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Arvidsson - Pettersson - Forsberg
Landeskog - Backstrom - Nylander
Rakell - Zibanejad - Lindholm
Backlund - Karlsson - Silfverberg

Hedman - OEL
Ekholm - Karlsson
Lindholm - Klingberg
Dahlin - Klefbom

Lehner
Markstrom
Lundqvist
 
Landeskog - Backstrom - Lindholm
Arvidsson - Zibanejad - Forsberg
Petterson - W. Karlsson - W. Nylander
Rakell - Backlund - Silfverberg

Hedman - Klingberg
Ekholm - Karlsson
Lindholm - Ekman-Larsson
Dahlin

Lundqvist
Lehner
Markstrom
 
TommySalo said:
Landeskog - Backstrom - Lindholm
Arvidsson - Zibanejad - Forsberg
Petterson - W. Karlsson - W. Nylander
Rakell - Backlund - Silfverberg

Hedman - Klingberg
Ekholm - Karlsson
Lindholm - Ekman-Larsson
Dahlin

Lundqvist
Lehner
Markstrom
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That's a deep team. I would have Hornqvist as a 13th forward but on 1st or 2nd PP. He is top 3 in the NHL in net presence.
 
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helax said:
Got inspired by Eye of Ra, let us look at team Sweden.

Arvidsson - Pettersson - Forsberg (A) (FAP-line dream ? :p)
Nylander - Bäckström - Landerskog
Rakell - Zibanejad - E. Lindholm
Hörnqvist - Backlund (A) - W. Karlsson
Wennberg?

Karlsson (C) - Hedman
OEL - Klingberg
Dahlin -Ekholm
H. Lindholm

Lundqvist
Markström
Lehner

Not too shabby, imagine what Petterson could do in a proper surrounding.
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Don't want Backlund on team Sweden, can't stand him.
 
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Arvidsson - Pettersson - Forsberg
Landeskog - Bäckström - Nylander
Zibanejad - W. Karlsson - E.Lindholm
Rakell - Backlund - Silfverberg

Hedman - Klingberg
Ekholm - E.Karlsson
Ekman-Larsson - Dahlin
H.Lindholm

Lehner
Markström
Lundqvist
 
helax said:
Got inspired by Eye of Ra, let us look at team Sweden.

Arvidsson - Pettersson - Forsberg (A) (FAP-line dream ? :p)
Nylander - Bäckström - Landerskog
Rakell - Zibanejad - E. Lindholm
Hörnqvist - Backlund (A) - W. Karlsson
Wennberg?

Karlsson (C) - Hedman
OEL - Klingberg
Dahlin -Ekholm
H. Lindholm

Lundqvist
Markström
Lehner

Not too shabby, imagine what Petterson could do in a proper surrounding.
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Why so many players on their off-wing?
 
Garl said:
Canada yes

Finland no. If Sweden and Finland were the same country how many finns would be on the team? Laine, Barkov, Rantanen, Aho, Mik.Granlund. Besides, Team Sweden has definately better depth.

Let's compare your roster to kev's security's for example.

Laine>Landeskog
Barkov=Backstrom
Rantanen>Nylander
Teravainen=Arvidsson
Aho>Pettersson(now)
Kapanen<<Forsberg
Haula<<Rakell
Koivu<W.Karlsson
Granlund=Lindholm
Armia<Wennberg
Kotkaniemi<Backlund(now)
Lehkonen<<<Zibanejad
Donskoi<Soderberg
Filppula<Steen

Then there are Hornqvist, Kempe, Janmark, Nyquist, Jarnkrok, Johansson, Berglund, Lindblom, Bratt, Rask, Silfverberg, Hagelin

So, if Sweden's offense is pretty ****, then what is Finland's offense?

Russia has a nod, but is very top heavy and winger heavy. Their centers are worse than swedish ones, Kuz=Backstrom, Malkin>Pettersson, Datsyuk<W.Karlsson, Anisimov<Backlund. And depth is lacking again.

USA has upper hand in offense, but it's not of cosmic level at all, roughly same class, just a little advantage individually.

So, swedish offense is on par with Russia, Finland, USA and is definately not pretty ****.
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Sweden's offense is definitely good and very deep with talent.

I don't like those '><=' comparisons though since its so easy to skew the results by picking and choosing whl you compare who to and it doesn't account how much better player A is compared to B. A deeper team would look better than a top heavy team with this system.

Like why would you compare a Rantanen who's had the best year of his life to Nylander who's having an off-year instead of comparing Rantanen to Forsberg; both teams best wingers.
 
