Rumor: TSN Insiders - Vancouver actively looking for a 20 goal scorer

[clunk]

parenteau was on waivers

So you're saying they had a chance to get good value out of something and didn't take it? This is new to me................

 

[RandV]

“in the light of that, how do you react to both media and fans when they start talking about the tank?â€

Benning responded in kind:

“Yeah, well, I understand the thinking in that, but we have too much pride in this organization. I know how bad our fans want to win, but that’s just not an option for us. We’re going to go out and compete hard every night and try to win games. I’m confident in the job we’re going to do scouting, wherever we pick, we’re going to get a good player in the first round.â€
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"We want to stay competitive while we’re transitioning our young kids, our next group of core players. We don’t want our fans to come to the game and get blown out every night so we can get a top-five pick every year. We want to be competitive and have our kids develop in meaningful games, so we’re trying to walk the fine line of being competitive and drafting and developing our players to get them up and going."


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He doesn't believe in tanking because it'll ruin the kiddies



“We want to be competitive,†Benning told the media Wednesday afternoon. “We want to develop our kids in a winning environment, so we want to be competitive for a playoff spot.â€

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"Our goal is to develop young players in a winning environment, to make the playoffs, and ultimately we want to compete and win the Stanley Cup,"

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"What we’re trying to do is we’re trying to add core prospects ‘on the fly’, as you’d say," Benning continued. "We have a good team, but we want to develop those young players in a winning environment.

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"You can have a lot of good young players, but if they don’t learn and understand what it takes to win and (if) they (don’t) have older players showing them the right way to play and how to win, you end up with a team full of real good players that never wins anything."

The thing is in a nutshell he's not necessarily wrong with a lot of the above, when he took over the team it would be difficult but there was certainly the opportunity to pull off a competitive retool. Problem is he slammed the window shut himself with his own incompetence.

A great way to illustrate this is to consider the change over in the summer of 2015. The prior season Canucks had in the lineup:

Radim Vrbata 79-31-32-63
Nick Bonino 75-15-24-39
Shawn Matthias 78-18-9-27
Brad Richardson 45-8-13-21
Zack Kassian 42-10-6-16

Benning's first order of business was to resign two of the worst players on the team who he acquired to extensions+raises, Dorsett & Sbisa. Then he traded Kassian & a 5th for Brandon Prust. Then Bonino, a 2nd, and Clendening (a few months earlier traded straight up for Gustav Forsling) for Brandon Sutter and a 3rd.

Altogether those moves bled $4mil in cap space, leaving no space for Richardson and Matthias who walked for nothing. Lost a grade A prospect, a couple of picks, and broke the second line chemistry by swapping centers giving Vrbata a guy he obviously had no chemistry with.

It's no wonder we bombed so hard that year, and here we are today.

 

[FireBenningNow]

Benning is the worst GM we've had, and that's saying something.

The thing is in a nutshell he's not necessarily wrong with a lot of the above, when he took over the team it would be difficult but there was certainly the opportunity to pull off a competitive retool. Problem is he slammed the window shut himself with his own incompetence.

A great way to illustrate this is to consider the change over in the summer of 2015. The prior season Canucks had in the lineup:

Radim Vrbata 79-31-32-63
Nick Bonino 75-15-24-39
Shawn Matthias 78-18-9-27
Brad Richardson 45-8-13-21
Zack Kassian 42-10-6-16

Benning's first order of business was to resign two of the worst players on the team who he acquired to extensions+raises, Dorsett & Sbisa. Then he traded Kassian & a 5th for Brandon Prust. Then Bonino, a 2nd, and Clendening (a few months earlier traded straight up for Gustav Forsling) for Brandon Sutter and a 3rd.

Altogether those moves bled $4mil in cap space, leaving no space for Richardson and Matthias who walked for nothing. Lost a grade A prospect, a couple of picks, and broke the second line chemistry by swapping centers giving Vrbata a guy he obviously had no chemistry with.

It's no wonder we bombed so hard that year, and here we are today.

 

[KCC]

Adding one player isn't going to make a difference. They would need to add multiple goal scorers for this team to have any chance. And that probably isn't happening this year.

 

[mikeyp24]

The thing is in a nutshell he's not necessarily wrong with a lot of the above, when he took over the team it would be difficult but there was certainly the opportunity to pull off a competitive retool. Problem is he slammed the window shut himself with his own incompetence.

