Player Discussion Trent Frederic II

[Gee Wally]

You will be disappointed if you think he would sign that deal. He will get 3.5-4M x3 on the open market, maybe even more.

Big, hits, fights, scores 15-20 goals even though he gets no PP time. He's trending up and is only 26yo.

He's the modern day power forward.

Ok kill me now lol


That's in the range if he stays but I don't think he does. He will make more elsewhere

Most likely. But Id move him first if / when he says no. Get something.

 

[DominicT]

Maybe, just maybe, the TD Garden employees get a large enough raise that TF would go work there and maybe sell an extra beer to @DKH

 

[PB37]

Fair enough.

Since it's kind of the topic du jour, what were your thoughts on his "fight" with Guftasson the other night?

I didn't mind the couple of extra punches - that kind of happens when someone else is falling down and I thought he let up with the final one that could have done real damage to the kid.

I'd rather see him go after someone else more in his class but even the top fighters fight guys with lesser fight cards out of anger and that could have been what happened the other night. Smaller guy got into a stick war with him in a blowout loss and he got pissed. I want to see this type of physical intensity from Frederic more, not less, and against the guys he should be fighting and not just the Gustafssons/Pederson's of the NHL.

 

[BruinDust]

Big, hits, fights, scores 15-20 goals even though he gets no PP time. He's trending up and is only 26yo.

He's the modern day power forward.

Only 26 years old. See this is what I mean. You say that like he still has room to grow like he's still a prospect, meanwhile he's a UFA in 6 months. Trending up? You can't be serious.

Calling him a modern day power forward is an insult to all power forwards that have come before him. Talk about setting the bar low. Back in the day, you needed to be a guy who scored consistently (i.e. Top 6 forward), hit and fought to be labelled a Power Forward. Guys like Frederic, we called them grinders or muckers. You could also call them JAGs because really that is what he is.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I didn't mind the couple of extra punches - that kind of happens when someone else is falling down and I thought he let up with the final one that could have done real damage to the kid.

I'd rather see him go after someone else more in his class but even the top fighters fight guys with lesser fight cards out of anger and that could have been what happened the other night. Smaller guy got into a stick war with him in a blowout loss and he got pissed. I want to see this type of physical intensity from Frederic more, not less, and against the guys he should be fighting and not just the Gustafssons/Pederson's of the NHL.

When’s the last time this happened with him? And you can’t say Larsson because he had to answer for going after Poitras and he’s no shrinking violet.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Only 26 years old. See this is what I mean. You say that like he still has room to grow like he's still a prospect, meanwhile he's a UFA in 6 months. Trending up? You can't be serious.

Calling him a modern day power forward is an insult to all power forwards that have come before him. Talk about setting the bar low. Back in the day, you needed to be a guy who scored consistently (i.e. Top 6 forward), hit and fought to be labelled a Power Forward. Guys like Frederic, we called them grinders or muckers. You could also call them JAGs because really that is what he is.

He's been getting better the last two years, I feel it will be what he is.
Nothing wrong with that.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

I didn't mind the couple of extra punches - that kind of happens when someone else is falling down and I thought he let up with the final one that could have done real damage to the kid.

I'd rather see him go after someone else more in his class but even the top fighters fight guys with lesser fight cards out of anger and that could have been what happened the other night. Smaller guy got into a stick war with him in a blowout loss and he got pissed. I want to see this type of physical intensity from Frederic more, not less, and against the guys he should be fighting and not just the Gustafssons/Pederson's of the NHL.

If we found out that he didn't go with Gustafsson after he ask to go the board would still chastising the kid for chickening out and not giving a shit in a blowout.

 

[DKH]

Maybe, just maybe, the TD Garden employees get a large enough raise that TF would go work there and maybe sell an extra beer to @DKH

Got a routine:

Before game
Sausage, pepper, onions at Garden grille ~ fantastic

Second intermission
Gelato - cookies & cream
(Once I learned gelato is basically health food compared to ice cream I’m all in)

However, if I’m with my buds or kid I end up drinking a 24 or 23 oz beer in the Kiosk (once I figured it out) so apparently some person in India is watching me which begs the question- if I was a very magician could I get away with say $5 Cheezits or M&Ms

 

[PlayMakers]

If we found out that he didn't go with Gustafsson after he ask to go the board would still chastising the kid for chickening out and not giving a shit in a blowout.

