Proposal: Treliving Rolls The Dice At The Krebs Table In Vegas: L.V. + CGY

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

I hate the flames more than any other team but this is just absolute garbage almost as bad as the Horvat+ Hughes for Doughty abomination you came up with.
JG is worth at least a 1st and a blue-chip prospect and Sean is worth a 1st.
You propose an unproven kid with maybe 2nd line potential who by the way is from Winnipeg not Calgary and a pp specialist who sucked balls last year?
Mods should introduce a system in which penalties ranging from loss of like buttons to bans to finally a virus sent to the member so that everytime he tries to log on their is a 50% chance your phone locks and you gay porn is played on max volume for a set period of time

Whoa. This took a left turn at the end there.

 

[Perennial]

Considering the ages and contracts of the players involved in the proposal, I view Krebs as the most valuable asset being moved...

Someone used the Pacioretty trade as a comparable... do you think Vegas would make that trade again, or would they rather have a 22 year old Suzuki still on his ELC?

It's a calculated gamble for the Flames... if it pays off, they'll have a top 6 C for the next decade who also happens to be from the area... considering it's been rumoured their 2 most successful draft selections from the last decade - Tkachuk and Gaudreau - would prefer to play elsewhere, adding a young talent with ties to the community seems like a worthwhile gamble

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Wow is this bad for Calgary.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Considering the ages and contracts of the players involved in the proposal, I view Krebs as the most valuable asset being moved...

Someone used the Pacioretty trade as a comparable... do you think Vegas would make that trade again, or would they rather have a 22 year old Suzuki still on his ELC?

It's a calculated gamble for the Flames... if it pays off, they'll have a top 6 C for the next decade who also happens to be from the area... considering it's been rumoured their 2 most successful draft selections from the last decade - Tkachuk and Gaudreau - would prefer to play elsewhere, adding a young talent with ties to the community seems like a worthwhile gamble

Gamble? That's quite the understatement. They're trading away two top-6 players (one being a legit first line talent) for ONE magic bean that may or may not develop into a middle-6 player. Krebs isn't a surefire top-6 talent...

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Considering the ages and contracts of the players involved in the proposal, I view Krebs as the most valuable asset being moved...

Someone used the Pacioretty trade as a comparable... do you think Vegas would make that trade again, or would they rather have a 22 year old Suzuki still on his ELC?

It's a calculated gamble for the Flames... if it pays off, they'll have a top 6 C for the next decade who also happens to be from the area... considering it's been rumoured their 2 most successful draft selections from the last decade - Tkachuk and Gaudreau - would prefer to play elsewhere, adding a young talent with ties to the community seems like a worthwhile gamble

The only calculation happening in this gamble is whether you can do salary cap shenanigans to fit it under the upper limit.

This is Calgary tossing out two players who have a lot of value still and HOPING TO GOD that Peyton Krebs is a 1C in the making. The value is just off. A gamble for Krebs makes sense. Giving away two assets that could land you a couple firsts and a couple other nice prospects to do so is lunacy.

 

[The Duck Knight]

Regardless of the value of the assets Vegas couldn't and wouldn't do this because of the cap. The trades for Stone and Pacioretty were made because they were signing them to extensions. They don't have room for a Gaudreau extension. Plus they need Krebs to give them cheap production in the top 9 in the near future.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Considering the ages and contracts of the players involved in the proposal, I view Krebs as the most valuable asset being moved...

You think Peyton Krebs, a 20 year old mid first rounder with 1 career NHL point, is more valuable than Gaudreau or Monahan? Two players in their primes that together will surpass 1000 career points this year?

Gotta give that the yikes

 

[Perennial]

Gamble? That's quite the understatement. They're trading away two top-6 players (one being a legit first line talent) for ONE magic bean that may or may not develop into a middle-6 player. Krebs isn't a surefire top-6 talent...

Unless you think a team is going to trade away a 20 year old "surefire top-6 talent" for Gaudreau, Calgary is going to have to gamble on someone...