A great way to illustrate this is to consider the change over in the summer of 2015. The prior season Canucks had in the lineup:

Radim Vrbata 79-31-32-63
Nick Bonino 75-15-24-39
Shawn Matthias 78-18-9-27
Brad Richardson 45-8-13-21
Zack Kassian 42-10-6-16

Benning's first order of business was to resign two of the worst players on the team who he acquired to extensions+raises, Dorsett & Sbisa. Then he traded Kassian & a 5th for Brandon Prust. Then Bonino, a 2nd, and Clendening (a few months earlier traded straight up for Gustav Forsling) for Brandon Sutter and a 3rd.

Altogether those moves bled $4mil in cap space, leaving no space for Richardson and Matthias who walked for nothing. Lost a grade A prospect, a couple of picks, and broke the second line chemistry by swapping centers giving Vrbata a guy he obviously had no chemistry with.

It's no wonder we bombed so hard that year, and here we are today.

Who was the grade A prospect you lost?

Also resigning sbisa was dumb. On the other hand I liked the Dorsett signing I love him as a player. Liked him with the Rangers and with the Jackets as well. He's one.of the top 10 4th liners in the league. You can't just put kids on the 4th line and you need Dorsett or McKenzie (fla) or Rupp style players on that line to be your blue collar physical but still dangerous line.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

Adding one player isn't going to make a difference. They would need to add multiple goal scorers for this team to have any chance. And that probably isn't happening this year.

I would agree... Regardless this team is not a playoff contender. Please bring on the rebuild!!!

 

[le_sean]

Hmmm maybe they should have selected Nylander or Ehlers instead of that plug Virtanen.

 

[notsocommonsense]

I think this is accurate. Nobody is in danger of losing their jobs. Their actual job is to play golf with the owner and not laugh at his hockey ideas. Sedins are in this elite inner circle. How else to explain their uncontested top line positioning every season? They aren't top liners and haven't been for years, yet...?

We all know you hate the Sedins. But try not to sound completely absurd, it detracts from your limited credibility.

Yes, the Sedins would be better off as second liners at this point. However, who on this team would you replace them with as the 1st line? ..... That's right, nobody else is remotely qualified, and it ain't the Sedins fault that the Nucks haven't planned for their decline.

 

[M2Beezy]

Drew Stafford says hello. Free of charge.

Not a chance

We at least offer Boeser if thats ok

 

[RandV]

Who was the grade A prospect you lost?

Maybe a stretch calling him that high but I was talking about Gustav Forsling, who was traded straight up for Adam Clendening because "age gap" then a few months later they decided Clendening didn't have NHL speed. And of course Forsling has already made it into Chicago's lineup, but I guess it's not like we could badly use another offensive minded dman or anything...

 

[Gavy]

Then why does every deal include JVR?!

Because he is our most expendable asset that has a lot of value. Why is this so hard for people to figure out?

 

[Bettman Returnz]

Because he is our most expendable asset that has a lot of value. Why is this so hard for people to figure out?

Which is fine.... And we all know this. It's just the trades (every single one) include him bringing you/Leafs back an unrealistic player.

Ie. Tanev for JVR won't be happening (Tanev is one of, if not our best D's) and JVR will not make as big of an impact on our roster as Tanev. Sure the Canucks could trade for JVR but it won't be for Tanev... Just don't think we're good trading partners.

 

[Gavy]

Which is fine.... And we all know this. It's just the trades (every single one) include him bringing you/Leafs back an unrealistic player.

Ie. Tanev for JVR won't be happening (Tanev is one of, if not our best D's) and JVR will not make as big of an impact on our roster as Tanev. Sure the Canucks could trade for JVR but it won't be for Tanev... Just don't think we're good trading partners.

If we all know this, then whyd you ask why JVR is in every proposal?

 

[Aceboogie]

Vrbata has 4 goals in 9 games this year. 1/5 of way to 20 goals

 

[Street Hawk]

We all know you hate the Sedins. But try not to sound completely absurd, it detracts from your limited credibility.

Yes, the Sedins would be better off as second liners at this point. However, who on this team would you replace them with as the 1st line? ..... That's right, nobody else is remotely qualified, and it ain't the Sedins fault that the Nucks haven't planned for their decline.

It wasn't that the canucks didn't plan for the twins to fade it was they they drafted and developed very poorly.

People keep bringing up so, but they have pavelski and burns from the 2003 draft. Burns, I know was via a trade. But that is basically the canucks with kesler and Edler. Burns is much better than edler. Then take couture from 2007. Thise drafts around that year for the Canucks netted grabner, white, Hodgson, and Schroeder. None delivered.

