Rumor: Tulsky/Canes made a last ditch effort to trade for Boeser w. 30 minutes left of the deadline.

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ES points aren’t the only measure of a player but a 40-50 point guy who scores entirely at ES is a lot more valuable than one who scores 40-50 points but 15 are on the PP. Those PP points are a lot more replaceable, and there’s only so many PP points to go around. I think calling him a 60ish best offensive center on ES points alone is weak, but he seems to be a reasonably productive 3C who can play some 2C if needed (sort of like Chytil).
I agree with you except the poster I quoted is saying exactly that only ES points matter.

They word for word said Jesper Kotkaniemi scores as about a top 60 center. Doubling down by calling him a low end 2C, high end 3C. They came to this conclusion because he scores as such at even strength. They completely ignored the fact he is below nhl level on the powerplay, sitting below 120th amongst centers.

I also disagree that he’s a reasonably productive 3C or even close to chytil and Im not even a fan of chytil. I think chytil is an above average 3C. Kotkaniemi ranks 96th in scoring this season for centers. Granted there’s probably 10-15 wingers in there. So even if you take out 10 players on account of them being wingers, that places him 86th. Thats puts him at the 10th worst 3C production wise. He’s a low end 3C, high end 4C offensively.

Chytil can give you 40 points a year with pp2 time which you need out of a 3C incase of injury as they will have to step into the top 6 and PP.

Kotkaniemi can’t even give you 30 points being fed almost 1.5 minutes a game on the pp and playing in the top 6 consistently. He should never be in a teams top 6. His own teammate Jordan staal is outproducing him at 5 on 5 and overall with no pp time.
 
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Not sure how accurate this is or if it's been discussed yet but if something fell through with Rantanen, could they have kept him AND taken Boeser at 50%?

I'm going through their roster and they needed to clear roughly Rantanen's hit - so $4.5mil roughly. I see several ways they could have done that in a deal independent of Rantanen. Andersen+Robinson+1st+3rd for Boeser @ 50% would have worked. You trade Rantanen, great. If not, you keep him and say oh well.

I could be off base here but this sounds like another debacle caused by Carolina's culture of cheapness.
 
If you don't know anything about a situation don't comment on it without research. This is the summary of this thread.

I cannot believe how many comments I have seen that Tulsky needs to be fired. This guy was behind almost all of the moves the Canes have made over the course of his tenure since he was promoted to Director of Analytics. All the moves Carolina makes are approached using data/analytics as you can see with most of their players they acquire. I would say Rantanen, Kuznetsov, and Roslovic are some of the players who weren't really analytic friendly, but atleast Kuznetsov and Roslovic had good microstats. I can't believe Tulsky is being made out as some dumb guy who Canes just picked up off the street, this guy had a damn PhD, and I know that doesn't matter, but he has also wrote about hockey since the 2000s. He is not new to the front-office and has been with Carolina since 2014-15. I am sure he knows how the deadline works and I think it's hilarious that people keep saying that he could've set the framework of the Boeser trade while finishing the Rantanen deal. If that was true don't you think the trade would've been done? Also, it seems more like the Hurricanes didn't like Vancouver's price and vice versa so that's probably why he said they didn't have enough time to counteroffer. Boeser also has been a consistent 50-60 point player he is barely worth a first as it is. I do think adding the prospect was too much, but at the end of the day Boeser is a free agent and now the Canucks are going to lose him and get nothing back. Atleast if they made the trade they could've got the Dallas first round pick or Canes first round pick (which to some people should be low since they think the canes are imploding)

The Rantanen deal wasn't necessarily about going all-in, I doubt Tulsky thought the Canes could win a cup with Brent Burns as RD1. I think it was more so setting up the team for the next 8 years that in one of those years could've won the cup. Carolina actually thought they had a chance at signing Rantanen because his agent said that they would agree. However, I think that the agent believed Colorado was bluffing with trading Rantanen, so it was a shock when it actually happened. Should the Canes have actually finalized a sign and trade? Yes! But I don't think the Canes worried about it because I imagine Rantanen said that he didn't want to think about extending due to the shock of trade. Also, to the people saying the Hurricanes fumbled the situation is hilarious considering they got an insanely good return and the best return for a sign and trade in NHL history (go back and look at the Vanek return).

