try hit it big.

What’s everyone’s thoughts on this guy? What kind of deal does he get and from who?

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[LemonSauceD]

Really good player who brings a rare blend of skill and size and speed.

Teams will be lining up to sign him. He will definitely get overpaid however. Something like 7x6.5M.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Really good player who brings a rare blend of skill and size and speed.

Teams will be lining up to sign him. He will definitely get overpaid however. Something like 7x6.5M.

As a Pens fan, that is workable.

 

[Vitto79]

He’s going to get overpaid for sure

 

[StewieP19]

Bad for Colorado due to team Historic with his uncle.
I think he's the guy who can fit very well on the team.
For his next contract he will get 7.5 to 8 M per years and 4-5 years due to the lack of superstars on UFA this year

 

[Sideline]

As a Pens fan, that is workable.

Just because we can doesn't mean we should. My rule for free agents is you can give them too much cap or too much term, but if you give them too much of both that's where you get burned.

Really like the player though so if that's the Penguins annual bad UFA contract I guess it could be worse.

 

[Rude Dog]

As a Pens fan, that is workable.

There were rumours that Dubas really liked him over the last two years. Covid was an issue up here. Depending which direction he takes the pens, I could see him being in on BertuzzI.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Really good player who brings a rare blend of skill and size and speed.

Teams will be lining up to sign him. He will definitely get overpaid however. Something like 7x6.5M.

He's getting more than that. That's not an overpayment. If people are overpaying, it's gonna have an 8 in the digit of the millions. If he'd have taken 6.5M, he'd still be a Detroit Red Wing.

As a Pens fan, that is workable.

Is 7x7.5 or 7x8.25 workable? Because that's what you're actually looking at, not 6.5.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Here's hoping the Sens sign him to 7 X 9+...

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

I'd love him in Carolina and I don't mind giving a 7 year term (although it is risky with his health) if it can keep his AAV down. Him and Svech as your top 2 LW for the forseeable future would drive other teams crazy.

 

[wintersej]

He was very very very good below the dots in the offensive zone in Boston, especially as a playmaker: His work in his own zone was horrendous, his board play disappointing and his skating suspect.

He had great instant chemistry with Pasta, but it’s a risky contract to give out. Bruins would have to move out salary to get it done. If they did Ullmark + (Gryz/Frederic or Hall) they can take care of their cap woes and bring him back. But it’s a contract with a very high chance of aging poorly.

 

[MagicalRazor]

I’d love to sign him as a leafs fan, for a similar cap hit as Nylander.

Trade Nylander for a late 1st rounder. I think it would burtzzi would be a great player for matthews to play with would replace bunting as well. would shake up the core a bit as well

Treliving was also reported to want to acquire another 1st rounder. or move
up in the draft

could package 2 late 1st maybe move up to the early 20s late teens range if they got someone on the board with a package of 2 1st

I feel like it ticks alot of boxes to sign him

 

[guzzy]

he was awful last year....in a contract year.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

He's getting more than that. That's not an overpayment. If people are overpaying, it's gonna have an 8 in the digit of the millions. If he'd have taken 6.5M, he'd still be a Detroit Red Wing.


Is 7x7.5 or 7x8.25 workable? Because that's what you're actually looking at, not 6.5.

That I don't know. With that amount of term, a compromise of some sort might be necessary.

What's the precedent for a player with Bertuzzi's track record getting that kind of money?

Just because we can doesn't mean we should. My rule for free agents is you can give them too much cap or too much term, but if you give them too much of both that's where you get burned.

Really like the player though so if that's the Penguins annual bad UFA contract I guess it could be worse.

At 6.5, I don't think it's a bad deal. Bertuzzi brings a rare combination of skills that we could desperately use in the top 6.

Do you know of a better use of 6.5 mil that requires no assets this summer?

 

[Sideline]

That I don't know. With that amount of term, a compromise of some sort might be necessary.

What's the precedent for a player with Bertuzzi's track record getting that kind of money?


At 6.5, I don't think it's a bad deal. Bertuzzi brings a rare combination of skills that we could desperately use in the top 6.

Do you know of a better use of 6.5 mil that requires no assets this summer?

6.5 on less term I have no problem with, but his injury history scares me for 7 years. I guess you can make the case that the Penguins core is cooked by year 4or 5 of that deal regardless of it being his last year or the middle of a contract.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

he was awful last year....in a contract year.

He seemed pretty great on the Bruins.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

6.5 on less term I have no problem with, but his injury history scares me for 7 years. I guess you can make the case that the Penguins core is cooked by year 4or 5 of that deal regardless of it being his last year or the middle of a contract.

I think it may be a bit generous to say cooked by year 4-5 of the deal. 2-3 years would not surprise me.

 

[PromisedLand]

whats the probability (if at all) that he may even think about joining a Canadian team?

i recall he couldn't play some games in Canada due to vaccine stuff

 

[mydnyte]

He'll be overpaid for sure...
He's coming off an injury plagued (and bad) season, and then having a 'great' playoffs scoring 5 goals, and 5 assists while being a MINUS 4
...on the team that set the record as best team ever, and went out in the first round.

somehow, things dont add up to him being a good signing, but, he will be overpaid for sure.

 

[wintersej]

He seemed pretty great on the Bruins.

On 1/4th of the ice he was pretty great.

 

[Double Dion]

He'll be overpaid for sure...
He's coming off an injury plagued (and bad) season, and then having a 'great' playoffs scoring 5 goals, and 5 assists while being a MINUS 4
...on the team that set the record as best team ever, and went out in the first round.

somehow, things dont add up to him being a good signing, but, he will be overpaid for sure.

5 goals and 5 assists in 7 games while being -4? Get 12.5M ready. Those are McDavid numbers.

 

[CellyHard]

As a Bruins fan, I look at the Hyman deal 5.5 x 7 and Trocheck 5.6 x 7 as comps.

Bertuzzi is a complimentary player, a great one at that but his skating isn't very fluid and lacks defensive zone awareness.

For example, Trocheck with all his injury history leading up to his contract averaged .71 ppg over 7 seasons. Bertuzzi averages .68 ppg over the last 6 seasons. Trocheck can play center and is also much better defensively, however, Bertuzzi is also entering this cap increase era.

I would say a 6 x 7 is fair just based on that alone but all it takes is one crazy GM

 

[dugg133]

In terms of AAV I think he's worth like 5.5mil, I'd be comfortable giving him 6mil, but he's gonna get like 7mil.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

6.5 on less term I have no problem with, but his injury history scares me for 7 years. I guess you can make the case that the Penguins core is cooked by year 4or 5 of that deal regardless of it being his last year or the middle of a contract.

Right, but if he didn't have the injury history he probably wouldn't be available for that price.

I'm not overly concerned with the term. Like you say, our core will be caput at that point.

 

[Inspiration]

Really good player who brings a rare blend of skill and size and speed.

Speed? Tyler Bertuzzi? He has a bunch of great attributes, but his skating is definitely not one of them.