Blue Jays Discussion: Turn out the lights, the season's over.

[Jozay]

goddamn Judge

 

[Suntouchable13]

I bet teams are kicking themselves over not taking a chance on Giles. He has been great. Some contender coulda used him.

 

[Discoverer]

I bet teams are kicking themselves over not taking a chance on Giles. He has been great. Some contender coulda used him.

Cashman: "We didn't feel he was a big enough upgrade for us. He would have been used in mop-up duty in the playoffs."

 

[Cor]

I bet teams are kicking themselves over not taking a chance on Giles. He has been great. Some contender coulda used him.

Good for us. We’ll get more this winter now

 

[Anthrax442]

You can see the players have checked out somewhat. Most have not played a season this long.

 

[MS]

You can see the players have checked out somewhat. Most have not played a season this long.

Conversely, it's good to see Rowdy Tellez still looks to be checked in and is getting some results from a much better approach at the plate since his return from AAA.

His K:BB ratio is hugely improved and he's been swinging on fewer crap pitches but it wasn't showing up in his average or slugging until recently, and gives some hope for next season.

 

[phillipmike]

For the Blue Jays, “Operation: Best Case Scenario” Was a 2019 Failure

One of the worst articles i have seen. What do you expect from an O's fan.

They made some terrible premises with respect to what they thought the Jays were doing.

It was a rebuilding year, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Anthrax442]

For the Blue Jays, “Operation: Best Case Scenario” Was a 2019 Failure

One of the worst articles i have seen. What do you expect from an O's fan.

They made some terrible premises with respect to what they thought the Jays were doing.

It was a rebuilding year, nothing more, nothing less.

Interesting how mid season a lot of Shapkins critics went away once the depth of pitching prospects started to become very obvious. Hope that they can do something good in the offseason.

 

[theaub]

For the Blue Jays, “Operation: Best Case Scenario” Was a 2019 Failure

One of the worst articles i have seen. What do you expect from an O's fan.

They made some terrible premises with respect to what they thought the Jays were doing.

It was a rebuilding year, nothing more, nothing less.

In his defense, those terrible premises were the ones officially stated by management, even if all of their actions indicated otherwise.

The one thing that surprised me is how low the farm system ranking is on there post graduations.

 

[Puckstuff]

I don't expect the Jays to break the bank in the summer by trading away significant prospect capital or making large financial commitments, but a deal for a solid position player at 3B/RF would be smart. The guy I want is Brian Anderson because he can play 3B and RF.

Hernandez, Alford, SWR, Williams for Brian Anderson

2020 lineup.

1. 2B-Biggio
2. SS-Bichette
3. 3B-Anderson
4. 1B-Gurrero Jr.
5. LF-Gurriel Jr.
6. DH-Tellez
7. CF-Grichcuk
8. C -Mcguire/Jansen
9. RF- Mckinney/Fisher (or sign a vet on a 1-2 year deal)

2021 lineup.

Anderson moves to RF, Groshans hopefully joins the team at 3B.

1. 2B-Biggio
2. RF-Anderson
3. SS-Bichette
4. 1B-Gurrero Jr.
5. LF-Gurriel Jr.
6. 3B-Groshans
7. DH-Tellez
8. CF-Grichcuk
9. C -Mcguire/Jansen

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

1) way too much for Brian Anderson
2) Brian Anderson does not bat 3rd (and most certainly not 2nd in 2021) in a lineup with those players

Edit: I don't want to disparage the idea too much because ultimately it is likely what I would do from a general sense (i.e. acquire a position player to fill an area of need, which ranges anywhere from 1B, 3B, CF, OF).

There's a bunch of players who will be available-ish for the right price, some belonging to clubs this front office has engaged with in the recent past.

1) Dom Smith (blocked by Pete Alonso; 127 wRC+, .227 ISO in '19)
2) Brandon Nimmo (if Smith moves to outfield, then he is blocked; career 130 wRC+, .186 ISO)
GM is stupid, which is a plus

3) One of Franmil Reyes, Jordan Luplow or Oscar Mercado (Preferably Machado)
4) Mike Ford (Blocked)
5) Alex Verdugo (Blocked)
6) Ian Happ (Blocked)
7) Jake Cave (Blocked)
8) Kyle Tucker (Blocked; annoyingly should have demanded in lieu of Fisher)

 

[jcollins]

3) Groshans isn't up in '21

 

[Mach85]

SWR isn't going anywhere.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Damn, it's almost guaranteed there will be a celebration happening on our field/ in the visitors clubhouse this weekend. Sucks when a team celebrates on your turf. I want TB to make it, but still, sucks they will be celebrating here.

