Management Travis Green [Head Coach]

[Dionysus]

If the Sens can't get it together under Green, it's very clearly on the players. You can't just cycle through coaches expecting different results. If there is no change in play and results this season, big name players will be traded.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Have you considered that the candidates that you would approve of wanted to wait until the offseason when more options become available and they improve their own leverage? There are two parties involved in every hire, typically the top candidates can be patient, maybe if we were a team viewed as a condender right off the bat, we might be able to draw in a top option midseason, but that wasn't the cards we were played.

We aren't Edmonton, we don't have McDavid, and we weren't seen as a cup favourite, it's a lot easier for that team to convince a coach to sign now rather than wait until more options become available. Even then, a hire of Knaublach likely would have resulted in even more criticism for getting another budget hire with no experience,

Waiting gave us Travis Green….

 

[Micklebot]

Waiting gave us Travis Green….

Two games in and you think you know what that means.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

If the Sens can't get it together under Green, it's very clearly on the players. You can't just cycle through coaches expecting different results. If there is no change in play and results this season, big name players will be traded.

No team has ever got it together under Green though.

 

[Micklebot]

No team has ever got it together under Green though.

The Canucks won two rounds in the playoffs under him beating Minnesota in the playing round and the defending champ blues in the next round before taking the VGK to 7 games, but I guess we can ignore that one...

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Two games in and you think you know what that means

There were candidates available last December as good or perhaps better than Green…. Having a head coach, instead of a substitute teacher, would have accelerated the buy in, to the new system….

 

[DJB]

Too early to crap on Green 3 games in.

That doesn’t mean that those that were very skeptical about the hire can’t reiterate that however .

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

How did Stevie from Eastbound & Down become a hockey coach?

I saw this exact same resemblance but didn't want to bring it up and besmirch the name of our coach.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

The Canucks won two rounds in the playoffs under him beating Minnesota in the playing round and the defending champ blues in the next round before taking the VGK to 7 games, but I guess we can ignore that one...

Sure, but the ubderlying numbers for that team were bottom of the league and they were basically bailed out by their goaltending.

 

[Micklebot]

Sure, but the ubderlying numbers for that team were bottom of the league and they were basically bailed out by their goaltending.

Demko had a -4 goals saved above expected all situations in the reg season that year, he did have a great playoffs though.

 

[Micklebot]

There were candidates available last December as good or perhaps better than Green…. Having a head coach, instead of a substitute teacher, would have accelerated the buy in, to the new system….

You seem to be ignoring the part where candidates being available doesn't mean they are willing to sign at that time. I guy like Berube and Evanson were getting paid to wait until the offseason, why are they jumping to sign in Dec when they'll have more options in July?

As for as good or better, again, you know this because you watched two games?

 

[Qward]

I wonder if "Average" will be the new "We are a team" ?

 

[Tuna99]

The best thing about Tonight vs LA. was the team played like it’s coach, to never die, it accepted its limitations, it decided it was going to be the winning team, and it used all its resources to win.


Our team needs lots of things to turn around , but if you could narrate it simply it would be to take on the personality of its coach. So a massive step in the right direction tonight

 

[Ice-Tray]

I wonder if "Average" will be the new "We are a team" ?

I don’t think the two really relate though.

Dorion thought “we are a team” was a compliment/brag to describe what was happening.

Green very clearly settled on “average” because he didn’t want to say what his face betrayed on tv. No reason to be overly harsh to the kid.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Dorion thought “we are a team” was a compliment/brag to describe what was happening.

Did you ever see that interview?

Dorion was a deer caught in the headlights. He had no idea what to say, so he said the first thing that came to his mind, and since it was Dorion, that first thought was stupid.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Did you ever see that interview?

Dorion was a deer caught in the headlights. He had no idea what to say, so he said the first thing that came to his mind, and since it was Dorion, that first thought was stupid.

Haha, yes, but Dorion stuck with it several times afterwards. It’s like he thought he came up with a good one or something…

Green wasn’t a deer caught in headlights, he was asked a question and didn’t want to answer truthfully to throw the kid under the buss, but didn’t want to sugar coat it either. “Average” was what he came up with.