Sometimes the gamble pays off, sometimes it doesn't... that's just how she goes

But unless the Flames are okay having Gaudreau leave next summer in free-agency... it's a gamble they have to take

 

[Perennial]

You think Peyton Krebs, a 20 year old mid first rounder with 1 career NHL point, is more valuable than Gaudreau or Monahan? Two players in their primes that together will surpass 1000 career points this year?

Gotta give that the yikes

Yes, considering their age and contracts...

And the fact that he was a "mid first rounder" is irrelevant to his current value as a prospect, or his potential impact at the NHL level...

Krebs was taken 17th

Some of the players selected 17th or later:

Kucherov 58
Hertl 17, Teurovainen 18, Vasilevsky 19, Slavin 120
Shea Theodore 26
Pastrnak 25, Brayden Point 79
Kyle Connor 17th, Chabot 18, Boeser 25, Konecny 26, Aho 35
Debrincat 39, Adam Fox 66

Not to mention players like Erik Karlsson, Tarasenko, Barzal, Larkin, Chychrun, JT Miller were all selected 15th or 16th

 

[CanadienShark]

Ouch for the Flames. That's bad.

 

[Perennial]

I hate the flames more than any other team but this is just absolute garbage almost as bad as the Horvat+ Hughes for Doughty abomination you came up with.
JG is worth at least a 1st and a blue-chip prospect and Sean is worth a 1st.
You propose an unproven kid with maybe 2nd line potential who by the way is from Winnipeg not Calgary and a pp specialist who sucked balls last year?
Mods should introduce a system in which penalties ranging from loss of like buttons to bans to finally a virus sent to the member so that everytime he tries to log on their is a 50% chance your phone locks and you gay porn is played on max volume for a set period of time

Wow is this bad for Calgary.

Ouch for the Flames. That's bad.

It's fine to disagree with my valuation, but I don't see any of you offering up any proposals of your own for analysis

If you think Gaudreau can fetch a higher return, post what that trade would look like. Name the team you think would pay more, and the picks/prospects you think they'd be willing to give up

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Uhhh spoilers?

Plot twist: neither Hughes or Seider will be in the proposal

 

[Bounces R Way]

Yes, considering their age and contracts...

Young and cheap does not automatically == more valuable. Proven production is still the biggest indicator of a player's value. Always has been, always will be.

And the fact that he was a "mid first rounder" is irrelevant to his current value as a prospect, or his potential impact at the NHL level...

Krebs was taken 17th

No it isn't. If he was a top 5 pick his value would be much higher. I like Krebs but he's no where near a sure thing.

Some of the players selected 17th or later:

Kucherov 58
Hertl 17, Teurovainen 18, Vasilevsky 19, Slavin 120
Shea Theodore 26
Pastrnak 25, Brayden Point 79
Kyle Connor 17th, Chabot 18, Boeser 25, Konecny 26, Aho 35
Debrincat 39, Adam Fox 66

Not to mention players like Erik Karlsson, Tarasenko, Barzal, Larkin, Chychrun, JT Miller were all selected 15th or 16th

Wow nice list. Here's a list of players selected 17th or later that never amounted to anything :

*List too comically large to express in a forum post*

 

[DingDongCharlie]

This Oil fan accepts on behalf of the Flames. Pleasure watching you guys do business.

 

[ChasinWaterfalls]

As an oiler fan, this trade would make me ecstatic. This is so incredibly terrible for calgary.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

horrible for Calgary

 

[Adele Dazeem]

It's fine to disagree with my valuation, but I don't see any of you offering up any proposals of your own for analysis

If you think Gaudreau can fetch a higher return, post what that trade would look like. Name the team you think would pay more, and the picks/prospects you think they'd be willing to give up

When 99% of posters are on here are telling you it's a bad deal for the Flames, you should take the hint that you're wrong when it comes to player evaluations...

