LeBrun: TSN insider trading Keep an eye on Gourde as a fit for the Leafs if they don't land Schenn or Laughton.

[NMacrules]

We're not getting a center that is 5'9 to play anywhere near the bottom 6. He only has 16 points on the season and is often injured. He has only played one season of 82 games and a couple 80 games. He will be 34 in December. This is NOT the guy the Leafs should go after. If Tre trades any of our top prospects for this guy I'll puke. Dreger is great at starting rumours. Has Dreger actually ever broken a trade? Gourde is a non starter. Jarnkrok and Kampf are both better players. Playoffs you need guys with size.

 

[StlBigFly]

That was 5 years ago we really need to stop bringing that up likeit's not a once in a lifetime thing.

Yeah I’m not going to forget it happened.

 

[Fatass]

Doubtful. He's 33 years old and barely a half point per game player.

Proven playoff performer and Cup winner.
Leafs pay a lot to get that. And with the Tanev injury last night they might add Luke too. All in this year.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

We're not getting a center that is 5'9 to play anywhere near the bottom 6. He only has 16 points on the season and is often injured. He has only played one season of 82 games and a couple 80 games. He will be 34 in December. This is NOT the guy the Leafs should go after. If Tre trades any of our top prospects for this guy I'll puke. Dreger is great at starting rumours. Has Dreger actually ever broken a trade? Gourde is a non starter. Jarnkrok and Kampf are both better players. Playoffs you need guys with size.

Jarnkrok and Kampf are very VERY not better players, especially not Kampf.

Also why is him being 34 in December relevant he's a rental.

 

[ITM]

Apparently a number of scouts were at a recent LAK/VGK game, including two from Toronto. Consistent with our club's needs, if Danault is being scouted, I'm much more optimistic by that possibility than others mentioned.

Proven playoff performer and Cup winner.
Leafs pay a lot to get that. And with the Tanev injury last night they might add Luke too. All in this year.

Parayko? (please.)

 

[Go Wings]

I think it's far more likely Gourde ends up in Detroit especially with losing Copp for the season.

 

[Face Of Bear]

Gourde has negative value

 

[NMacrules]

Jarnkrok and Kampf are very VERY not better players, especially not Kampf.

Also why is him being 34 in December relevant he's a rental.

I don't want rentals. We have a unique opportunity to bring in some elite players with the cap skyrocketing for the next 3 or 4 years. And, there is a chance Marner is going to the highest bidder. So that is another hunk of change. We could go after Rants, Ehlers, B Schenn plus plus. There are big name players available this year.

 

[Fatass]

Apparently a number of scouts were at a recent LAK/VGK game, including two from Toronto. Consistent with our club's needs, if Danault is being scouted, I'm much more optimistic by that possibility than others mentioned.


Parayko? (please.)

B Schenn and C Parayko added to an already stacked club could certainly put the Leafs over the top.

 

[kerrabria]

I haven't even watched Gourde the past few years, and I know this will be a bad trade.
A highly physical, positionally versatile, 2x cup winner? He'll cost a 1st Round Pick plus more for 50% retention.
His numbers and usage look like a cup winner's 4C or a pretender's underwhelming 3C. But the Leafs have plenty of internal options for a luxury fourth line center. Would be a poor use of assets.

Reminds me of Florida's Chiarot trade.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

No it's an auditory thing. A lot of people hear Laurel Gourde.

Amazing.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

On the latest insider trading Dreger opened up by saying that the Leafs are motivated to do something at this years deadline, and that the prospect pool is there and that teams like the Blues are paying attention, he specifically mentioned Minten, Cowan, Danford and Grebenkin.

That's why I disagreed when it was posted on here that the Leafs prospect pool was ranked 30th because you do have Cowan and Minten and Danford and Grebs.

And Grebs and Minten are VERY close to ready, they have already played games this year.

But near the end of the segment Lebrun said to keep an eye on Yanni Groude and the Leafs if they can't land Schenn or Laughton.

I understand Schenn being the #1 option, he should be the #1 option.

But I'd take Groude over Laughton any day because I'm 100X more comfortable with Groude at center then I am with Laughton.

I'd take Laughton on the team tomorrow but as a winger not as a center to me Groude is the CLEAR #2 option.