Yeah, I was just going to post this. Imagine the outrage if Frederic refused to fight Gustafson in a blowout.

 

[goldenblack]

Nah, you’re splitting hairs trying to find an excuse.

So let’s cut to the chase. Has Freddy looked good to you this season? Has he played up to or above expectations?

Regardless of whether you’re talking games or toi, all I need is a yes or no from you.

By asking me this, all you're doing is putting aside the sample size argument you've chosen.

Pick a goal post, and stop moving it.

As to your take on him, I said what you're saying, but pages ago. Pay him as a bottom 6. Not a top 6.

 

[CDJ]

Yeah, I was just going to post this. Imagine the outrage if Frederic refused to fight Gustafson in a blowout.

Yup

Can’t count the number of times I’ve seen ppl frustrated with Frederic for not being aggressive enough and forcing a fight. Some dummy way out of his depth decides to engage with him in a blowout and gets one-punched in a fair fight where both guys agreed and knew what was up. And Frederic is somehow the bad guy.

if he had skated away those same people would be screaming in here. If this makes Frederic a bully good, I want bullies. I don’t care about “the code”.

More concerned with the giving up 8 goals last game

 

[jgatie]

People, I know this has been posted, but it needs to be posted with a link. According to The Athletic, Gustafsson asked to go, not Frederic.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5988314/2024/12/12/bruins-jets-trent-frederic-david-gustafsson-fight/

Now exactly what would be said about Frederic in here if he refused to go with a non-fighter who challenged him? Be honest, please.

 

[JCRO]

Yup

Can’t count the number of times I’ve seen ppl frustrated with Frederic for not being aggressive enough and forcing a fight. Some dummy way out of his depth decides to engage with him in a blowout and gets one-punched in a fair fight where both guys agreed and knew what was up. And Frederic is somehow the bad guy.

if he had skated away those same people would be screaming in here. If this makes Frederic a bully good, I want bullies. I don’t care about “the code”.

More concerned with the giving up 8 goals last game

FWIW, the people online outside of Boston trying to paint Freddy as some goon or fighter- That was his second fight this season. He had 7 on the season last year. More than most but I wouldn't call him a fighter or goon.. And yes, 100 percent I would have been pissed if he didnt square up with Gustafsson. Especially where it seems hes the one who asked. Didnt look like Freddy forced his hand.

The difference between a Monty team getting shelled and a Sacco team getting shelled is at least the guys punched a few faces in and looked like they gave a damn.. Yes they still lost. By a lot.
But to me this is a big difference.

 

[CDJ]

FWIW, the people online outside of Boston trying to paint Freddy as some goon or fighter- That was his second fight this season. He had 7 on this season last year. More than most but I wouldn't call him a fighter or goon.. And yes, 100 percent I would have been pissed if he didnt square up with Gustafsson. Especially where it seems hes the one who asked. Didnt look like Freddy forced his hand.

The difference between a Monty team getting shelled and a Sacco team getting shelled is at least the guys punched a few faces in and looked like they gave a damn.. Yes they still lost. By a lot.
But to me this is a big difference.

I also see this idea that he doesn’t fight for his teammates….

Well he did this exact same thing to a guy that ran Bergeron. Sent him to the quiet room. That’s kind of unforgettable, not like I have to rack my brain to find an example of him sticking up for ours

 

[NDiesel]

I'm not sure this is allowed, but I want to steer this in a different direction:

What is the most you extend him for?

I think I'd cut it off at 3.5 max depending on how the rest of this season goes.

Term wise I could see an argument for signing him for 5 years at lower money, kinda like Miles Woods' last contract, but I'm weary though given his lack of engagement and consistency some nights you might not want to commit too long to him.