Add in Vlasic and the canucks counter with tanev. Hertl vs horvat.

Basically their defense is better and they have more scorers because kesler is gone.

If the twins drop down to 50 point or less scorers, it's over. Even at a 60 odd point clip, the canucks are life and death for playoffs. At 50, they are toast

So, doesn't matter if they add, it all rides in the twins producing at a certain clip.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

If we all know this, then whyd you ask why JVR is in every proposal?

It's just he gets jammed down everyone's throat in every trade proposal. Long story short, not good trading partners so doesn't make any sense in this regard... Mute point.

Much like now Sbisa for Canucks, DD for Montreal etc. If you are trying that hard to move a player from your own team the chances are low that another team is going to jump in there with a "fair market trade".

 

[M2Beezy]

It's just he gets jammed down everyone's throat in every trade proposal. Long story short, not good trading partners so doesn't make any sense in this regard... Mute point.

Much like now Sbisa for Canucks, DD for Montreal etc. If you are trying that hard to move a player from your own team the chances are low that another team is going to jump in there with a "fair market trade".

Yeah but Benning

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Hmmm maybe they should have selected Nylander or Ehlers instead of that plug Virtanen.

20 years old. Already a bust. Keep it up HF, never cease to amaze with the amount of stupidity in one place. And here I thought America was in bad this month.

Maybe a stretch calling him that high but I was talking about Gustav Forsling, who was traded straight up for Adam Clendening because "age gap" then a few months later they decided Clendening didn't have NHL speed. And of course Forsling has already made it into Chicago's lineup, but I guess it's not like we could badly use another offensive minded dman or anything...

A stretch? Like Mr fantastic like stretch there bud, Forsling is the furthest thing from a grade A prospect. At best he's a project that is trending slightly up. I still don't see this top pairing potential all you guys clamour over this kid, he's small, weak and only great on the PP otherwise quite mediocre.
Yet everyone wants to linch Larsen already and he's the exact same player.

Vrbata has 4 goals in 9 games this year. 1/5 of way to 20 goals

He also pouts like a 7 year old not getting a toy in Walmart when mommy is there for her morning after pill. Probably ends the season sub-20 goals after the Yotes coaching staff sees how quickly he loses interest in any other part of the game save for shooting the puck high and wide or straight into the logo. 2 years and 10 million on this baby has only shown he can't play outside his comfort zone at all, and at 35/36 years old, that's just not a quality you want in a 10 year NHL veteran. Maybe a 3rd year NHL tweener you can get away with it, but if you're a 5 million dollar player like he was. Just no.

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

I heard Tanev is out tonight. Didn't hear if it was maintenance or not. Trade in the works?

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Yeah but Benning

Do you have anything constructive to say anymore? Like at all? This isn't going to change, Aquaweenie isn't going to just sell the team which'll allow us to go full rebuild.

Even if we brought in a new GM he would be told the same thing as Benning, do you people honestly not understand this?


Don't we have mods on here to deal with this stupid crap?

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Benning is the worst GM we've had, and that's saying something.

No he isn't, has he been good, no, is he the worst? Nope, please tell me what game changing player Benning has traded away?

 

[MagicalRazor]

Would vancouver be up for

Toronto gives : JVR 20-30 Goal scorer
For
Vancouver gives : Carl Neil + ?

I think Neil would help the leafs and is more expendable than Tanev or Olli Juolevi


and what would you offer for a plus?


Jvr fits vans needs and Neil fits the leafs 22 years old , big right handed D

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

Would vancouver be up for

Toronto gives : JVR 20-30 Goal scorer
For
Vancouver gives : Carl Neil + ?

Depends on the + but you would likely need to take Sbisa for cap purposes.

 

[RandV]

A stretch? Like Mr fantastic like stretch there bud, Forsling is the furthest thing from a grade A prospect. At best he's a project that is trending slightly up. I still don't see this top pairing potential all you guys clamour over this kid, he's small, weak and only great on the PP otherwise quite mediocre.

Depends on how you want to define it, but there's no denying that he's a 5th round pick who at age 20 two years after being draft has made the NHL. That's pretty damned good for a Dman. I'm using 'grade A' as in legit NHLer, not commenting on any sort of upside.

 

[MagicalRazor]

Depends on the + but you would likely need to take Sbisa for cap purposes.

2 years at 2.7 the + would have to be greater what would your + be?