And he's likely going to be cheaper to get then Laughton

Never change trade deadline.

The only time of year teams and fans trip over themselves at the chance of getting amazing players like Schenn, Laughton and Gourde - all while paying 1st rd picks, and great prospects just for the pleasure!

Count me out as someone interested in any of these players - I hope the leafs trade for all three to save the Jets from themselves.

Note: if the Jets DO trade for one of these players I reserve the right to completely change my mind and whoever we sign will obviously be the best player ever.

 

[FerrisRox]

I don't get the point of any of these targets.

Gourde and Laughton won't move the needle one bit for the Maple Leafs and would be a total waste of whatever assets it would cost to acquire them.

While Schenn would upgrade the roster, his age and term make this a very undesirable choice. If Brayden was a pending UFA I would understand, but I have no interest in him beyond this season.

While I agree the Leafs, ideally, should be seeking a third line centre with term, that player should not be 33 years old with 1000 games to his credit. Too old to be committing to beyond this year.

 

[Prairie Habs]

If I see Gourde in a Leafs jersey, I might puke

You must have been nauseous for a long time, because the leafs and bolts have the same jerseys

 

[FerrisRox]

Proven playoff performer and Cup winner.
Leafs pay a lot to get that. And with the Tanev injury last night they might add Luke too. All in this year.

It's hilarious that you think an "All In" year would be acquiring 33-year old Brayden Schenn and 35-year old Luke Schenn!

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Gourde has negative value

I don't get the point of any of these targets.

Gourde and Laughton won't move the needle one bit for the Maple Leafs and would be a total waste of whatever assets it would cost to acquire them.

While Schenn would upgrade the roster, his age and term make this a very undesirable choice. If Brayden was a pending UFA I would understand, but I have no interest in him beyond this season.

While I agree the Leafs, ideally, should be seeking a third line centre with term, that player should not be 33 years old with 1000 games to his credit. Too old to be committing to beyond this year.

I agree to a point that the term is a concern, although with the cap sky rocketing not as much.

But, and I've said this before If You Have a team that.

A is tied for 4th overall in the league.

B is leading the Atlantic with games in hand.

C has a goalie tandem that has been providing elite goaltending all year, last night aside and they still won.

The Leafs are all these things.

So if now is not the time to take go all in, TRULY all in when is it?

 

[Face Of Bear]

I agree to a point that the term is a concern, although with the cap sky rocketing not as much.

But, and I've said this before If You Have a team that.

A is tied for 4th overall in the league.

B is leading the Atlantic with games in hand.

C has a goalie tandem that has been providing elite goaltending all year, last night aside and they still won.

The Leafs are all these things.

So if now is not the time to take go all in, TRULY all in when is it?

Gourde isn't "going all in".

He's no better than Domi.

 

[Budz]

B Schenn and C Parayko added to an already stacked club could certainly put the Leafs over the top.

Adding 13 million in cap.

Kinda doubt it.

 

[sd1976]

I agree to a point that the term is a concern, although with the cap sky rocketing not as much.

But, and I've said this before If You Have a team that.

A is tied for 4th overall in the league.

B is leading the Atlantic with games in hand.

C has a goalie tandem that has been providing elite goaltending all year, last night aside and they still won.

The Leafs are all these things.

So if now is not the time to take go all in, TRULY all in when is it?

Last night aside? If not for goaltending the score would have been 5-0 after the 1st and ended in the third or overtime. The goaltending was steller

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Gourde isn't "going all in".

He's no better than Domi.

That post that you qouted is in reference to Brayden Schenn.

But I meant to respond to you too, because no Yanni Gourde is not a negative value asset not even close.

But even if he was I'd still take him.

Because I'm not against getting a quality 3C and getting assets to take him.

But he's not a negative value asset not even close

 

[FerrisRox]

I agree to a point that the term is a concern, although with the cap sky rocketing not as much.

But, and I've said this before If You Have a team that.

A is tied for 4th overall in the league.

B is leading the Atlantic with games in hand.

C has a goalie tandem that has been providing elite goaltending all year, last night aside and they still won.

The Leafs are all these things.

So if now is not the time to take go all in, TRULY all in when is it?