I think you can get someone to overpay a bit on him, like Tampa did for Jeannot, and I'd explore that route first.

 

[BruinDust]

Yeah, I was just going to post this. Imagine the outrage if Frederic refused to fight Gustafson in a blowout.

He started the confrontation. Why is that fact completely ignored?

The issue here is he started that crap in a blow-out game to begin with. He knew exactly what he was doing and who he was doing it to. Good on Gustafsson for not putting up with it and telling Trent "F&^% you". But that outcome or challenge from Gustafsson is exactly what Frederic was going for, make no mistake about it. He cross checks him once, then cross-checks him again, Frederic knew what the next step would be. The vast majority of NHL players aren't going to just skate away, he's knows that.

Forget the code for a minute. If Brad Marchand stepped up to Matt Rempe, and challenged him to a fight and Rempe caved his face in, fair enough if Marchand was the one who started it. Careful what you ask for.

This was a case of a player on a team getting it's ass handed to them on the scoreboard, and decided to throw a tantrum and instigate an altercation with a guy with zero fights on his resume. It's no different than some school-yard bully who goes up to a smaller kid and pokes him in the chest egging him on to do something about it. And when the little kid does, the bully beats the shit out of him.

Trent Frederic is a punk.

 

[Sheppy]

If Adam Lowry comes calling the next time they play the Jets, Frederic should do the right thing and oblige him.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

And their weights?

O'Brien is listed at 213. 7 pounds less than Freddy. Jeannot is 208. Anderson is 218. Andreas Englund is 189. Trouba is 212. Goodrow is 202. Lemiux is 215, Mike Folingo is 195. Lane Pedersen is 192. Literally all the guys you mentioned as "big heavyweights" are dudes that weigh less than Freddy. And most of them by quite a lot.

While you like to make these claims, your assertations are certainly not backed up by the data.

He's a spot picker that typically goes after far smaller dudes. If he were on another team, you'd all universally loathe him for this type of bush league bullshit,

This post, following your previous stream of thought on the subject is incorrect and , frankly, ridiculous. In your tirades against Frederic, you've lost any objectivity and, frankly, any credibility on the subject.

You list Frederic's opponent "Mike Foligno" at 195pds. This is one of the only legit weights that you list here and is exactly 195 --but I'm surprised that you didn't mock Frederic for fighting a 65 year old man who retired well before Frederic evrn played! What a ****** Frederic is for fighting such an older man, right!!!??!!


Marcus Foligno (Frederic's actual opponent) is 228pds and outweighs Freddy, as do others he's fought (like Anderson, Bahl, Zadorov etc)


Listing Lane Pederson (192) as a complaint means you've lost the plot. Pedersen was a CBJ AHL call-up who tried to make a name for himself by cheap-shotting the Bruins Captain, Saint. Bergeron. Anyone who complains about Frederic going after him has completely lost the plot.

That means you. You have completely lost the plot.

 

[NDiesel]

Only 26 years old. See this is what I mean. You say that like he still has room to grow like he's still a prospect, meanwhile he's a UFA in 6 months. Trending up? You can't be serious.

Calling him a modern day power forward is an insult to all power forwards that have come before him. Talk about setting the bar low. Back in the day, you needed to be a guy who scored consistently (i.e. Top 6 forward), hit and fought to be labelled a Power Forward. Guys like Frederic, we called them grinders or muckers. You could also call them JAGs because really that is what he is.

Sorry to burst your bubble but that is the modern power forward these days.

There are 7 guys, including Freddy who had 30+ points and 200+ hits last year. Freddy is 5th in points in that list and only Tkachuk and Miller topped 45 points.

If we change criteria to 150 hits there are 24 total players to do it last year, with only 10 who topped 45 points.

There aren't many guys who hit, fight and are top 6 players producing points anymore, Freddy as much as he's hated is a rare breed these days.

 

[Over the volcano]

I also see this idea that he doesn’t fight for his teammates….

Well he did this exact same thing to a guy that ran Bergeron. Sent him to the quiet room. That’s kind of unforgettable, not like I have to rack my brain to find an example of him sticking up for ours

Or just this year

 

[BruinDust]

Sorry to burst your bubble but that is the modern power forward these days.

