Player Discussion Trent Frederic III

[JAD]

If they can not sign Frederic, they can not let him walk for nothing.
Try trading him to St. Louis for their 1st and Bolduc. (not saying this is the best option, just an option)
Need to get something back for him.
But part of me hopes they sign him to a fair deal for player and team.

 

[ODAAT]

If they can not sign Frederic, they can not let him walk for nothing.
Try trading him to St. Louis for their 1st and Bolduc. (not saying this is the best option, just an option)
Need to get something back for him.
But part of me hopes they sign him to a fair deal for player and team.

I don`t even bother trying to sign him, seen enough, there will be better out there, the concern I have is Don and Cam identifying the right piece that is out there

 

[goldenblack]

Yeah either of Geekie or Freddy walking for nothing is a disaster. No issue taking steps there.

 

[Over the volcano]

Yeah either of Geekie or Freddy walking for nothing is a disaster. No issue taking steps there.

Geekie is an RFA

 

[Hookslide]

Putting him with different linemates constantly trying to find some guys he can get chemistry with and get going, yeah, they've tried. Maybe you don't agree that they've done enough toward that end? Then again, the problem may just lie with Freddy this season. He can't seem to play well for more than a game or two with whoever they put him with. At some point, the player has to be the issue.

I also know that we are unlikely to ever agree on the subject of Trent Frederic

he shows like he did last night consistently, than I might buy into Volcanos take, but until he does I will agree with you make no difference what line he is on, and this coming from a guy that has always liked Freddy.

 

[LouJersey]

Guessing the market is just not there for him?

 

[Dr Hook]

Guessing the market is just not there for him?

My belief is it is one of two things: 1) Sweeney is never in a rush to do anything it seems like, and if he doesn't have to make a decision on Frederic just yet, he won't. It's the innate conservatism of the man as a hockey exec. 2) The Bruins still believe in him because he is allegedly that unicorn power forward who can skate, hit, score, and fight, and they are willing to give him time to get it together as well as find a good contract landing spot.

 

[hrdpuk]

His contract is workable

 

[DiggityDog]

My belief is it is one of two things: 1) Sweeney is never in a rush to do anything it seems like, and if he doesn't have to make a decision on Frederic just yet, he won't. It's the innate conservatism of the man as a hockey exec. 2) The Bruins still believe in him because he is allegedly that unicorn power forward who can skate, hit, score, and fight, and they are willing to give him time to get it together as well as find a good contract landing spot.

If we are signing last year’s version of Frederic then I am all for it. This years not as much. I just don’t know which season was the exception.

The only thing in 100% certain of is they cannot lose him for nothing. Whether that be way of extension or pieces coming back remains to be seen. There is still time

 

[NDiesel]

Guessing the market is just not there for him?

Sweeney too busy with 4 nations

If we are signing last year’s version of Frederic then I am all for it. This years not as much. I just don’t know which season was the exception.

The only thing in 100% certain of is they cannot lose him for nothing. Whether that be way of extension or pieces coming back remains to be seen. There is still time

The fact that the whole team sucks this year probably makes it the outlier.

 

[RoccoF14]

If we are signing last year’s version of Frederic then I am all for it. This years not as much. I just don’t know which season was the exception.

Last year's version of Trent Frederic signed with Carolina this past summer for 1yr/$2.8mil.

His name is Jack Roslovic.....or Danton Heinen

As for trade value, he's probably worth a 3rd Rd pick.

 

[Dr Hook]

Last year's version of Trent Frederic signed with Carolina this past summer for 1yr/$2.8mil.

His name is Jack Roslovic.....or Danton Heinen

As for trade value, he's probably worth a 3rd Rd pick.

Production-wise, yes. But there is the whole mythos around Trent as a power forward that will hit and fight which Roslovic and Heinen don't do. That drives the value up considerably and may be the reason the Bruins are not ready to move on from him.

 

[RoccoF14]

Production-wise, yes. But there is the whole mythos around Trent as a power forward that will hit and fight which Roslovic and Heinen don't do. That drives the value up considerably and may be the reason the Bruins are not ready to move on from him.

I'd argue that mythos is strictly confined to Bruins fans who continue to want him to be something he's not, and then get frustrated with him when he isn't. Sure he'll drop them from time to time, but he's not a game changer, and its not worth a premium in salary.

 

[Over the volcano]

Production-wise, yes. But there is the whole mythos around Trent as a power forward that will hit and fight which Roslovic and Heinen don't do. That drives the value up considerably and may be the reason the Bruins are not ready to move on from him.

Facts are now myths ( I thought politics weren't allowed)? Frederic is second on the team in hits and fought 4 times this season. How does that create a "mythos" that he's a forward who hits and fights?

 

[RoccoF14]

Facts are now myths ( I thought politics weren't allowed)? Frederic is second on the team in hits and fought 4 times this season. How does that create a "mythos" that he's a forward who hits and fights?

Its not an issue of whether or not, or how much he fights and hits. We're all Bs fans and we know that.

Its an issue of how much of an impact he has on this team's success and what his worth is in either trade value or a contract extension.

My opinion is that he's worth $3mil/yr and probably a 3rd Rd pick on the trade market. Maybe a 2nd, if I'm in a generous mood. If you disagree, fine. Then throw some numbers out there....What are you willing to pay to keep him? What would you want in return to trade him?

 

[Sheppy]

I thought he played a good game last night. Lets see if he can keep it going.

Ideally he doesn't go dry for another 2-3 weeks.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I'd argue that mythos is strictly confined to Bruins fans who continue to want him to be something he's not, and then get frustrated with him when he isn't. Sure he'll drop them from time to time, but he's not a game changer, and its not worth a premium in salary.

Game changers get a lot more money than what Freddy will get.

 

[Dr Hook]

Facts are now myths ( I thought politics weren't allowed)? Frederic is second on the team in hits and fought 4 times this season. How does that create a "mythos" that he's a forward who hits and fights?

Yes, it's a narrative, which is what a mythos is. He does hit and fight, but the mythos is that of a 'power forward' that does things AND also scores goals and puts up points. That's the unicorn that most teams want (Including the Bruins) and rarely get. I do understand why you'd leave the goals and points part out, though, because he isn't doing that this season. So, his value is that of a 4th line grinder/enforcer who hits and fights and chips in 20 points a season? Great, I'm on board with that so long as he paid appropriately for the role (which we know he won't be).

Its not an issue of whether or not, or how much he fights and hits. We're all Bs fans and we know that.

Its an issue of how much of an impact he has on this team's success and what his worth is in either trade value or a contract extension.

My opinion is that he's worth $3mil/yr and probably a 3rd Rd pick on the trade market. Maybe a 2nd, if I'm in a generous mood. If you disagree, fine. Then throw some numbers out there....What are you willing to pay to keep him? What would you want in return to trade him?

I would say that is a belief shared more widely around the league, though. Non-Bruins broadcasters mention it frequently, and I have heard over the years that teams covet the guy because they believe he is that. I guess if the Bruins do move on from him, we'll see what his value around the league is.

 

[LouJersey]

Sweeney too busy with 4 nations


The fact that the whole team sucks this year probably makes it the outlier.

was hoping that was all set, but again this is the same guy who couldn't be named GM and then prep for the draft five weeks later.

I thought he played a good game last night. Lets see if he can keep it going.

Ideally he doesn't go dry for another 2-3 weeks.

He Poitras and Coyle could develop into one of the better third lines in the league IMO