Trent Frederic

[McFlyingV]

Anyone that's ever had an ankle sprain is probably aware that they can be extremely painful and take a long time to fully heal, and are highly susceptible to reinjury. I wish him the best, but it would likely had been better if he suffered a small fracture.

Yes and no. We're basically just saying a minor injury is better than a moderate injury, but you don't exactly get to choose what you fracture, how severe it is, and how complicated it is with a trauma to the ankle. There's plenty of fractures in the ankle/foot/lower leg that you wouldn't want to get that may require surgery, months off, healing complications, etc. I'd take the sprain any day over rolling the dice on a fracture. At least with a high ankle sprain there are ways to tape, brace, or manage pain if you come back early that won't have any long term impacts on the ankle, whereas you often can't do the same (or at least shouldn't) with a fracture until it's actually healed. And I say "at least shouldn't" because hockey players play through injuries that they shouldn't in the playoffs quite often.

 

[McFlyingV]

Really makes me wonder if Kane will play before the season ends and Ekholm will just sit out

Is that long enough for Ekholm to qualify for LTIR? I don't think it is which would mean they can't do that.

I think Kane being on the trip is just so that he can get more reps in actual lines and drills instead of just skating back in Edmonton without that exposure.

 

[Arpeggio]

Is that long enough for Ekholm to qualify for LTIR? I don't think it is which would mean they can't do that.

I think Kane being on the trip is just so that he can get more reps in actual lines and drills instead of just skating back in Edmonton without that exposure.

It would be wouldn't it? If it's 10 games and 24 days then I think that would take them right to the end of the season, no? I think it would be retroactive to when he last played.

 

[McFlyingV]

It would be wouldn't it? If it's 10 games and 24 days then I think that would take them right to the end of the season, no? I think it would be retroactive to when he last played.

You might be right. I was more posing the question hoping someone would clarify as I'm not sure the specifics on LTIR. If that's the case then that might not be a bad idea to get Ekholm healthy and Kane some reps if he's ready.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

 

[Arpeggio]

If they're taking morning skates does that mean they could play by next week? Really want to see Frederic and Kane in the lineup, these last couple of months have really dragged lol.

 

[Canovin]

If they're taking morning skates does that mean they could play by next week? Really want to see Frederic and Kane in the lineup, these last couple of months have really dragged lol.

One of McDavid or Ekholm needs to go on LTIR for the cap to work

 

[Arpeggio]

One of McDavid or Ekholm needs to go on LTIR for the cap to work

It seems to me that the writing is on the wall for Ekholm to go on LTIR and Kane to get some games in. But we'll see.

 

[MessierII]

It seems to me that the writing is on the wall for Ekholm to go on LTIR and Kane to get some games in. But we'll see.

That would make sense. Shut him down and get him as close to 100% as we can.

 

[McFlyingV]

Having Ekholm as healthy as you can get him, and getting Frederic and Kane a few games is probably what makes the most sense. Ekholm isn't going to be rusty if he sits out the rest of the season, but you might see some chemistry issues with Frederic not getting a few regular season games, and a bit of rust in Kane. Luckily both players are kind of straight line players and imo there's less rust for those guys to knock off. They both play very simple games.

 

[McFlyingV]

Interesting that 7 days after saying "I have zero doubt in my mind that Frederic could play today if the playoffs began today" Frederic might make his Oilers debut. But of course I couldn't possibly have any clue about anything to do with his injury (even though multiple reports were a high ankle sprain), the organization has been lying about his injury timeline, and the typical doomsday discussion from our internet doctors is "normal discussion".

Couldn't have possibly been that they value having him completely healthy, symptom free, and wanted to give him the best chance to make it through a long playoff grind instead of rushing him back for mostly meaningless regular season games. Gotta love this place sometimes.

Alright, I'll let you guys get back to complaining about this trade.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

I think Ekholm would probably qualify for LTIR - the minimum is 10 games and 24 games and he last played on March 26, so the GP requirement is met and the # of days requirement will probably be met too.

If Kane wants to return, they can retroactively LTIR Ekholm and bring him back. The alternative is to let Kane play a few games in the AHL.

 

[McFlyingV]

I think Ekholm would probably qualify for LTIR - the minimum is 10 games and 24 games and he last played on March 26, so the GP requirement is met and the # of days requirement will probably be met too.

If Kane wants to return, they can retroactively LTIR Ekholm and bring him back. The alternative is to let Kane play a few games in the AHL.