There are 7 guys, including Freddy who had 30+ points and 200+ hits last year. Freddy is 5th in points in that list and only Tkachuk and Miller topped 45 points.

If we change criteria to 150 hits there are 24 total players to do it last year, with only 10 who topped 45 points.

There aren't many guys who hit, fight and are top 6 players producing points anymore, Freddy as much as he's hated is a rare breed these days.

Why is the cut-off 200 hits? And name one that Frederic threw that was memorable or changed the game in any shape or form.

Do I agree there are less of these types of players than in previous eras? Yes, no question about it.

That's the issue in a nutshell isn't it. People see his hit totals, and fight totals, and he's put up a few points in the past two years before this one, and believe he's an impactful player and he isn't. It's just a myth. A load of crap.

You know what else power forwards do? The use their size and strength to take the puck to the net. The lean on guys while carrying the puck and still make plays. Name the last time Trent Frederic actually used his size and strength to do something impactful offensively with it. Plays his off-wing often and never drives down the right side and drops his shoulder and powers the puck into the low slot.

He's not the modern day power forward, he's the phony power forward.

 

[quietbruinfan]

I think TF has the offensive IQ of a potato and does throw tantrums. Just so you know.

 

[NDiesel]

Why is the cut-off 200 hits? And name one that Frederic threw that was memorable or changed the game in any shape or form.

Do I agree there are less of these types of players than in previous eras? Yes, no question about it.

That's the issue in a nutshell isn't it. People see his hit totals, and fight totals, and he's put up a few points in the past two years before this one, and believe he's an impactful player and he isn't. It's just a myth. A load of crap.

You know what else power forwards do? The use their size and strength to take the puck to the net. The lean on guys while carrying the puck and still make plays. Name the last time Trent Frederic actually used his size and strength to do something impactful offensively with it. Plays his off-wing often and never drives down the right side and drops his shoulder and powers the puck into the low slot.

He's not the modern day power forward, he's the phony power forward.

I mean come on man, we have to define a power forward somehow, and I don't think a subjective stat such as "throwing a hit that that was memorable or changes the game" is the way a power forward should be defined. You mentioned fights, hits and gets points so I set a criteria using that

Pick whatever number of hits you want, I can only go off of stats to try and define a power forward point because I don't watch every single game to know if Dakota Joshua or Barbashev has thrown enough game changing hits to fit the mold.

What I do know is very few players in the league throw the volume of hits he does and pop 30+ points. What i do know is a lot of the players using that criteria above are exactly the type of guys you'd consider a power forward such as E. Kane, Wilson, Miller and Tkachuk, and Freddy falls into that list of guys.

 

[PlayMakers]

He started the confrontation. Why is that fact completely ignored?

The issue here is...

There is no issue, with any of the fights, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[LSCII]

This post, following your previous stream of thought on the subject is incorrect and , frankly, ridiculous. In your tirades against Frederic, you've lost any objectivity and, frankly, any credibility on the subject.

You list Frederic's opponent "Mike Foligno" at 195pds. This is one of the only legit weights that you list here and is exactly 195 --but I'm surprised that you didn't mock Frederic for fighting a 65 year old man who retired well before Frederic evrn played! What a ****** Frederic is for fighting such an older man, right!!!??!!


Marcus Foligno (Frederic's actual opponent) is 228pds and outweighs Freddy, as do others he's fought (like Anderson, Bahl, Zadorov etc)


Listing Lane Pederson (192) as a complaint means you've lost the plot. Pedersen was a CBJ AHL call-up who tried to make a name for himself by cheap-shotting the Bruins Captain, Saint. Bergeron. Anyone who complains about Frederic going after him has completely lost the plot.

That means you. You have completely lost the plot.

Another one arguing irrelevant weight totals and ignoring the spot picking bullshit on display by Freddy in that game.

Let's just cut to the chase. What was your view on Freddy fighting instigating a fight against a dude with zero NHL fights? Was that cool or was that weak?