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Player Discussion Trent Frederic III

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4ORRBRUIN said:
Freddy is great trade bait. He is most likely the player on the Bruins roster teams will over pay for.

Freddy is the player contenders will want at the deadline. Still think DS will try hard to resign him.
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I agree. I think the question is "does Freddy provide more value to this team as a re-signed player or as trade chip"?

To me, based on the assumption that there is a gap in value perception between B's and Freddy AND it seems that other teams in the League value what he brings, I'd say the answer to that is trade.

Nothing against him, but unless he's going to bring the intensity most nights (a la Kastelic) what he brings now is not enough to offset what it seems we might be able to get for him. And IMO we should use whatever that is for the retool, rebuild, excavation, demolition, makeover, relaunch, or whatever the f*** it is we are calling whatever needs to be happening but right now is not.
 
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The most frustrating part about him is that we still don't seem to know what he is.

Maybe more accurately, he still hasn't become what we hoped he would, because he's wildly inconsistent in every aspect of the game, but he shows flashes of being really good in each of them.

Inconsistent scorer
Inconsistent physically
Inconsistent effort

I think I'm just tired of his whole "act" for lack of a better word and I think I'd rather him be traded than re-signed, to be honest.
 
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Number8 said:
I agree. I think the question is "does Freddy provide more value to this team as a re-signed player or as trade chip"?

To me, based on the assumption that there is a gap in value perception between B's and Freddy AND it seems that other teams in the League value what he brings, I'd say the answer to that is trade.

Nothing against him, but unless he's going to bring the intensity most nights (a la Kastelic) what he brings now is not enough to offset what it seems we might be able to get for him. And IMO we should use whatever that is for the retool, rebuild, excavation, demolition, makeover, relaunch, or whatever the f*** it is we are calling whatever needs to be happening but right now is not.
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He will most likely bring more in trade because he does not bring much here.
 
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Sheppy said:
My issue is the fact that $4-4.5M is a lot of money to get production 1/10 games.
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Honest question- would the Bruins have been any worse off if, say, Patrick Brown had been in Freddy's spot all season? $4m is a hard pass from me when you can get what he's giving for less than half of that and no long-term commitment.
 
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The frustrating thing for me with Freddy is that he has the tools to be a solid middle-6 winger. He has the ability to be a bigger physical presence and shit disturber, while giving you 20+ goals & 40+ points. Honestly I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him end up in FLA with his buddy Tkachuk. He'll go down there and become the exact player that many of us hoped he'd be.
 
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ON3M4N said:
The frustrating thing for me with Freddy is that he has the tools to be a solid middle-6 winger. He has the ability to be a bigger physical presence and shit disturber, while giving you 20+ goals & 40+ points. Honestly I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him end up in FLA with his buddy Tkachuk. He'll go down there and become the exact player that many of us hoped he'd be.
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Freddy hasn't had a 20-goal season. Had one season with (exactly) 40 points.

His points per 82 NHL games is 13 goals, 13 assists. Only 25 giveaways per 82, but that's not because he protects the puck well, but rather because he rarely has the puck. And, his current season is his worst yet.

A very different player from DeBrusk, but similar in terms of not meeting expectations. Both have been a problem for the B's.
 
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Dennis Bonvie said:
Freddy hasn't had a 20-goal season. Had one season with (exactly) 40 points.

His points per 82 NHL games is 13 goals, 13 assists. Only 25 giveaways per 82, but that's not because he protects the puck well, but rather because he rarely has the puck. And, his current season is his worst yet.

A very different player from DeBrusk, but similar in terms of not meeting expectations. Both have been a problem for the B's.
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I didn't call him a 20 goal scorer did I? No, I said he has the ability to do it. Seeing has he's been 2-3 goals off from 20 goals the last two season would support that he has the ability to do it. DeBrusk has the ability to be a 30G guy even though he's never done it. He's popped 27 goals twice and on pace for 28 goals this year.
 
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I didn't call him a 20 goal scorer did I? No, I said he has the ability to do it. Seeing has he's been 2-3 goals off from 20 goals the last two season would support that he has the ability to do it. DeBrusk has the ability to be a 30G guy even though he's never done it. He's popped 27 goals twice and on pace for 28 goals this year.
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You can look at it that way.

Both underachievers.
 
BruinDust said:
Like do you pay him based on his production the previous two years? How much does his drop in production and inconsistency this year hurt his number.

In his defense he started looking better the longer he played center, but this team treats the center-ice position like a game of musical chairs and since Poitras recall he's been back on LW. I think a lot of his game is predicated on keeping his feet moving, when he does he's an effective player, and he moves his feet more in the middle.

That being said, I also think he might be more productive on his off-wing. He played a lot of off-wing in his two productive seasons. I've noticed that when he carries the puck up the right-side, he builds up speed using cross-overs better and looks faster and more confident coming through the neutral zone into the offensive zone. Leans in and drives the puck to the net better. I wouldn't be oppose to seeing him on the RW opposite Marchand and alongside Lindholm to see if there if a move to his off-wing would help boost his production.

Perplexing player.
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The problem is he's consistently inconsistent. You never know what you're getting from him in a 30 game stretch, but you make a solid point about LW vs RW/C. I thought he got his shot off a lot better on RW too, and like you said he was actually looking good and producing as a center. I don't know his faceoff numbers though, perhaps why they moved him to the wing.

I just have troubles signing him for 4 mil +. That money could be spent wiser IMO.
 
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NDiesel said:
The problem is he's consistently inconsistent. You never know what you're getting from him in a 30 game stretch, but you make a solid point about LW vs RW/C. I thought he got his shot off a lot better on RW too, and like you said he was actually looking good and producing as a center. I don't know his faceoff numbers though, perhaps why they moved him to the wing.

I just have troubles signing him for 4 mil +. That money could be spent wiser IMO.
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Freddy has taken 201 faceoffs & won 88 of them.That is 43.8% .
 
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Sheppy said:
Rightfully so.
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You don't think people have a legit gripe? 14 of his points came in a 12 game span. Nothing in the other 40 games. I know you're a big fan of him, but he's been shit for 80% of the season.

There will be a game or two where it's like "Oh, there's Trent Frederic!" then 10 games of wondering if he's playing or not.
 
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