Management Travis Green [Head Coach]

[Micklebot]

Underlying numbers at 5v5 are mostly improved compared to last year, particularly defensive metrics.

​

GP​

Point %​

CF%​

SF%​

GF/60​

GA/60​

GF%​

xGF/60​

xGA/60​

xGF%​

SCF/60​

SCA/60​

SCF%​

HDCF/60​

HDCA/60​

HDCF%​

2024/25​

17​

0.5​

53.82​

55.76​

2.31​

2.61​

46.97​

2.48​

2.12​

53.92​

27.14​

25.8​

51.27​

9.02​

8.87​

50.42​

2023/24​

82​

0.476​

50.45​

50.51​

2.5​

2.94​

45.92​

2.55​

2.64​

49.15​

26.87​

28.33​

48.68​

10.87​

11.34​

48.93​

2023-24 start​

17​

0.471​

48.09​

48.81​

3.15​

3.15​

50​

2.42​

2.89​

45.59​

25.55​

31​

45.18​

14.96​

16.34​

47.79​

Martin first 17​

17​

0.441​

51.5​

50.29​

3.2​

3.42​

48.31​

2.81​

2.87​

49.47​

28.36​

29.77​

48.78​

12.06​

12.43​

49.24​

Martin final 17​

17​

0.529​

52.09​

50.27​

1.62​

3.09​

34.38​

2.31​

2.49​

48.06​

27.06​

25.37​

51.61​

9.12​

10.74​

45.93​

 

[BankStreetParade]

Underlying numbers at 5v5 are mostly improved compared to last year, particularly defensive metrics.

​

GP​

Point %​

CF%​

SF%​

GF/60​

GA/60​

GF%​

xGF/60​

xGA/60​

xGF%​

SCF/60​

SCA/60​

SCF%​

HDCF/60​

HDCA/60​

HDCF%​

2024/25​

17​

0.5​

53.82​

55.76​

2.31​

2.61​

46.97​

2.48​

2.12​

53.92​

27.14​

25.8​

51.27​

9.02​

8.87​

50.42​

2023/24​

82​

0.476​

50.45​

50.51​

2.5​

2.94​

45.92​

2.55​

2.64​

49.15​

26.87​

28.33​

48.68​

10.87​

11.34​

48.93​

Wouldn't it make more sense to compare the same segment of games? Doesn't make sense to me to compare a full season sample to a 17 game sample.

 

[Micklebot]

Wouldn't it make more sense to compare the same segment of games? Doesn't make sense to me to compare a full season sample to a 17 game sample.

Why?

Edit: I added in the start for you, I'm still not sure it adds much, generally, having the larger sample is preferable as it reduces the impact of variables like strength of schedule, or injuries. Generally speaking, the bigger the sample, the more stable and more predictive of future results they become.

I'm genuinely curious why you'd prefer to compare this season to the same sized sample, in terms of what additional value would that bring? I can only think of post trade deadline potentially being tougher due to trading away guys, I guess there's also the arguement that we're comparing DJ/Martin so maybe by using the first 17 we isolate DJ, we could do the same and isolate Martin...

edit2: in the spirit of being fully open, added more rows

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858889683977060366

 

[Senovision]

If your Travis Green and you wake up this morning what are you thinking.....
Your team has just lost 5 of it's last 7 games. And then I look down the bench and I have to put these missing in action guys out on the ice below.

Giroux 1 pt in last 9 games.
Pinto 0 in last 4.
Perron has 0 pts all season.
Sanderson 2 pts in last 12 games.
Greig 0 pts last 12 games

 

[Micklebot]

If your Travis Green and you wake up this morning what are you thinking.....
Your team has just lost 5 of it's last 7 games. And then I look down the bench and I have to put these missing in action guys out on the ice below.

Giroux 1 pt in last 9 games.
Pinto 0 in last 4.
Perron has 0 pts all season.
Sanderson 2 pts in last 12 games.
Greig 0 pts last 12 games

How many threads are you going to post that list in?

He's only got a couple options,

Throw the lines through a blender,
Bring in JBD for Hamonic
Call someone up (not really any offensive help in Belleville though)

Oh, and he can bag skate them,

None of that will get Ullmark to make some saves though.


I was against it earlier, but maybe try Jensen with Sanderson to get him going? Should need to do it, but Sandy has been struggling.

 

[Larionov]

If your Travis Green and you wake up this morning what are you thinking.....
Your team has just lost 5 of it's last 7 games. And then I look down the bench and I have to put these missing in action guys out on the ice below.

Giroux 1 pt in last 9 games.
Pinto 0 in last 4.
Perron has 0 pts all season.
Sanderson 2 pts in last 12 games.
Greig 0 pts last 12 games

Very fair point. I think Green was a mediocre, uninspired choice for head coach, but there is no question that every guy you name here is struggling mightily. Giroux is likely age based regression - he held off Father Time exceptionally well, but it is catching up. It has fully caught up to Perron, who in hindsight was probably not a great signing. There were clear signs of regression for Perron last year, which is why Detroit moved on. "Veteran leader, great in the room", blah blah blah - don't care. If you can't score, you can't play in the top six - period, full stop.

As for Greig, he needs a blast of tough love. He is doing none of the things that got him here. I would make a callup from Belleville and then sit him in the pressbox for a couple of games. When he gets back, he goes to the fourth line and gets told to start playing the kind of game that got him to the NHL. Work hard and maybe you get to the third line, but in no universe is that guy a top six forward right now - he might not ever be.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

If your Travis Green and you wake up this morning what are you thinking.....
Your team has just lost 5 of it's last 7 games. And then I look down the bench and I have to put these missing in action guys out on the ice below.

Giroux 1 pt in last 9 games.
Pinto 0 in last 4.
Perron has 0 pts all season.
Sanderson 2 pts in last 12 games.
Greig 0 pts last 12 games

this is not accurate

 

[TheNewEra]

i would put the lines through the blender, since we arent going to bench hamonic

Perron-Stutzle-Giroux/Batherson
Tkachuk-Norris-Gaudette
Greig-Pinto-Batherson/Giroux
Cousins/Gregor/MacEwen-Ostapchuk-Amadio

Sanderson-Jensen
Chabot-Zub
Kleven-Hamonic

if we actually bench Hamonic

Sanderson-Jensen
Chabot-JBD
Kleven-Zub

*zub hasnt been great lately and i think getting him some more sheltered minutes until the hopeful bounce back would be ideal

I do think that Gaudette on the second line wont be a long term solution, or even a good solution but a shakeup is needed

 

[StoicSensFan]

I think putting Jensen with Sanderson is worth the experiment just to get him going again. Chabot-Zub has worked well in the past.

 

[Micklebot]

I think putting Jensen with Sanderson is worth the experiment just to get him going again. Chabot-Zub has worked well in the past.

agreed, if nothing else it would serve as a message that what we are doing isn't working.