Player Discussion Tuukka Rask - Part 2 (MOD # 598)

[Estlin]

You dont trade assets for elite goalie just because of cap, and Sweeney shouldn't just give up Rask for nothing.
They won't give up Hanifin or Faulk for Rask.

No, Carolina wont. On the other hand, as I mentioned earlier, Fleury may be available in a trade.

 

[amazingcrwns]

You dont trade assets for elite goalie just because of cap, and Sweeney shouldn't just give up Rask for nothing.
They won't give up Hanifin or Faulk for Rask.

I wasn't thinking Hanifin or Faulk, and I wasn't thinking Carolina is looking to take on bad contracts just to reach the floor.

I was thinking Carolina was a team that could use a #1 goalie and isn't in cap hell so the 7 mil price tag isn't an immediate deal breaker. They also have a boatload of draft picks, 7 in the first 3 rounds this year( 2 firsts, 2 seconds and 3 thirds) and 6 in the first 3 rounds next year(first, 2 seconds, and 3 thirds).

I don't know what the trade would be, I'm terrible at playing armchair gm, but I think Rask to Carolina could be a good fit if Sweeney doesn't think Tuukka is the right guy to have between the pipes long term.

 

[wintersej]

No, Carolina wont. On the other hand, as I mentioned earlier, Fleury may be available in a trade.

I got positive feedback from Car fans on a 1st + Fleury deal, but Fleury isn't exactly living up to his draft position. His scoring was the same rate as Carlo in the same league last season. Of course, stats require context, and I don't have them, but considering someone like Reimer is going to cost 5 in UFA, its a bit dubious.

 

[BB88]

If Tuukka allow the Bruins to move him, he's an hot commodity. He's an excellent goaltender who can help a lot of teams. If the right deal come along...

Goalies aren't the best pieces to fix the issues, they have less value than forwards and defenseman.

No, Carolina wont. On the other hand, as I mentioned earlier, Fleury may be available in a trade.

I wasn't thinking Hanifin or Faulk, and I wasn't thinking Carolina is looking to take on bad contracts just to reach the floor.

I was thinking Carolina was a team that could use a #1 goalie and isn't in cap hell so the 7 mil price tag isn't an immediate deal breaker. They also have a boatload of draft picks, 7 in the first 3 rounds this year( 2 firsts, 2 seconds and 3 thirds) and 6 in the first 3 rounds next year(first, 2 seconds, and 3 thirds).

I don't know what the trade would be, I'm terrible at playing armchair gm, but I think Rask to Carolina could be a good fit if Sweeney doesn't think Tuukka is the right guy to have between the pipes long term.

Carolina's best 1st round pick this year is 13th, not that great and I doubt they want to give up their best young players for 29y goalie.

 

[DitClapper]

I think Khudobin could give us what Rask gave us this year. For a bargain.

 

[Beantown Beatdown]

Blow it up altogether
How about.....

To Edmonton
Rask
Krejci

To Boston
1st round pick 2016
Talbot
Draisaitl
2nd round pick 2017

&

Sign Eriksson and trade him at Deadline for first round pick in 2017

My god that is awful for EDM.

 

[DitClapper]

 

[BB88]

I think Khudobin could give us what Rask gave us this year. For a bargain.

A goalie who's going to KHL for next year?

 

[alg363636]

What I've noticed about Rask this season was his tendency to give up when the going got hard. I found he would start the games great and make a ton of great saves. But then the defense would blow it and let in a goal that was usually not his fault. But, after that one goal or sometimes two, he seemed to zone out and let in a back breaker or two.

Honestly, I think he didn't trust the defense and as soon as they let him down, he just expected he would give up a bunch. Self-fulfilling prophecy. I just think he is not the right goalie for a team that's bad defensively. Not because he isn't good enough to play behind a bad defense, but because he doesn't have the right mindset.

 

[northeastern]

I think Khudobin could give us what Rask gave us this year. For a bargain.

Maybe he could. But over the next 5 seasons what do you think? Khudobin isn't a long term answer in net.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I got positive feedback from Car fans on a 1st + Fleury deal, but Fleury isn't exactly living up to his draft position. His scoring was the same rate as Carlo in the same league last season. Of course, stats require context, and I don't have them, but considering someone like Reimer is going to cost 5 in UFA, its a bit dubious.

Curious, where was this positive feedback on that deal? I looked through the RASK thread on the main board and didn't see any Canes fan give positive feedback on that. As a Canes fan, no way I'd give up Fleury and the #13 OA for him.

You proposed it in a different thread and had 1 guy (Roboturner) who was ok with it. 2 other responded and said no. So I think you got positive response from 1 Cane fan (from what I can tell). I don't think you'll get much buy in from Canes fans with that proposal.

 

[BruinDust]

With the glut of goaltenders in today's game, and expansion coming where you can only protect one goaltender, why would any team spend a bunch of quality assets to bring in a G? There will be teams looking to unload their G this off-season rather than lose them for nothing the following summer in the expansion draft.

 

[wintersej]

Curious, where was this positive feedback on that deal? I looked through the RASK thread on the main board and didn't see any Canes fan give positive feedback on that. As a Canes fan, no way I'd give up Fleury and the #13 OA for him.

You proposed it in a different thread and had 1 guy (Roboturner) who was ok with it. 2 other responded and said no. So I think you got positive response from 1 Cane fan (from what I can tell). I don't think you'll get much buy in from Canes fans with that proposal.

