My examples show that an 8 game sample is meaningless.
Well, you failed mightily. You were just shown a very clear example of a player maintaining their opening pace over the course of an entire season after insisting that doesn't happen. Well done.
Esp for a player who had only 5 worse d-men than him in the entire league and most of the players with numbers like him are either not in the league anymore (Cowen), or not gettting regular starts (Stuart) or are bad contracts stuck with the team for the forseeable future (Andy McDonald).
But that's no longer relevant. Again, your relying on this one data point is to assume all young players are doomed to repeat their first season. If that was the case, Joe Thornton would never have been a 0.5 PPG player never mind one capable of 90+ assists. You keep repeating this without any other evidence of note.
It seems to me Nurse is more likely to fall off, esp considering he has only 2 primary points, is playing the easiest minutes out of any Oiler getting the most Offensive-to-Defensive zone starts(56%) and easiest quality of competition. Clearly the coach doesn't trust him enough. I wouldn't be surprised if he falls off although I imagine he will get a few secondary assists after he is fed PP time.
He's being handled with kid gloves, and I think that's a perfectly acceptable approach. It's up to Nurse to keep producing and earning his coach's trust, but 20 points is still 20 points. As said, he'd have to net fewer than 17 over the next 73 games to miss that mark. After that, he's only gaining on Trouba offensively.
Nah, Nurse is what he is, he has never produced at a particularly great level for a defensemen in Jrs.
Incorrect once again. It's clear you aren't doing your homework. Nurse finished second among all OHL draft eligibles in points in 2012-13, tied for 10th among all D his next year, and was at a PPG in his partial last year. He was also SSM's scoring leader in the 2014 playoffs.
Struggled in the NHL, only the Oilers who have been deprived of good defensive prospects would rate him highly.
A slam on the Oilers- that's a new dimension to your posts, but not surprising considering you've brought little in the way of substance.
It takes a special level of being bad to have only 5 defensemen in the league who have worse shot metrics than, that is such a shocking statistic. I don't think you appreciate how bad it is to do that in league of 220 + dmen. It's the bottom 2%. It's so bad that if you try to see it in a HERO chart it would be off the charts. It needs to be weighed heavily when discussing a trade for a prime asset like Trouba.
It needs to be weighed no more and no less than Draisaitl's difficult 2014-15 season does today when assessing his trade value. That is, it has no bearing.
Interesing so he regressed from his 19 year old season to his 20 year old season? That is worrying esp for a prospect who never put up numbers like you would expect from a 6th overall pick. Also very worrying that Kylington a 60th overall pick would outproduce him despite being a year younger.
Wrong on the facts once more. Nurse has consistently improved year-over-year offensively in every league he's spent significant time in:
OHL:
11-12: 0.19 PPG
12-13: 0.60 PPG
13-14: 0.78 PPG
14-15: 0.92 PPG
NHL:
15-16: 0.14 PPG
16-17: 0.38 PPG
You said that Chevy might be stupid enough to make that trade. He may or may not be, but I thank your acknowledgement of how terrible Trouba for Nurse trade is.
Wrong again. What I actually said was:
I'm not sure what Chevy has done to be deemed a decent GM
My point was solely around his professed competence as a general manager; you were the one to tie it into whether he'd then make the move or not.
Nah, it would be like trading like the 6th worst d-man in the entire league statistically for a bonafide #2 defenseman at the same age. I know it's hard for you to hear but truth must be spoken
If you want to use a singular statistical category, okay. But that also means Erik Karlsson is the worst in the league because he led all D in shots against last year. Both stats mean just about the same in terms of evaluating a player overall- that is, a very, very small part of the picture.
But you're right, the gulf between Connor and Larkin is less than that between Nurse and Trouba.
You tried to play it off smart with an analogy that was deeply flawed and got caught. Not really my fault.
As it is, Connor (0.29 PPG) compares to one-year-older McCann (0.23 PPG) in the same way Nurse (0.38 PPG) compares to one-year-older Trouba (0.34 PPG); one is different by 0.06 PPG and the other by 0.04. You won't find a closer match- Connor and Larkin, meanwhile, is nearly double the difference.
Your argument is like someone who doesn't know how to swim kick around as they are drowning in the ocean. Non-sensical, illinformed and poorly constructed.
Just claiming that you are right isn't how one wins an argument. Presenting actual facts and numbers is; unfortunately, you were shown to be in the wrong four times in just your last post alone. You can go through them and count.
Here, look, I'll do for it you:
-Arguing pace is not a real thing and then being given an example of the very player this thread is about maintaining their 8-game opening pace for 81.
-Claiming Nurse never produced at a "particularly great level", while finishing 2nd in his draft year in points, 10th the next and a PPG his last- all the definition of "particularly great level".
-Further claiming Nurse had not improved on his production year-over-year, when a basic examination of the numbers showed his PPG actually did increase every year.
-Finally, trying to suggest that two numbers 0.06 apart is a greater difference than 0.33, which is not only incorrect but a staggeringly bad application of math.
Without even counting your factually incorrect claims about NHL history, posts literally just up the page and the application of advanced stats, that's four times you came up short via hard numbers...
That gif of the lovely Jennifer Lawrence probably gave you more respect than the silliness of your "player will leave 26 million dollars on the table" argument deserved.
...and no amount of deflecting with GIFs can or will help your case. Try all the memes, analogies and diversions you want, but the facts aren't with you and that's patently obvious. Everyone can quite plainly see you coming up short time and time again.