 

[SDig14]

I thought we needed to fade the Pirates for picking 5th, but it's now the Mariners. We are one game back (ahead) with 3 games left each.

Looks like Mariners won the season series 4-2 this year.

 

[Animal]

I thought we needed to fade the Pirates for picking 5th, but it's now the Mariners. We are one game back (ahead) with 3 games left each.

Looks like Mariners won the season series 4-2 this year.

so does that mean we're actually 2 games back?

 

[SDig14]

so does that mean we're actually 2 games back?

Well, I thought I read on here season series was the tiebreaker. But based on a quick Google search, seems the tiebreaker is actually if two teams have identical records, they look at the previous season record and the team with the worst record in the prior season gets the higher draft pick.

So, either way, we lost the season series to the Mariners and they won more games than us last year, so we would pick higher than them if we have the same record.

The magic number to pick 5th is 2. Either 2 Jays losses OR 2 Mariners wins will get it done, regardless of the other teams performance.

We are essentially 1.5 games back then, as we would need to finish with 2 more wins than them in the final 3 games for us to pick 6th.

I made this more difficult than it needed to be.....ha.

 

[Epictetus]

Would rather knock a divisional rival in TB out of making the playoffs to be honest.

 

[SDig14]

Did we ever hear officially what the agreement was for the 2 prospects from the Rays for the Sogard trade? I'd rather pick 5th and get better prospects.

If the pool of prospects improves if they make the playoffs, I am fine if they get in.

If this was the Yankees or Red Sox, I'd prefer to beat them badly.

 

[Jozay]

Did we ever hear officially what the agreement was for the 2 prospects from the Rays for the Sogard trade? I'd rather pick 5th and get better prospects.

If the pool of prospects improves if they make the playoffs, I am fine if they get in.

If this was the Yankees or Red Sox, I'd prefer to beat them badly.

The team announced Sunday that right-handers Edisson Gonzalez and Canadian Curtis Taylor completed the deal.

Blue Jays acquire two pitchers to complete Sogard trade with Tampa Bay Rays

 

[phillipmike]

Aaron Sanchez likely to miss the 2020 season;

Some details of Aaron Sanchez’s rather mysterious shoulder surgery were revealed today, as Sanchez told reporters (including Chandler Rome of the Houston Chronicle) that his September 10 procedure addressed a tear in his right shoulder capsule. The right-hander intends to pitch in 2020, though there isn’t any chance he’ll be ready for an Opening Day roster.

Rome made the comparison to Julio Urias’ capsule procedure, which took place in late June 2017 and kept the Dodgers hurler off a big league mound until mid-September 2018. While the circumstances of such surgeries vary from person to person, Urias’ injury was a relatively “clean” issue that didn’t include any other shoulder problems beyond the capsule, yet he was still out of action on the long end of a projected 12-to-14 month timeline.

Assuming that Sanchez’s injury is similar in nature, a return by late September 2020 would seem to be really pushing it. There isn’t a long track record of pitchers successfully regaining their old form following capsule surgeries, though Urias has posted some strong numbers (2.52 ERA, 3.27 K/BB rate, 9.7 K/BB) over 78 2/3 innings for Los Angeles this season, pitching mostly out of the bullpen.

Assuming it is on the low end of 12 months with zero issues then Sanchez is slated to come back on September 10 2020. If its on the high end of 14 months with no issues then its November 10 2020 and the season is already over.

And if he has any issues in his recovery when then 2020 is completely out of the picture.

 

[jcollins]

A starter no more. If anything

 

[dredeye]

Too bad for Sanchez. He was on his way to becoming incredibly wealthy and will likely miss that opportunity now. He’ll still be just fine but man if he had continued like he was pre juiced balls he’d have made an extra 100 million

 

[hoc123]

Mariners walk off against the Athletics, which means the Jays will pick fifth overall in the draft next year.

 

[dredeye]

Mariners walk off against the Athletics, which means the Jays will pick fifth overall in the draft next year.

Perfect