Any proposal with 100% support on hfboards is a bad proposal for the other team.

 

[ashnathan]

If Rask is traded then Don may as well sign his death warrant cos this franchise will go down the toilet for a lot of years.

 

[Daishi]

If Rask is traded then Don may as well sign his death warrant cos this franchise will go down the toilet for a lot of years.

It already is in the toilet. We've missed the playoffs for two straight years, and could easily do the same for another two years.

I agree with your general sentiment of course, but the only way to back to real cup contention (and not just one and done playoffs) is to go all the way down to the bottom and build with new future Tyler Seguins.

 

[Seidenbergy]

It already is in the toilet. We've missed the playoffs for two straight years, and could easily do the same for another two years.

I agree with your general sentiment of course, but the only way to back to real cup contention (and not just one and done playoffs) is to go all the way down to the bottom and build with new future Tyler Seguins.

No it isn't. If the formula was that simple, everyone would do it.

 

[member 96824]

Take a breath and say it with me. You guys all know the drill, we've been practicing for this:

Rask wasn't liked in the locker room
Rask wasn't that good of a goalie anyway
Rask had issues off the ice and if they're what I'm hearing, he had to go

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Any proposal with 100% support on hfboards is a bad proposal for the other team.

That's not the point. You had positive feed back from 1 single poster and negative feedback from everyone else, yet you implied that you got "positive feedback from Car fans", which was misleading at best. I'm not saying a deal like that won't happen, as none of us know for sure how a GM thinks, where they think the team is headed, etc..., just correcting a misrepresentation.

Personally, regardless of value / what comes back, I would be mildly surprised in any deal occurring with Rask going to Carolina for 2 reasons.

1) I believe Rask has a NMC and would have to waive that to go to a team that hasn't made the playoffs for 7 straight years.
2) Francis was quoted a week ago as saying: "Does it make sense for me to run out and sign a guy to a six- or seven-year contract at a lot of money when I have a young team and we’re building in that direction? Probably not,†Francis said.

Obviously signing vs. trading are two different things, but his message was that he wasn't looking to add high dollar guys right now. Things can change between now and the start of next season though.

 

[Latrappe]

What I've noticed about Rask this season was his tendency to give up when the going got hard. I found he would start the games great and make a ton of great saves. But then the defense would blow it and let in a goal that was usually not his fault. But, after that one goal or sometimes two, he seemed to zone out and let in a back breaker or two.

Honestly, I think he didn't trust the defense and as soon as they let him down, he just expected he would give up a bunch. Self-fulfilling prophecy. I just think he is not the right goalie for a team that's bad defensively. Not because he isn't good enough to play behind a bad defense, but because he doesn't have the right mindset.

Can't believe Rask doesn't trust a defense who allow breakaways just after scoring a goal or blew defensive coverages because they can't recognize a defensive assignment. Of course he don't. I wouldn't either. I mean, this year, our blueline had tough times to be consistent with the small little play. Granted that Rask didn't have his best year. I think we all agree with that. Real question is: How many goaltenders in this league would be able to mantain an elite performance with the defense? None is probably the right answer.

 

[Dreghorn2]

take a breath and say it with me. You guys all know the drill, we've been practicing for this:

Rask wasn't liked in the locker room
rask wasn't that good of a goalie anyway
rask had issues off the ice and if they're what i'm hearing, he had to go

lol.

 

[Hali33]

Take a breath and say it with me. You guys all know the drill, we've been practicing for this:

Rask wasn't liked in the locker room
Rask wasn't that good of a goalie anyway
Rask had issues off the ice and if they're what I'm hearing, he had to go

Haha, very true. Welcome back, by the way.

 

[Kate08]

Take a breath and say it with me. You guys all know the drill, we've been practicing for this:

Rask wasn't liked in the locker room
Rask wasn't that good of a goalie anyway
Rask had issues off the ice and if they're what I'm hearing, he had to go

You sly son of a *****! Welcome back!

 

[wintersej]

That's not the point. You had positive feed back from 1 single poster and negative feedback from everyone else, yet you implied that you got "positive feedback from Car fans", which was misleading at best. I'm not saying a deal like that won't happen, as none of us know for sure how a GM thinks, where they think the team is headed, etc..., just correcting a misrepresentation.

Personally, regardless of value / what comes back, I would be mildly surprised in any deal occurring with Rask going to Carolina for 2 reasons.

1) I believe Rask has a NMC and would have to waive that to go to a team that hasn't made the playoffs for 7 straight years.
2) Francis was quoted a week ago as saying: "Does it make sense for me to run out and sign a guy to a six- or seven-year contract at a lot of money when I have a young team and we’re building in that direction? Probably not,†Francis said.

Obviously signing vs. trading are two different things, but his message was that he wasn't looking to add high dollar guys right now. Things can change between now and the start of next season though.

Thats fair... I just didn't really keep paying attention to the thread after I got the answer I was looking for .

 

[mislysBB]

Take a breath and say it with me. You guys all know the drill, we've been practicing for this:

Rask wasn't liked in the locker room
Rask wasn't that good of a goalie anyway
Rask had issues off the ice and if they're what I'm hearing, he had to go

Oh, and welcome back!!

 

[BB88]

Take a breath and say it with me. You guys all know the drill, we've been practicing for this:

Rask wasn't liked in the locker room
Rask wasn't that good of a goalie anyway
Rask had issues off the ice and if they're what I'm hearing, he had to go

Haggs already started that