I'm not commenting on if the Leafs should go for it or not, I'm saying Yanni Gourde and Scott Laughton do *nothing* to improve the Leafs weaknesses and Schenn, while I think he would be an upgrade, is too old to really matter and not someone I want on my team or on my cap until 2028.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Last night aside? If not for goaltending the score would have been 5-0 after the 1st and ended in the third or overtime. The goaltending was steller

He had his moments for sure but to me he looked like he was fighting the puck, there were rebounds he gave up that he usually doesn't.

But as I said in the post game thread that's fine he's done WAY more then his fair share.

The Leafs owe Stolarz that game and 15-20 more.

 

[HockeyVirus]

The cost for B Schenn will be through the roof. First + young roster player + top prospect and maybe even more.

Come on now. He's 33 with 3 years left after this and has already been questionable at his cap hit.

I'm not commenting on if the Leafs should go for it or not, I'm saying Yanni Gourde and Scott Laughton do *nothing* to improve the Leafs weaknesses and Schenn, while I think he would be an upgrade, is too old to really matter and not someone I want on my team or on my cap until 2028.

And what are the Leafs weaknesses? They need center help and ideally that center is someone who can provide depth scoring.

 

[FerrisRox]

Come on now. He's 33 with 3 years left after this and has already been questionable at his cap hit.



And what are the Leafs weaknesses? They need center help and ideally that center is someone who can provide depth scoring.

I think the Leafs weaknesses are a lack of secondary scoring, a defenseman that could be utilized as a legit shooting threat on the power play and size and toughness in the forward ranks that would make them more difficult to play against and a team that can physically wear down their opponents.

Laughton isn't even a centre, so I can't even understand why the would even bother. He also's not a legit scoring threat that's going to move the needle and he doesn't bring size or strength.

Gourde is under-sized, weak and his days as depth scorer have passed particularly when you factor in that in moving to the Leafs, he'd be dropping down to a bottom six situation with very little support scorers around him. I don't see the point in bothering with Gourde at this point.

I like what Brayden Schenn brings to the Maple Leafs. I think he could add that depth scoring, I think he would be a huge boost to the leadership group in Toronto, he would definitely upgrade the physicality of the forward group and I like his two-way game. He is clearly the best of these three options (in fact, he's the only choice, in my opinion as the other two don't move the needle at all) but I'm not really excited about the idea of Schenn until 2028. I've only seen him play a handful of games this year - so this is certainly not a qualified take - but I find his speed is definitely a notch down from where it was a few years ago and that definitely was a big part of what made him special both offensively and defensively so I'd be wary of acquiring him for his age 34, 35 and 36 seasons.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I think the Leafs weaknesses are a lack of secondary scoring, a defenseman that could be utilized as a legit shooting threat on the power play and size and toughness in the forward ranks that would make them more difficult to play against and a team that can physically wear down their opponents.

Laughton isn't even a centre, so I can't even understand why the would even bother. He also's not a legit scoring threat that's going to move the needle and he doesn't bring size or strength.

Gourde is under-sized, weak and his days as depth scorer have passed particularly when you factor in that in moving to the Leafs, he'd be dropping down to a bottom six situation with very little support scorers around him. I don't see the point in bothering with Gourde at this point.

I like what Brayden Schenn brings to the Maple Leafs. I think he could add that depth scoring, I think he would be a huge boost to the leadership group in Toronto, he would definitely upgrade the physicality of the forward group and I like his two-way game. He is clearly the best of these three options (in fact, he's the only choice, in my opinion as the other two don't move the needle at all) but I'm not really excited about the idea of Schenn until 2028. I've only seen him play a handful of games this year - so this is certainly not a qualified take - but I find his speed is definitely a notch down from where it was a few years ago and that definitely was a big part of what made him special both offensively and defensively so I'd be wary of acquiring him for his age 34, 35 and 36 seasons.

I don't think the Leafs weakness is physicality at all. They have a lot of pieces that play a heavy game all over the lineup. I'm honestly sick of hearing about that aspect of the game from fans. They need scoring, straight up. The other pieces are nice to haves.

They haven't been losing in the playoffs because of anything other than inability to score on the PP and 5v5 and shaky goaltending. One of those things is fixed. The other is as much of an issue as it has ever been.