Just to get Calgary to even listen you would have to offer Krebs + 1st round pick for Gaudreau (let alone them adding Monahan to the deal).

 

[Perennial]

When 99% of posters are on here are telling you it's a bad deal for the Flames, you should take the hint that you're wrong when it comes to player evaluations...

Just to get Calgary to even listen you would have to offer Krebs + 1st round pick for Gaudreau (let alone them adding Monahan to the deal).

I find it interesting that a lot of posters here seem to think their opinion is a fact, and therefore, anyone with a differing opinion is wrong...

A player's value is completely subjective...

One GM may be willing to pay a 1st and a prospect for Gaudreau, another GM may only be willing to part with a prospect, while a 3rd GM may refuse to deal any premium assets

I'm simply sharing what I would be willing to give up if I were Vegas, and what I would be willing to accept if I were Calgary...

If others think Gaudreau and Monahan are worth more, so be it... it doesn't change how I value them

So, I say again...

If you think Gaudreau can fetch a higher return, post what that trade would look like. Name the team you think would pay more, and the picks/prospects you think they'd be willing to part with

 

[Dynamite Time]

Not a fan of the music/trade puns either but I’ll throw one in for fun.

“It’s Benn Awhile” but can Dallas get rid of his Stain?
Nailed it!

 

[TGWL]

You can't condition a pick on if or not a player signs.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I find it interesting that a lot of posters here seem to think their opinion is a fact, and therefore, anyone with a differing opinion is wrong...

A player's value is completely subjective...

One GM may be willing to pay a 1st and a prospect for Gaudreau, another GM may only be willing to part with a prospect, while a 3rd GM may not refuse to deal any premium assets

I'm simply sharing what I would be willing to give up if I were Vegas, and what I would be willing to accept if I were Calgary...

If others think Gaudreau and Monahan are worth more, so be it... it doesn't change how I value them

So, I say again...

If you think Gaudreau can fetch a higher return, post what that trade would look like. Name the team you think would pay more, and the picks/prospects you think they'd be willing to part with

What atrocious logic, he is under no obligation to make a brand new thread around a player not being shopped for what he considers fair value just to prove that your valuation of players is constantly absurd. Yes valuation is subjective but there is a range to that. Its like me making a trade post saying Matthews and Rielly for Comtois is fair, then getting yelled at by people, and then me responding "well thats just your opinion."

 

[Perennial]

What atrocious logic, he is under no obligation to make a brand new thread around a player not being shopped for what he considers fair value just to prove that your valuation of players is constantly absurd. Yes valuation is subjective but there is a range to that. Its like me making a trade post saying Matthews and Rielly for Comtois is fair, then getting yelled at by people, and then me responding "well thats just your opinion."

You seem rather worked up over things..

I never suggested they create a new thread, I assumed their proposal would be shared here where the discussion is taking place

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

You seem rather worked up over things..

I never suggested they create a new thread, I assumed their proposal would be shared here where the discussion is taking place

Im not worked up, im explaining to you why your logic is flawed

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Im not worked up, im explaining to you why your logic is flawed

Let him be, I think he just finds coming up with the titles amusing. His trade proposals are nearly always absurd.

 

[Big guns]

So let’s get this right. A just over 25 1a/b Center with over 200 goals for a possible top six Center who would have a long way to go to be Sean and wasn’t drafted in the top five of what was an average draft?
Not only that! There’s more!!
your going to have to retain 50%?
Then for a second and Dadonov your going to get a top line winger just over 25 star and again retain 50 %?

Dude this isn’t wish.
Your only off by about a first, another second and a top flight prospect on top of Krebs

do you really think if someone offered a second and Dadonov for Sean that Tre wouldn’t be looking for work the next day? Or if Tre was stupid enough to listen someone wouldn’t offer two seconds and a mediocre or low grade prospect to land a top six Center? or that someone wouldn’t offer a third and blow that offer out of the water?

Hey everyone top line winger available for scraps please apply within.