Player Discussion Travis Hamonic (D)

[bicboi64]

You can't simplify it that much. It's not charity if there is no better option. If JBD or Guenette don't outplay Hamonic or if there are injuries to the right side what do you propose we do?

A passable 3rd pairing RD, should we need one, is not just marinating somewhere in the system for us to call up and the guys being discarded for cheap by other teams are not locks to be any better than even last year's Hamonic.

Like it or not but Hamonic could very well be our best option for a good portion of games this year.

I'd rather JBD, Addison, or literally anyone in our system who isn't as slow as Hamonic. He's literally too slow to use his "physicality" effectively and at that point I'd rather gamble on anyone else.

 

[TheNewEra]

You can't simplify it that much. It's not charity if there is no better option. If JBD or Guenette don't outplay Hamonic or if there are injuries to the right side what do you propose we do?

A passable 3rd pairing RD, should we need one, is not just marinating somewhere in the system for us to call up and the guys being discarded for cheap by other teams are not locks to be any better than even last year's Hamonic.

Like it or not but Hamonic could very well be our best option for a good portion of games this year.

I do agree that if Hamonic is the best option he should play. However if he is the best option we are screwed.

That being said, we are banking on an older player coming off knee surgery to recover and play hockey at the nhl level. It is fully charity when we had the option to buy him out especially when logic says we should have bought him out and had cap to work with to sign a proper dman. This signing would have occurred before the cousins signing which would have given us roughly 2 million to address the issue. And as much as i love adding cousins because he is a shit disturber i would have rather upgraded that slot, especially to insulate Kleven.

A lot of people are going to say that this is too big of a rant for a #6 dman, but our defense defensively was ass, our RD depth is crap where its zub, hoping Jensen can bounce back and yeah. So its fully charity that he is still on the team but yes if he plays games it is because he has most likely outperformed the rest which is extremely concerning.

 

[PlayersLtd]

I do agree that if Hamonic is the best option he should play. However if he is the best option we are screwed.

That being said, we are banking on an older player coming off knee surgery to recover and play hockey at the nhl level. It is fully charity when we had the option to buy him out especially when logic says we should have bought him out and had cap to work with to sign a proper dman. This signing would have occurred before the cousins signing which would have given us roughly 2 million to address the issue. And as much as i love adding cousins because he is a shit disturber i would have rather upgraded that slot, especially to insulate Kleven.

A lot of people are going to say that this is too big of a rant for a #6 dman, but our defense defensively was ass, our RD depth is crap where its zub, hoping Jensen can bounce back and yeah. So its fully charity that he is still on the team but yes if he plays games it is because he has most likely outperformed the rest which is extremely concerning.

I can get behind not buying him out having a charity component to it but that's not always the best way to treat people within the organization and doing the right thing does count for something.

I think the team sees Hamonic as having a future in Ottawa as a player development guy. All signs are sort of pointing to that with what he has said since coming here. To get the most out of that future role you have to treat these guys with respect and let them build a certain history with the team.

If the cost of that is the difference between buying him out or simply parking him for a big chunk of the season than maybe it's the right choice. Keeping him gives you the added benefit of having a vet around or being pleasantly surprised at how he could rebound, post surgery.

Hamonic is a whipping boy of sorts but he's more useful than people give him credit for, all things considered. I'm not trying to ignore how bad he can be but it's within the realm of possibility that he earns 50% of the games over JBD this year Hamonic of 22-23 was ok and that was in a particularly terrible team situation. When people suggest Addison is a better bet for the bottom pair it goes to show how selective we can be.

 

[Micklebot]

Travis Greens comments on Hamonic today we're interesting,

Mentioned he was playing threw some stuff last year that he got fixed this offseason

Mentioned that he's in better shape than he'd seen him before (Vancouver days)

Mentioned Hamonic knows he needs to be better than he was last year.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Travis Greens comments on Hamonic today we're interesting,

Mentioned he was playing threw some stuff last year that he got fixed this offseason

Mentioned that he's in better shape than he'd seen him before (Vancouver days)

Mentioned Hamonic knows he needs to be better than he was last year.

I love a redemption story and I'm in his corner this year. He just turned 34, he's not a corpse.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Travis Greens comments on Hamonic today we're interesting,

Mentioned he was playing threw some stuff last year that he got fixed this offseason

Mentioned that he's in better shape than he'd seen him before (Vancouver days)

Mentioned Hamonic knows he needs to be better than he was last year.

Bolded was well known, since end of season.

 

[Micklebot]

Bolded was well known, since end of season.

Yes, but Green reiterating that it may have impacted his performance last is noteworthy, imo.

 

[JungleBeat]

This is the NHL. Players play through injuries all the time but only in Sens land do we think it’s the cause for all the problems.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

This is the NHL. Players play through injuries all the time but only in Sens land do we think it’s the cause for all the problems.

It gives some reason to have optimism it could improve. I see it as a piece of the puzzle just like him hopefully staying in the bottom pairing and only playing 40-50 games. The ceiling is still low for this player, but a 6/7 role I think is achievable.

I've had things I could play through better than others, it's just never that simple to say other guys have done it, so he should have been better. We've seen stars like Matthew Tkachuk or Tim Stutzle have their ability drastically decrease, at times even to being a liability.

 

[HSF]

Do you guys think Hamonic was only bad last year?

Vancouver fans couldn't wait to get rid of him. If we want to be a legit playoff team hamonic is not playing most nights

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Do you guys think Hamonic was only bad last year?

Vancouver fans couldn't wait to get rid of him. If we want to be a legit playoff team hamonic is not playing most nights

He’s been ok when healthy. I think he can still be a serviceable 6D. He definitely wasn’t one last year though.