Both seem like good options. Especially if Kane's ready to go and if Ekholm's injury is something that a few more weeks off will serve him well in playoffs. The D group has played just fine without him, and his health is very important to a playoff run.

The Walman addition has really taken a lot of strain off this d group, and could have a major long-term impact when Ekholm starts to decline.

 

[tiger_80]

Oilers with the 4D chess move of trading for players not even healthy, and not even able to go. Meanwhile we forcefeed Jones into the NHL despite him being not ready and outside of first game being nothing, and Frederic still can't play. We needed help physically, Jones did that in first game but clear dropoff. Nobody but Perry even fights on the team now. Guys like Pods forgot why they are even here.

Henrique+Frederic. They need some other -ric to comlete the line.

 

[JordanGalhanth]

Henrique+Frederic. They need some other -ric to comlete the line.

Fistric?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Fistric?

The Poor Man's Eric Gryba?

 

[JordanGalhanth]

The Poor Man's Eric Gryba?

Or something like that? I thought he was supposed to be a physical, nasty, hitting menace, but we only got 25ish games out of him.

 

[Mr Positive]

I think Ekholm would probably qualify for LTIR - the minimum is 10 games and 24 games and he last played on March 26, so the GP requirement is met and the # of days requirement will probably be met too.

If Kane wants to return, they can retroactively LTIR Ekholm and bring him back. The alternative is to let Kane play a few games in the AHL.

I'd prefer he play in the NHL to get up to speed. I'd also like Ekholm to be shut down until the playoffs

 

[Fourier]

I think Ekholm would probably qualify for LTIR - the minimum is 10 games and 24 games and he last played on March 26, so the GP requirement is met and the # of days requirement will probably be met too.

If Kane wants to return, they can retroactively LTIR Ekholm and bring him back. The alternative is to let Kane play a few games in the AHL.

TO be honest I am not 100% sure how the "Days Missed" would be interpreted here given that the regular season ends on April 17th and 24 days would be April 19th. The CBA specifically mentions 10 regular season games which Ekholm would indeed miss. But then it say "and 24 days". What is not clear is if this also means days within the regular season. If it does then LTIR for Ekholm would not be possible. If it does not have to be in the regular season then LTIR would be possible but risky. I say risky because the NHL will almost surely want to start the playoffs on Saturday April 19th and Ekholm might not be eligible to play if that day was his 24th since his injury. In this case, I seriously doubt the Oilers would take a chance on not having him for Game 1 just to get Kane a couple of games in.

 

[Fishy McScales]

The Poor Man's Eric Gryba?

And the rich man's Josh Brown.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

TO be honest I am not 100% sure how the "Days Missed" would be interpreted here given that the regular season ends on April 17th and 24 days would be April 19th. The CBA specifically mentions 10 regular season games which Ekholm would indeed miss. But then it say "and 24 days". What is not clear is if this also means days within the regular season. If it does then LTIR for Ekholm would not be possible. If it does not have to be in the regular season then LTIR would be possible but risky. I say risky because the NHL will almost surely want to start the playoffs on Saturday April 19th and Ekholm might not be eligible to play if that day was his 24th since his injury. In this case, I seriously doubt the Oilers would take a chance on not having him for Game 1 just to get Kane a couple of games in.

Yeah you're right. Per PuckPedia, it's defined as days "in the regular season" - so I'm not sure it would work.

I checked the wording in the CBA and it mentions calendar days, but maybe there's an exception as the season comes to a close and further clarification is provided elsewhere.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Yeah you're right. Per PuckPedia, it's defined as days "in the regular season" - so I'm not sure it would work.

I checked the wording in the CBA and it mentions calendar days, but maybe there's an exception as the season comes to a close and further clarification is provided elsewhere.

If the team qualifies for a playoff spot, you would think the players remain rostered until playoffs start, therefore the 24 day threshold would be met.

 

[PaPaDee]

Does Frederic PK?

 

[Fourier]

Yeah you're right. Per PuckPedia, it's defined as days "in the regular season" - so I'm not sure it would work.

I checked the wording in the CBA and it mentions calendar days, but maybe there's an exception as the season comes to a close and further clarification is provided elsewhere.

Let's see if @mouser can clear this up.

 

[MessierII]

Does Frederic PK?

Not a ton. In Boston he would come out at the end of the Pk for the last 10-15 seconds sometimes but that’s it.