Value of: Troy Terry to PIT

[Arthuros]

Pass. Pittsburgh doesn't have the blue chip prospect we'd be looking for in return on top of what you're proposing.

Age is not nearly as big a factor as it was for Lindholm + Manson because Terry's only 25. Not only that, he was pacing very similarly for points despite not being next to Getzlaf. Not looking to give him up for lottery tickets here.

 

[Gurglesons]

lol you think a guy whose career high is 67 points is gonna command 9 million?

Yes. His numbers are nearly identical to Hintz. I think he's in that 8.25-9 million dollar range if he gets a long term deal or if he goes to arb.

You think Terry is getting 9 mil long term? lol. He's not that good.

Just the reality of the contract world.

I think he ends up at 7-8 range

He's got arb rights. I think he pushes 8 at worst.

 

[wej20]

Pens don't have the assets to make an enticing package for Terry. Terry's great but he's not the sort of player the Pens should be targetting.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

You think Terry is getting 9 mil long term? lol. He's not that good.

Terry is extremely good. When he's not in the lineup his absense is felt much more than Zegras absense. I think Zegras is one of the most overrated players in the salary cap era.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

So you think they give Terry a 9 mil full term deal?

Probably closer to the Kyrou deal. As for Pittsburgh trying to acquire him. Pretty confident they don't have the assets that Anaheim would be interested in

 

[Gurglesons]

Terry is extremely good. When he's not in the lineup his absense is felt much more than Zegras absense. I think Zegras is one of the most overrated players in the salary cap era.

Zegras rocks.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Yes. His numbers are nearly identical to Hintz. I think he's in that 8.25-9 million dollar range if he gets a long term deal or if he goes to arb.

How are they nearly identical to Hintz? Hintz has been a better player by varying degrees for each of the 3 last years and is basically a PPG centre (i'm a Ducks fan and big Terry fan, btw). I don't think Troy's there, certainly not right now.

 

[Gurglesons]

Probably closer to the Kyrou deal. As for Pittsburgh trying to acquire him. Pretty confident they don't have the assets that Anaheim would be interested in

Probably gets a sight bump due to the cap increase next year tho. So yeah 8.25 - 9 mil is where I see it resting.

 

[Phil68]

I don't see Troy Terry going anywhere if the Ducks get Bedard

 

[Gurglesons]

How are they nearly identical to Hintz? Hintz has been a better player by varying degrees for each of the 3 last years and is basically a PPG centre (i'm a Ducks fan and big Terry fan, btw). I don't think Troy's there, certainly not right now.

Hintz's peak season prior to his contract is pretty much identical to what Terry did in his peak season.

I think Terry also has Anaheim over a barrel if he wants to get paid.

I don't see Troy Terry going anywhere if the Ducks get Bedard

Honestly think that is why they would move him tbh..

Recalibrates your core to be McTavish, Zegras, and Bedard and your building a core forward group in a 3-4 year age realm.

Gives you one more year to bottom out next year and then you start putting together the team.

 

[HanSolo]

I'm late to the party but I'll try to bring some substance to it. They still retain RFA rights on a guy who will be in his prime once the team gets going and Terry's numbers will improve once they build out a better team with a real coach.

There's no reason to move him for anything less than a stupid overpay. I'm not saying the Pens don't have the assets to do it but it would take a lot to make it make sense for Anaheim. A lot more than what's in the OP.

 

[lwvs84]

What the Ducks need is young top pair D and young top line forwards... Terry is the latter.

 

[wej20]

I'm late to the party but I'll try to bring some substance to it. They still retain RFA rights on a guy who will be in his prime once the team gets going and Terry's numbers will improve once they build out a better team with a real coach.

There's no reason to move him for anything less than a stupid overpay. I'm not saying the Pens don't have the assets to do it but it would take a lot to make it make sense for Anaheim. A lot more than what's in the OP.

I don't think the Pens have the assets. Unless they win the lottery and move up a bunch of spots, even then that seems a total backwards move for Anaheim.

 

[HanSolo]

I don't think the Pens have the assets. Unless they win the lottery and move up a bunch of spots, even then that seems a total backwards move for Anaheim.

I can probably conceive of something ridiculous the Pens can offer to get it done but Pens fans would riot if it happened IRL. The point was more that it simply doesn't make sense for them, and conversely Pittsburgh to do it. I understand the instinct to go for a young talented guy currently in a bad situation but it's not enough for Anaheim to surrender leverage.

 

[Gurglesons]

I can probably conceive of something ridiculous the Pens can offer to get it done but Pens fans would riot if it happened IRL. The point was more that it simply doesn't make sense for them, and conversely Pittsburgh to do it. I understand the instinct to go for a young talented guy currently in a bad situation but it's not enough for Anaheim to surrender leverage.