 

[dpw]

Should have been bought out.

 

[DylanSensFan]

I don't care who is playing in the bottom pairing, so long as they are giving our team good minutes.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Do you guys think Hamonic was only bad last year?

Vancouver fans couldn't wait to get rid of him. If we want to be a legit playoff team hamonic is not playing most nights

That’s not really what happened in Vancouver though.

 

[Tuna99]

Bolded was well known, since end of season.

The thing he is playing through and battling through is being 34 years old. Heart of a Lion but even Lions get old, I’m a fan and think he can help but my expectations are limited

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Someone please make a Hamonic highlight reel with this as the background music...

 

[bert]

Do you guys think Hamonic was only bad last year?

Vancouver fans couldn't wait to get rid of him. If we want to be a legit playoff team hamonic is not playing most nights

Number 6/7 d men are not the difference of making the playoffs or not.

Hamonic looks like he is skating better than last year. I'm fine with him being a 6/7 if he continues like he has been in pre season.

 

[Micklebot]

Number 6/7 d men are not the difference of making the playoffs or not.

Hamonic looks like he is skating better than last year. I'm fine with him being a 6/7 if he continues like he has been in pre season.

I thought Hammer had a solid outing, he skated well and seemed to buy into Greens system, jumped into the play a couple times and got some chances.

 

[Tuna99]

I thought Hammer had a solid outing, he skated well and seemed to buy into Greens system, jumped into the play a couple times and got some chances.

If he had hands he could score 15 goals a year. He’s the Chris Kelly of this group, he needs 30 prone scoring chances to squeak a goal in.

 

[HSF]

Number 6/7 d men are not the difference of making the playoffs or not.

Hamonic looks like he is skating better than last year. I'm fine with him being a 6/7 if he continues like he has been in pre season.

Sens lack depth. Hamonic can easily be in the top 4 with one injury. It is a concern

 

[bert]

Sens lack depth. Hamonic can easily be in the top 4 with one injury. It is a concern

How many teams have extra top 4 RHD just sitting there?... Its the most scarce position in hockey. Ottawa has 5 guys that played RD fulltime last year in the NHL in the organization at the moment. Thats likely more than most teams. Its the same for every team if a top 4 RHD gets hurt a teams going to have a massive hole.

 

[JD1]

How many teams have extra top 4 RHD just sitting there?... Its the most scarce position in hockey. Ottawa has 5 guys that played RD fulltime last year in the NHL in the organization at the moment. Thats likely more than most teams. Its the same for every team if a top 4 RHD gets hurt a teams going to have a massive hole.

You got it wrong Bert. You just go down to the top 4 right D store and buy another one. They're literally a dime a dozen.

Right now, we've got probably 6 guys that can play sheltered bottom pair minutes without it being a huge problem. It typically takes 10 to 12 D to get thru a season.

Last season Detroit used 8. Florida used 10, with two guys only getting 1 game. So 8 really. That's healthy. Tampa used 14 with two only getting a game. Across the division it took 8-12 D to get thru the season.

Sanderson
Chabot
Jensen
Zub
Klevin
Harmonic
Jbd
Addison
Guennette
Mantinpalo
Sebrango

Depth wise we're looking ok imo

 

[Cosmix]

I do agree that if Hamonic is the best option he should play. However if he is the best option we are screwed.

That being said, we are banking on an older player coming off knee surgery to recover and play hockey at the nhl level. It is fully charity when we had the option to buy him out especially when logic says we should have bought him out and had cap to work with to sign a proper dman. This signing would have occurred before the cousins signing which would have given us roughly 2 million to address the issue. And as much as i love adding cousins because he is a shit disturber i would have rather upgraded that slot, especially to insulate Kleven.

A lot of people are going to say that this is too big of a rant for a #6 dman, but our defense defensively was ass, our RD depth is crap where its zub, hoping Jensen can bounce back and yeah. So its fully charity that he is still on the team but yes if he plays games it is because he has most likely outperformed the rest which is extremely concerning.

Hamonic will likely be playing his last NHL games this season. Yakemchuk might replace him as early as next season.

JBD seems to be stagnant in his development; I hope he starts to improve his play.

Kleven has looked decent so far as 3LD; hopefully he will continue to play well as he acclimatizes to the NHL level of competition.

 

[HSF]

How many teams have extra top 4 RHD just sitting there?... Its the most scarce position in hockey. Ottawa has 5 guys that played RD fulltime last year in the NHL in the organization at the moment. Thats likely more than most teams. Its the same for every team if a top 4 RHD gets hurt a teams going to have a massive hole.

you dont need a top 4 D down there but you do need an every day NHL defensemen not a player who proved he is cooked last year and shouldn't be in the lineup every night. Especially when the LD on the bottom pair is likely to be a rookie

I am surprised there are people confident in

Kleven - Hamonic
Kleven - JBD

as potential bottom pairs.

 

[bert]

you dont need a top 4 D down there but you do need an every day NHL defensemen not a player who proved he is cooked last year and shouldn't be in the lineup every night. Especially when the LD on the bottom pair is likely to be a rookie

I am surprised there are people confident in

Kleven - Hamonic
Kleven - JBD

as potential bottom pairs.

I have full confidence in Kleven as a bottom pair d. Hamonic had surgery and has looked more Mobile and I am fine with him splitting duty with a still developing JBD and Addison. I welcome you both to take a look at how many legit top 4 rhd exist. There aren't 60 of them that's for sure. There's probably around 50 total in the league at the absolute max. They are scarce. Simple supply and demand issue.