Tulsky 100% built this team with his analytic approach. This team is going on to it's 7th straight playoff appearance and that still takes good management to actually do that. The Hurricanes drafting has been ridicuously good and that's because they have taken a data-based approach and Darren Yorke is doing a hell of a job, they also took Jokke Nevalainen a few years ago who was one of EP's best scouts. Additionally, they have AGM Tyler Dellow in the front-office who just like Tulsky was a hockey analytic pioneer.

Lastly, about the center depth in Carolina. Rod Brind'Amour took a team with Staal-Wallmark-McKegg down the middle in the playoffs and made the ECF (I know he didn't win a game). Rod will get the best out of his players no matter what. I think there is a path to the Canes winning the cup and that only relies on Kochetkov and the powerplay. Kochetkov has been one of the best high danger goalies in the league this year but lets in a lot of soft goals. However, I think he is the Canes goalie with the most potential to actually carry them.
 
Yup. The offer as described by Daliwal was actually saying Boeser had negative value, even though he’s a rental.
There is no actual offer in the OP, where does Daliwal describe an offer? In the op he says it sounds like it was a first, and he doesn’t think it’s one for one and that’s it. Then someone else said no firsts were offered. So what’s the offer we supposedly gave and provide a link?

Not sure how accurate this is or if it's been discussed yet but if something fell through with Rantanen, could they have kept him AND taken Boeser at 50%?

I'm going through their roster and they needed to clear roughly Rantanen's hit - so $4.5mil roughly. I see several ways they could have done that in a deal independent of Rantanen. Andersen+Robinson+1st+3rd for Boeser @ 50% would have worked. You trade Rantanen, great. If not, you keep him and say oh well.

I could be off base here but this sounds like another debacle caused by Carolina's culture of cheapness.
You’re off. There’s no debacle. Canes made an unknown offer, it wasn’t accepted. That’s really it. No one is crying about not getting Boeser. Vancouver fans I’m sure are wishing they got overpaid the way they think CO did for a guy they’re going to lose for nothing.
 
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He was an assistant GM. It's like saying Jim Benning was responsible for the old Boston team that won the cup.

Carolina’s management style is a bit unique, in part due to Dundon’s…overeagerness…when it comes to making decisions on this team. Ever since Dundon bought the team, the management has been what fans have dubbed “A Borg.” Dundon, Tulsky (and Waddell when he was here), and Brindamour all have a voice when it comes to whatever moves the team makes. Tulsky, being a big advanced stat guy, has long been credited for some of the “buy low” signings/trades that Carolina has made. Guys like Nino Neidereitter or Brady Skjei were targets that Tulsky picked out as players that would work well for the system Carolina plays.
 
You’re off. There’s no debacle. Canes made an unknown offer, it wasn’t accepted. That’s really it. No one is crying about not getting Boeser. Vancouver fans I’m sure are wishing they got overpaid the way they think CO did for a guy they’re going to lose for nothing.
Yeah I don't get the thread sentiment. The trade deadline probably has tons more trade offers than actual trades. This is just a notable one that leaked. It doesn't mean there was some kind of screw up or missed opportunity. If the cost was too high, it was too high
 
Carolina’s management style is a bit unique, in part due to Dundon’s…overeagerness…when it comes to making decisions on this team. Ever since Dundon bought the team, the management has been what fans have dubbed “A Borg.” Dundon, Tulsky (and Waddell when he was here), and Brindamour all have a voice when it comes to whatever moves the team makes. Tulsky, being a big advanced stat guy, has long been credited for some of the “buy low” signings/trades that Carolina has made. Guys like Nino Neidereitter or Brady Skjei were targets that Tulsky picked out as players that would work well for the system Carolina plays.
Guy just played his hand horribly this year and hurt his team. Canes went from a possible contender to a 1st or 2nd round knock out. Not a good look .
 