You don’t see two 1sts doing it?

 

[HanSolo]

You don’t see two 1sts doing it?

What as in consecutive years? No I don't a 14th overall pick and a 12-20 overall pick doing it. Terry can already be a 60-80 point player depending on the lineup and coach. The Ducks could hit with two middle of the round picks, sure but they know what they have in Terry and if Verbeek can start putting together a competitive lineup around their 2023 pick, Zegras, McTavish, Dostal, Terry, Zellweger, Drysdale, Mintyukov, then why move one of those pieces away for a couple of mystery boxes that could take 4-5 years to have a roster impact or bust out?

If Terry asked for a trade, then it'd be a different conversation.

 

[Gurglesons]

What as in consecutive years? No I don't a 14th overall pick and a 12-20 overall pick doing it. Terry can already be a 60-80 point player depending on the lineup and coach. The Ducks could hit with two middle of the round picks, sure but they know what they have in Terry and if Verbeek can start putting together a competitive lineup around their 2023 pick, Zegras, McTavish, Dostal, Terry, Zellweger, Drysdale, Mintyukov, then why move one of those pieces away for a couple of mystery boxes that could take 4-5 years to have a roster impact or bust out?

If Terry asked for a trade, then it'd be a different conversation.

I think it has to do with structuring their cap the correct way personally. But fair. If Anaheim will not accept futures for Terry and only wants prospects there is.no way PIT can make the deal.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Probably gets a sight bump due to the cap increase next year tho. So yeah 8.25 - 9 mil is where I see it resting.

Why would he get a bump if the contracts start at the same time?

 

[PullHard]

He has arb rights. You don't think he is a comparable to Norris, Thomas, Hintz etc?

Those three players play C and have varying degrees of ppg/ pace/ adv stats over Terry, which admittedly would probably look a lot better if Terry was stapled to Crosby or Malkin or just played on a better team in general. But it doesn't remove the fact that you just listed a bunch of prime aged 1/1b Cs in comparison to Terry.

 

[HanSolo]

I think it has to do with structuring their cap the correct way personally. But fair. If Anaheim will not accept futures for Terry and only wants prospects there is.no way PIT can make the deal.

It's not that I don't think they'd take futures. Just that that package isn't enough to make it make sense for the Ducks. In a bubble you could argue that a little add might be fair, but again you have to approach this from the perspective that the guy figures into the team's future plans so there's no reason to move him unless it's something Verbeek can't say no to. The kind of deal where it would be professional negligence to reject.

If you were talking a top ten pick this year, it's a different story. Hell if Pittsburgh jumped ten spots I think it's a lot more workable given the pool of prospects in that range. But the idea is, to me they can't sit around and try to rebuild forever and end up with old man Zegras as the legacy guy by the time the team is ready to compete. One way or another things have to be structured around the Ducks building around the oldest of the youth core approaching their prime years and a couple of mid first rounders isn't enough incentive to part with a core piece of that future.

 

[pbgoalie]

Terry also has a brain and leadership abilities to be very valuable to Anaheim.
As mentioned. It would likely have to be An overpayment

Terry also has a brain and leadership abilities to be very valuable to Anaheim.
As mentioned. It would likely have to be An overpayment

 

[Mr Rogers]

If we were moving Terry, there are likely other teams that would be a better fit.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Terry also has a brain and leadership abilities to be very valuable to Anaheim.
As mentioned. It would likely have to be An overpayment

Terry also has a brain and leadership abilities to be very valuable to Anaheim.
As mentioned. It would likely have to be An overpayment

What do you mean by 'Terry also has a brain'?

 

[Honour Over Glory]

What would it cost?

2023 1st, 2024 2nd, POJ / Ty Smith?

Terry would make a fantastic 4th line Center - GM/HC - Mike Sullivan probably.

For fun though, if we can move Malkin to wing and have Terry as the 2C that'd be great but I think to lessen the loss of whatever prospects we have the Pens would probably need to take On Gibson as the goalie and the hometown ties might be enticing.

With no retention on Gibson with Terry I think the Pens can manoeuvre a better deal.

POJ, 2nd in 2024, rights to Jarry and Puustinen.

 

[dracom]

Terry would make a fantastic 4th line Center - GM/HC - Mike Sullivan probably.

For fun though, if we can move Malkin to wing and have Terry as the 2C that'd be great but I think to lessen the loss of whatever prospects we have the Pens would probably need to take On Gibson as the goalie and the hometown ties might be enticing.

With no retention on Gibson with Terry I think the Pens can manoeuvre a better deal.

POJ, 2nd in 2024, rights to Jarry and Puustinen.

fyi, Terry is not a center; i don't think he's ever played center on anaheim. also easy no on that deal ducks aren't trading Terry or Gibson