 

[Tuna99]

There were candidates available last December as good or perhaps better than Green…. Having a head coach, instead of a substitute teacher, would have accelerated the buy in, to the new system….

We are 2-1, I also want a winning road record. We had our 3rd string goalie and we’re down our 2nd best Dman tonight, and we won, what else do you want, a sacrifice?

 

[DrEasy]

I wonder if "Average" will be the new "We are a team" ?

I think it's more like the new "Probably not".

 

[Tuna99]

You seem to be ignoring the part where candidates being available doesn't mean they are willing to sign at that time. I guy like Berube and Evanson were getting paid to wait until the offseason, why are they jumping to sign in Dec when they'll have more options in July?

As for as good or better, again, you know this because you watched two games?

Young Sens fans will learn in time not to bet against Travis Green.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

You seem to be ignoring the part where candidates being available doesn't mean they are willing to sign at that time. I guy like Berube and Evanson were getting paid to wait until the offseason, why are they jumping to sign in Dec when they'll have more options in July?

As for as good or better, again, you know this because you watched two games?

No, because I watched 55 games with the substitute teacher last season, and then watching the team struggling to adjust to another brand new system.

As for good or better, you know that he is a coaching mastermind after two games?

We are 2-1, I also want a winning road record. We had our 3rd string goalie and we’re down our 2nd best Dman tonight, and we won, what else do you want, a sacrifice?

Giving up 7 goals is not anything to crow about

 

[JD1]

The Canucks won two rounds in the playoffs under him beating Minnesota in the playing round and the defending champ blues in the next round before taking the VGK to 7 games, but I guess we can ignore that one...

And that means he's won more playoff rounds than the Leafs have in the last 20 years.

I kid. But coaching fascinates me. Look at Keefe. Highly regarded. Takes over NJ from green who was the interim. But which guy has had more playoff success?

 

[Micklebot]

No, because I watched 55 games with the substitute teacher last season, and then watching the team struggling to adjust to another brand new system.

As for good or better, you know that he is a coaching mastermind after two games?

So you watched 55 games of a different coach that wasn't a long term option and that's how you know better options were available and willing to sign here mid season? You aren't even making coherent points anymore,

And I never claimed Green was a coaching mastermind, nice strawman, i've been pretty clear that we haven't seen enough of him to make that claim, or the inverse.

Here's a list of the midseason hires

Drew Bannister, 0 games as NHL coach, currently 2-1-0
John Hynes, 0 playoff wins. Currently 1-0-2.
Kris Knaublach, 0 games as NHL Head coach. Currently 0-3
Patrick Roy, after a strong first season, saw his his team to conservative playoff misses, then ditched them abruptly in Aug before the season started. Also, 0 playoff wins. Currently 0-1-1

Seems like their teams are struggling too.

The top coaches with options tend to wait till the offseason, or are going to sign with teams they think are going to win now.

 

[maclean]

Green was definitely not who I wanted and what I read about him did little to assuage my concerns. While my concern remains, I am forced to temper it with optimism, to hope this is his big breakthrough and where it all comes together. I will grasp at anything to bolster that feeling because I'm so utterly tired of the disappointments. So. Good on him for coaching the team through that grueling trial.

 

[DJB]

Greens systems have not yet jumped off the page as to exactly what the game plan is. Doesn’t help that I missed game 2 and game 3 was a shit show.

I did notice we seem to be passive on the pk with everyone collapsing down low. That’s concerning

 

[Tuna99]

Greens systems have not yet jumped off the page as to exactly what the game plan is. Doesn’t help that I missed game 2 and game 3 was a shit show.

I did notice we seem to be passive on the pk with everyone collapsing down low. That’s concerning

It’s evident the team is playing North/South and not east/west like it was last season. They are playing faster and they are skating harder. The players have a determination we haven’t seen before. McEwen came over the boards to fight - that was a great sign I thought because McEwen accepted his roll. pinto is on the 3rd line and has accepted his roll, so you can see the players have bought in even though the system isn’t perfect.

What was good about last night was the will to win translates into a win. An ugly win, but it’s hard winning games with 2x not good AHL goalies who had a .600 and .700 save percentage in the game