Trial Date Set for Apr 22nd for the 5 Canadian World Junior Players

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Thats why again, I said I reserve judgement until trial. Yet I get attacked for having that viewpoint.

Some people believe in the "Lord of the Flies" philosophy.
I see where you’re coming from. I just think the person you’re engaging with here does not want to go so far as to say the five accused are innocent given the seriousness of the issue at hand.

Unless it comes out that they were falsely accused, innocent might be too strong of a word to use.
 
I see where you’re coming from. I just think the person you’re engaging with here does not want to go so far as to say the five accused are innocent given the seriousness of the issue at hand.

Unless it comes out that they were falsely accused, innocent might be too strong of a word to use.
Much of the evidence is unknown and comes to light during a trial. I don't believe in lynch mobs or lynch mob mentality.
 
I see where you’re coming from. I just think the person you’re engaging with here does not want to go so far as to say the five accused are innocent given the seriousness of the issue at hand.

Unless it comes out that they were falsely accused, innocent might be too strong of a word to use.
Its sad that people feel the need to attack others with a difference of opinion. Some clown going on about Prussia is just bizarre.
 
Or that they are innocent? Is that not a possibility? There are multiple instances where athletes have been accused of sexual assualt only to be cleared years later or even after spending years in prison.

I always reserve my judgement until a trial plays out because its the moral thing to do.
They could be, but intelligent men to me don't invite themselves to a woman who can't consent, or at least stop when other guys try to.
 
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They could be, but intelligent men to me don't invite themselves to a woman who can't consent, or at least stop when other guys try to.
So all the innocent people in prison belong to be there because they put themselves into a position that can be misunderstood or used against them?

You weren't there so how do you know what happened???
 
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He backed down 😎
 

Did you have your pitch forks out for this? It goes 2 ways.
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This is such a rare event. When you take into account how many assaults aren’t reported at all, the few who lied about one are extremely small.

Note: I’m not saying they did it. What I’m saying is that a victim reporting an assault is overwhelmingly unlikely to be lying.
 
This is such a rare event. When you take into account how many assaults aren’t reported at all, the few who lied about one are extremely small.

Note: I’m not saying they did it. What I’m saying is that a victim reporting an assault is overwhelmingly unlikely to be lying.
Right but I have seen multiple posters say the hockey players are guilty or the poster themselves would never put themselves into a position to be accused or that its the players fault for being there.

When the truth is there are people in prison who are falsely accused like Brian Banks who was accused of rape and kidnapping at the age of 17. It can happen to anyone at anytime and you don't need to be in a compromising position to be accused of it.

Its a lesson to give caution to jumping to conclusions and to listen to both sides.
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Its a criminal law principle called Blackstone's principle and is the foundation of our justice system.
 
Were any plea deals offered at any point?

If the Defense are pushing for trial they expect to win. These guys have money and top tier lawyers.

I expect all of them to be acquitted.

If/when they do, it will be interesting to see if they are still backballed from the league.
In the new America, I expect them to get a warm welcome back, but they have missed too much time and lost more than a few steps.
 
In the new America, I expect them to get a warm welcome back, but they have missed too much time and lost more than a few steps.
the NHL tried to do its own investigation for this very reason but the alleged victim refused to cooperate with the NHL and refused to answer any questions.

ESPN.

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I see where you’re coming from. I just think the person you’re engaging with here does not want to go so far as to say the five accused are innocent given the seriousness of the issue at hand.

Unless it comes out that they were falsely accused, innocent might be too strong of a word to use.
That's why the term in a criminal trial is "not guily". The verdict is never "innocent", it's that there is not enough evidence to prove the defendant guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

The other poster (correctly) making this distinction is entirely correct. "Not guilty" =/= innocent.

Its sad that people feel the need to attack others with a difference of opinion. Some clown going on about Prussia is just bizarre.
The statement that, "a not guilty verdict does not necessarily mean the defendants are innocent" is not a difference of opinion. It is simply a correct statement.
 
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That's why the term in a criminal trial is "not guily". The verdict is never "innocent", it's that there is not enough evidence to prove the defendant guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
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The other poster (correctly) making this distinction is entirely correct. "Not guilty" =/= innocent.


The statement that, "a not guilty verdict does not necessarily mean the defendants are innocent" is not a difference of opinion. It is simply a correct statement.
Except the guy quoted me specifically and said I implied that and I was wrong to make such inference. ...Make that statement all you want put don't direct it at me if you aren't implying some garbage statement that I "implied"

Being found guilty doesn't mean you did it.
Being found innocent doesn't mean you didn't do it

and water is wet...

You can say it about every case
 
Thats why again, I said I reserve judgement until trial. Yet I get attacked for having that viewpoint.
I hear you. In my life I’ve now known two men falsely accused of abuse. And it was a meat grinder for them.

But I know many more women who were abused, harassed,, etc. - from a relatively small-scale to full on SA. And most often they didn’t report it because they knew they wouldn’t get to trial or prevail at trial.

You can say to wait for the verdict. That’s the system we have. But many people’s personal experiences and the available data suggest that perpetrators getting away with their behaviours is FAR more common than folks being wrongfully accused.

Add in anyone’s experiences with rich and famous young men in particular…

I don’t know. If I had to bet my life in any one of these instances like this case, I’d take the odds and pick guilty.

It’s a crappy state of affairs.
 
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What do I, a lone 3rd party observer with no connections to anyone involved, need a trial for? Lol, what to show me evidence and present legal arguments for or against those five? Please, I'm a modern-day Western civilization internet warrior with a moral superiority complex. I've already decided they are guilty. Time to post on HF and twitter so people will see me!
 
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