Can’t execute another trade if you don’t have the necessary cap space, not sure how that’s not getting through here

They were still “closing in” on the extension at 12:30pm et based on a Friedman tweet, working out contract details takes time, in this case too much time
All the details between Carolina and Dallas were finalized Thursday night. They had a full day to negotiate with Vancouver or whoever else to flip those firsts. Yea they couldn't make the actual trade call until Rantanen was officially done but no excuse to not have a deal lined up so that they could call central registry the minute after the first trade call with Dallas went through
 
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Guy just played his hand horribly this year and hurt his team. Canes went from a possible contender to a 1st or 2nd round knock out. Not a good look .

If you've paid any attention to Carolina this year, you'd know that a 1st or 2nd round knock out was always the best case scenario. Their defense has been messy, their PP is putrid and their goaltending is hot/cold. Calling them possible contenders at any point this year is being very generous.

All the details between Carolina and Dallas were finalized Thursday night. They had a full day to negotiate with Vancouver or whoever else to flip those firsts. Yea they couldn't make the actual trade call until Rantanen was officially done but no excuse to not have a deal lined up so that they could call central registry the minute after the first trade call with Dallas went through

According to the article posted a little earlier, it was Vancouver who walked away from the deal in the end. Tulsky presented the agreed upon offer to Vancouver after the Rantanen deal went through, but Allvin reconsidered or had a change of heart or what have you, but declined the deal.
 
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Carolina’s management style is a bit unique, in part due to Dundon’s…overeagerness…when it comes to making decisions on this team. Ever since Dundon bought the team, the management has been what fans have dubbed “A Borg.” Dundon, Tulsky (and Waddell when he was here), and Brindamour all have a voice when it comes to whatever moves the team makes. Tulsky, being a big advanced stat guy, has long been credited for some of the “buy low” signings/trades that Carolina has made. Guys like Nino Neidereitter or Brady Skjei were targets that Tulsky picked out as players that would work well for the system Carolina plays.
I still cry everyday that Carolina didn’t re-sign him.
 
Last thing I want to do is derail a thread after a fresh warning, but @Blueline Bomber thats a very interesting profile picture

Yeah, I had another a long time ago that basically blended the Canes and Wild logo together (using Photoshop, not AI), but it got lost among a transfer of files. Then when AI was new (before everyone knew how shitty it is), I asked it to create the Wild logo and that's what it came up with.
 
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If you've paid any attention to Carolina this year, you'd know that a 1st or 2nd round knock out was always the best case scenario. Their defense has been messy, their PP is putrid and their goaltending is hot/cold. Calling them possible contenders at any point this year is being very generous.



According to the article posted a little earlier, it was Vancouver who walked away from the deal in the end. Tulsky presented the agreed upon offer to Vancouver after the Rantanen deal went through, but Allvin reconsidered or had a change of heart or what have you, but declined the deal.
By no means would I be happy with trading Boeser and a top prospect for KK and a 1st. Pitch forks would be out in Vancouver.
 
Guy just played his hand horribly this year and hurt his team. Canes went from a possible contender to a 1st or 2nd round knock out. Not a good look .
We were never a possible contender, but we fooled a lot of people when Necas was on his bender to start the year.

This team has more holes than Swiss cheese and this was always supposed to be a "scrape into the playoffs, get the kids some experience (didn't happen), and retool for 2026 and beyond" year.

Once you're in the playoffs, anything can happen...and that's part of the philosophy. I mean, if we win the Cup, we're not going to be upset about it...but nobody should have expected it when the season started.
 

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