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theslatcher said:
That's a big no from me dawg. Neither Risto nor Joki will crack a best-on-best Team Sweden roster in 5 years. It's kind of ridiculous to imply otherwise right now. I mean there's a good chance in 5 years the Swedish d-core is even stronger than now... So no.

In 5 years Sweden d-core could be Dahlin, Hedman, Karlsson, Brännström, OEL, Lindholm, and that's not accounting for any other good prospects coming up. Risto and Joki isn't cracking that roster, heck, they might not even be able to crack the Swedish b-team. Especially Risto.
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That's a bit of a hyperbole. Ristolainen's stats are bad because he's playing too many minutes on a trainwreck of a team. I think he's among the top in most minutes played in the NHL? he's just not suited for that.

Brännström and Jokiharju are just projections at this point so you never know how they develop but Brännström looks like he'll be a 1st pair defenseman for sure.
 
hmm i wonder if we have better goalies than finland right now?

lehner, markström, lundqvist vs saros, rinne, rask....

lehner and markström never been better....rinne and rask is on the decline.
 
teravaineSAROS said:
That's a bit of a hyperbole. Ristolainen's stats are bad because he's playing too many minutes on a trainwreck of a team. I think he's among the top in most minutes played in the NHL? he's just not suited for that.

Brännström and Jokiharju are just projections at this point so you never know how they develop but Brännström looks like he'll be a 1st pair defenseman for sure.
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He's #9 among TOI/GP, yeah, which he shouldn't even be close to, he'd be fine as a sheltered 2nd/3rd line dman. But is it hyperbole to say Risto maybe wouldn't crack Sweden's B-team in 5 years?

Swedish dmen that are around his age(+-4 years) that are clearly better right now and should be better in 5 years time:

Ekholm, Karlsson, Hedman, OEL, Klingberg, Klefbom, & Lindholm.

Dahlin will join that group, so we're at 8 dmen now.

What dmen look like they'll be better in 5 years time? There's Brännström as mentioned, Adam Boqvist is another, Rasmus Sandin could very well end up as better too, Erik Gustafsson if he can keep it up, Victor Söderström looks like a lock, Philip Broberg if he can take the next step, Helge Grans when it comes to 2020's.

And that's not to mention others who might step up too like Rasmus Andersson. Lets say only 50% of those become better than Risto, though, so we're at 13-14 dmen. I would say that's a maybe.

Besides, in 5 years time means you have to include projection.
 
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Salmonsnake said:
Where would Lindell slide in Sweden's depth chart?
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I cannot say I have watched the Stars a lot this season, but I guess around 12-13

Hedman
Karlsson
Ekman - Larsson
Ekholm
Klingberg
Lindholm
Dahlin <---- Heiskanen
Klefbom
Brodin
Gustafsson
Strålman
Edler
Larsson <--- Lindell
Hjalmarsson
Kronwall
Andersson
Pilut
<---- Ristolainen
Pettersson
Djoos
Hägg
 
Crazy depth on defence. Some of those Ds should switch to forwards to even stuff out. Id like to se a 1-2 ranked Swedish forward in the future, maby in 20-30 years or so...
 
TheTwelfth said:
I cannot say I have watched the Stars a lot this season, but I guess around 12-13

Hedman
Karlsson
Ekman - Larsson
Ekholm
Klingberg
Lindholm
Dahlin <---- Heiskanen
Klefbom
Brodin
Gustafsson
Strålman
Edler
Larsson <--- Lindell
Hjalmarsson
Kronwall
Andersson
Pilut
<---- Ristolainen
Pettersson
Djoos
Hägg
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Sweden has by far better d-men than Finland, obviously no question about it. For me in a best vs best tournaments Sweden has the best defensive core in the world.

Gustafsson had a sensational year offensively, but he isn't better d-man than Lindell, neither does Brodin/Edler. I would put him there with Klefbom/Strålman. Not a household name, but the way he has played this season defensively is one of the main reasons why Dallas has gotten this far.

Also we can talk about Ristolainen's +/-, and i don't like him very much either, but he's too low in that ranking.

