Peter Griffin
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Rumor: Tulsky/Canes made a last ditch effort to trade for Boeser w. 30 minutes left of the deadline.
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Friedman confirmed that no 1st round picks from anyone were offered to Van for Boeser.
Allvin said the same thing in his presser.
Serravalli afterwards also said teams were concerned about Boeser's blood clot which made him less than ideal candidate for a rental because he could miss time when they need him the most in playoffs.
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You feel bad because they missed out on Boeser ?
Though tbh, he might work well in that system
That is definitely awful for Van.
KK is a 3C making close to 5 mil for 5 more years.
Would much rather have Raty play that role at 800k and spend that saved AAV on elsewhere like top 6 wingers.
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its awful because its said that Tulsky wanted one of Vancouver's better prospects to hand over the 1st.
Peter Griffin
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Hey! We suck!
Why? Apparently the deal didn't even get talked about until 30 minutes prior to the deadline ending, if Vancouver didn't take another offer before then based on something that is going to be a struggle to get worked out then that's on Vancouver.
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Rookie GM handles the situation like the rookie he is.
Canes fan base rather than looking inside wants to blame Rantanen/Agent for everything. Comical.
You hired an Excel sheet nerd to run the hockey operations and he isn't experienced in navigating a deadline.
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Jerkob Slavin
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When one considers that 31 teams are considered losers every year, I'll take the guy that at least has us in position to win it every year.
What's not to like about a young core, signed long term, at contracts that leave a lot of room to add top level talent?
If Tulsky were fired today, he'd have another GM job before the signature ink on the termination papers were dry.
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You join the que to report the trade to the NHL. If you are stuck in the que with the Dallas trade you can still make another outside deal with Vancouver contingent on the Dallas assets happening and then join the que for that trade.
Dallas Trade --> Vancouver Trade
Sit on the phone que and make it happen.
Maybe you don't know how this works? You don't need the Dallas trade to be sent through to negotiate and setup a deal with Vancouver.
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krutovsdonut
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it's actually pretty insulting as an offer if the reports that the canes also wanted a top prospect back are true. allvin specifically name checked lekkermaki, willander and d-pettersson as guys he was asked for when trying to trade boeser. each of those players by himself is worth a dallas first.
basically, it sounds like nobody wanted boeser other than guys hoping the canucks would be desperate to save face and move him at a loss. so tulsky was at the front of the line.
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rantanen didnt work either. they tried to take a couple big swings now. i like the canes do i hope they get someone.
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Can’t trade assets that aren’t officially yours with cap space that doesn’t exist until the initial trade consummates. Again, not hard to understand
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Fair enough. Also apologies for the laughing emote, old habits die hard I suppose.
Cheers
doesn't mean you cant plan ahead and have a conditional deal ahead of time so then you're just working out the fine print details for the last 30 minutes.
How hard would it be to go to a team and be like hey look i have a conditional deal in place. If that goes through i can offer you a 1st + 3rd or whatever. Wont go into specifics of what team those picks are from. If this deal goes through and the player is still on your roster at that time, would this work for you? If it does i'll circle back so we can quickly finalze the final details. You and the other gm can continue negotiating based off these parameters.
You havent traded any assets that aren't yours, you havent used any cap space that isnt yours. You've created a parameters for a trade based on a hypothetical scenario so if it comes to fruition, you can quickly finalze it instead of having to start from ground at the last minute
CanesUltimate11
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From the article it doesn't seem like they were that close on a deal anyway if Vancouver didn't want to get worse and Carolina was offering up a 1st and KK to get Boeser and a prospect. So not sure how much talking earlier would have helped.
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Carolina messed up big time if they waited that long. It's like buying a house contingent on the sale of the current home. Happens a lot. You just have the GM you're dealing with tell you if they got a better offer or not and keep all parties in the loop.
Guessing Tulsky was too busy fielding calls from a dozen teams to see if they could pry Rantanen away from Dallas and got stuck on the phone for too long. Still shouldn't have been difficult to assign the preliminary work to an AGM. But it is a new GM, and may have been getting a talking to by Dundon and/or others trying to explain what the heck was going on.
Guessing Tulsky was too busy fielding calls from a dozen teams to see if they could pry Rantanen away from Dallas and got stuck on the phone for too long. Still shouldn't have been difficult to assign the preliminary work to an AGM. But it is a new GM, and may have been getting a talking to by Dundon and/or others trying to explain what the heck was going on.
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true but they also waited until 30 minutes to the deadline. They could have thrown their hat in the ring for other players that were eventually traded. Who knows, maybe one of those teams waits and prefers the Canes offer.
Sitting around waiting until the Rantanen deal was finalzed before trying to negotiate other trades left them with no trade partners but the Canucks. When you wait until you're left with 1 trade partner, 30 minutes and you start with a shitty offer, of course you're not going to flip the assets to improve the team.
Clearly the ask was boeser + 1 of lekkermaki/willander/d-petey for a 1st + kotkaniemi. Outside chance of kudryavtsev being the prospect. Why on earth are the Canucks going to take on a 5M 3/4C and give up one of their top 3-4 prospects to do so? 3/4 of those prospects wouldn't be traded for the 1st alone let alone having to include Boeser too.
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krutovsdonut
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people should go watch the initial patrick allvin interviews after the tdl expired. he was hot about how bad the offers were for boeser. any last minute canes offer would have been front of his mind.
if someone had just offered him a first for boeser as opposed to offering a first and demanding a prospect back worth more than the first, i'd expect his demeanour and talking point to have been very different. the prospects allvin namechecked as being asked for were willander, lekkermaki and d-elias petterson. a dallas first rounder is not getting any of those players back right now.
if someone had just offered him a first for boeser as opposed to offering a first and demanding a prospect back worth more than the first, i'd expect his demeanour and talking point to have been very different. the prospects allvin namechecked as being asked for were willander, lekkermaki and d-elias petterson. a dallas first rounder is not getting any of those players back right now.