Sweden has lead the way for European countries for years now, and now when Finland following footsteps we are producing more talent than ever. Mostly due to changes what our elite league has done towards SHL style and heavy investments to junior player development. So hats off to sverige, jävla bra jobb haha :thumbu:
 
Salmonsnake said:
Where would Lindell slide in Sweden's depth chart?
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Personally I see Lindell as a prime Hjalmarsson type of player. Karlsson, Hedman, Klingberg, Ekholm, OEL, Dahlin has him beat by a fair margin after that it comes down to taste. I’d probably add another righty (Larsson, Strålman) before I’d fo with Lindell. So to answer you question around #8.
 
karhukissa said:
Sweden has by far better d-men than Finland, obviously no question about it. For me in a best vs best tournaments Sweden has the best defensive core in the world.

Gustafsson had a sensational year offensively, but he isn't better d-man than Lindell, neither does Brodin/Edler. I would put him there with Klefbom/Strålman. Not a household name, but the way he has played this season defensively is one of the main reasons why Dallas has gotten this far.

Also we can talk about Ristolainen's +/-, and i don't like him very much either, but he's too low in that ranking.

Sweden has lead the way for European countries for years now, and now when Finland following footsteps we are producing more talent than ever. Mostly due to changes what our elite league has done towards SHL style and heavy investments to junior player development. So hats off to sverige, jävla bra jobb haha :thumbu:
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So let me re-iterate that I have not watched a lot of Stars games. Lindell could probably slot in anywhere below Klefbom and above Hjalmarsson. All of the players there are either very good mid-pairing guys, or a defensive defender on a top-pair, which is what Lindell is.

Ristolainen was worse in Buffalo than Pilut. Pilut was largely sent down because he and Dahlin were the only out of 9 defenders on a two-way contract (specially after bringing in Montour). Pilut is already a mid-pairing defender, and was Buffalo's second best defender by the numbers.

I think most fans and critics agree that Ristolainen is probably more suited for a mid-pairing role rather than a top pairing one. Currently, I have him ranked below all Swedish mid-pairing defenders, but there is quite a gap between Pilut and the last 3, who will probably be supplanted by upcoming talent like Sandin and Brännström soon on the depth chart.
 
Pilut played less minutes than any Sabres defenseman not named Casey Nelson, not to mention he was a healthy scratch on several occasions throughout the season. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
 
karhukissa said:
Sweden has by far better d-men than Finland, obviously no question about it. For me in a best vs best tournaments Sweden has the best defensive core in the world.

Gustafsson had a sensational year offensively, but he isn't better d-man than Lindell, neither does Brodin/Edler. I would put him there with Klefbom/Strålman. Not a household name, but the way he has played this season defensively is one of the main reasons why Dallas has gotten this far.

Also we can talk about Ristolainen's +/-, and i don't like him very much either, but he's too low in that ranking.

Sweden has lead the way for European countries for years now, and now when Finland following footsteps we are producing more talent than ever. Mostly due to changes what our elite league has done towards SHL style and heavy investments to junior player development. So hats off to sverige, jävla bra jobb haha :thumbu:
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Klefbom's a no, Strålman though you can put him with.
 
Hybbe said:
Man, goaltending behind Lundqvist is looking so much better now than it did a year ago.
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Yup, it's the biggest improvement of them all. Not only does Sweden finally have some other starters, they're also really good. Now Lundqvist can retire in peace when it's due.

Also, the thread title should be changed to "Tre Kronor Right Now (compared to Finland)". As expected, lol.
 
Elvs said:
Pilut played less minutes than any Sabres defenseman not named Casey Nelson, not to mention he was a healthy scratch on several occasions throughout the season. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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Victim of bad contracts. He was the only two way contract other than Dahlin. Numbers show Pilut to be the Sabres’ second best defender, and the beat writers agree on the eye test.
 
TheTwelfth said:
Victim of bad contracts. He was the only two way contract other than Dahlin. Numbers show Pilut to be the Sabres’ second best defender, and the beat writers agree on the eye test.
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What numbers exactly? Yeah I noticed he ranks second on the Sabres in corsi. Since Andy Welinski ranks first on the Ducks in the same category one could care less. Especially since said numbers are heavily inflicted of icetime, matchups and circumstance.

For instance, a team could go through a long slump, lose 30 out of 40 games, only to call up someone and then win 25 of the next 40. This called up player is likely to have a boosted corsi. Playing 30 games, 17 minutes per night, is a complete different ball game versus plaging 82 games, 25 minutes om average.

Even if the eye-test agrees that Pilut is their best or 2nd best defenseman, the sample size just isn't enough. I've been a die hard NHL fan for 15 years. I can assure I've witnessed plenty of players who've played well for a stretch of 30 games (or four times that sample size), only to fall off the surface of the world completely. A season doesn't make or break a player. Less than a half season, with limited responsibilities, certainly doesn't.
 
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