Management Travis Green [Head Coach]

[Beech]

Surprised you were sucked into believing the FYOUS at the time. I thought it was off by 3 years back then, but if you believed what EM said, oh well.

Whether you agree or not, that’s how long it will take to fill gaps on the roster.

no. When Melnyk offered FYOUS by 2021, it was not Marketing BS. Nor anything. He said that to investors. Guys who could pull their money. Not people he was looking to sell season tickets to.

He also said it in private. It was leaked by some unsavory character.

FYOUS was based upon information given to him. It was also based upon a rational analyses.
1) The rebuild/retool did not start in 2018.. The dumping did. The retool was older
2) this team had a miserable 2011-2016. And began to consolidate and keep picks by 2015.

2015 had 2 picks in R1 and 2 in R2. In early 2019 when Eugene uttered his remarks, those 4 were still seen as gold (at least 3 of them). rd 4 and rd 5 were showing promise.
2016 had a high #1. That was still being regarded as a corner piece. They had a rd5 that was showing promise
2017 rd 2 and rd 4 had 2 very promising young players

And so when the rebuild started (which in reality was nothing more than a dumping) in 2018, 10 guys were in the hopper and 9 of whom were showing tremendous promise.

So the 18 draft and its 3 high picks. Brought the total to 12 players.

A Trade brought, Norris and Branstromm, who still carried high hopes. Nick Paul awoke from his slumber.

So 15 players.. Now they banked on the 19 draft and the 20 draft. They knew the Karlsson trade offered a first. The Stone trade offered a second. So they went into the 19 and 20 drafts with 6-7, #1 and #2

Yea, Eugene believed the rebuild was on schedule. And offered his FYOUS innocently.

Then all heck broke loose. If it could go wrong it did. Many picks faltered. FAs needed to supplement, bombed. Trades were just as bad as FAs.

Eugen was not pulling a stunt. I guarantee you, he was just as disappointed and just as shocked. remember he hired Pierre McGuire in mid summer of 2021.. what was that? that was Eugene saying, "Pierre Dorion, I am f***ing angry at you. and Pierre here may/will replace you if by seasons end FYOUS does not start.".. He died before all of that and was probably incapacitated and busy for the 2-3 months before.

 

[PlayOn]

the hockey world no longer allows, "a couple of years to fill gaps". Salaries, the CAP, FA at 7 or 27. ELC burn for collegians if they come out with only a handful of games left. ELC burn with a player in the minors. NTC, NMC and so on.

the net window is 10-11 years. In that, is the FYOUS. It pretty much forces a rebuild into 5-6 years. And pretty much requires 2-4 players on ELC. And another 2-4 on reasonable bridge deals.

the 5-6 year rebuild should have ended 2021/2022 or 2022/2023 and FYOUS should have been 1-2 years old.

Melnyk was no dummy when he declared FYOUS from 2021 onwards. He knew the cycle.

now there is no ELC and the team may force a bridge on Pinto, Greig and Klevin. The 2020 draft class needed to produce the ELCs and Bridge guys (with someone added from the 2021 draft).

The solid core should have been the 2015-2019. Those 5 years produced 5 players, one of which is JBD a 6/7 D man!!

Dallas - 2 ELCs (Johnston and Stankoven)
Florida - 1 ELC (Lundell)
Oilers - 0 ELC
Rangers - 2 ELC (Cuylle and Rempe)

That’s the final 4 right now. Where are the 4 ELCs? I actually can’t remember a team that won with 4 ELCs. It can’t have been many.

FYOUS was a stupid arbitrary timeframe. It never made any sense. And I don’t fully understand why your theory is basing it on that timeframe, because why can’t Greig, Kleven, Ostapchuk and Sogaard for example be the bridge deals and why can’t 7th overall this year, plus 25th overall or next year’s first be the ELCs? It’s just a cycle, when Greig and Kleven etc graduate into regular deals, your other picks go into bridge deals and you bring in new ELC players you’ve drafted. Your older players get moved.

In truth 2020 established our core. Our window is as long as our elite players are here and in their prime. Presumably if you can keep your players, we have plenty of time. Whether we ever get there or not is a different conversation.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

no. When Melnyk offered FYOUS by 2021, it was not Marketing BS. Nor anything. He said that to investors. Guys who could pull their money. Not people he was looking to sell season tickets to.

He also said it in private. It was leaked by some unsavory character.

FYOUS was based upon information given to him. It was also based upon a rational analyses.
1) The rebuild/retool did not start in 2018.. The dumping did. The retool was older
2) this team had a miserable 2011-2016. And began to consolidate and keep picks by 2015.

2015 had 2 picks in R1 and 2 in R2. In early 2019 when Eugene uttered his remarks, those 4 were still seen as gold (at least 3 of them). rd 4 and rd 5 were showing promise.
2016 had a high #1. That was still being regarded as a corner piece. They had a rd5 that was showing promise
2017 rd 2 and rd 4 had 2 very promising young players

And so when the rebuild started (which in reality was nothing more than a dumping) in 2018, 10 guys were in the hopper and 9 of whom were showing tremendous promise.

So the 18 draft and its 3 high picks. Brought the total to 12 players.

A Trade brought, Norris and Branstromm, who still carried high hopes. Nick Paul awoke from his slumber.

So 15 players.. Now they banked on the 19 draft and the 20 draft. They knew the Karlsson trade offered a first. The Stone trade offered a second. So they went into the 19 and 20 drafts with 6-7, #1 and #2

Yea, Eugene believed the rebuild was on schedule. And offered his FYOUS innocently.

Then all heck broke loose. If it could go wrong it did. Many picks faltered. FAs needed to supplement, bombed. Trades were just as bad as FAs.

Eugen was not pulling a stunt. I guarantee you, he was just as disappointed and just as shocked. remember he hired Pierre McGuire in mid summer of 2021.. what was that? that was Eugene saying, "Pierre Dorion, I am f***ing angry at you. and Pierre here may/will replace you if by seasons end FYOUS does not start.".. He died before all of that and was probably incapacitated and busy for the 2-3 months before.

Anybody believing that absurd F YOU's announcement was out to lunch. Most laughed it off as nothing to be taken seriously cuz the guy was completely out of rope to be believing anything he had to say at that point.

Realistically, it's not about the timeline, they were just never going to find the path to success under a Melnyk/Dorion regime. It was handicapped and always destined to be fools gold.

 

[bert]

the hockey world no longer allows, "a couple of years to fill gaps". Salaries, the CAP, FA at 7 or 27. ELC burn for collegians if they come out with only a handful of games left. ELC burn with a player in the minors. NTC, NMC and so on.

the net window is 10-11 years. In that, is the FYOUS. It pretty much forces a rebuild into 5-6 years. And pretty much requires 2-4 players on ELC. And another 2-4 on reasonable bridge deals.

the 5-6 year rebuild should have ended 2021/2022 or 2022/2023 and FYOUS should have been 1-2 years old.

Melnyk was no dummy when he declared FYOUS from 2021 onwards. He knew the cycle.

now there is no ELC and the team may force a bridge on Pinto, Greig and Klevin. The 2020 draft class needed to produce the ELCs and Bridge guys (with someone added from the 2021 draft).

The solid core should have been the 2015-2019. Those 5 years produced 5 players, one of which is JBD a 6/7 D man!!

First of all this is incorrect on every level. 2020 was the big draft. Those players don't hit their prime until they are mid 20's at the earliest. So atleast 3 seasons from now.. Take a look at all the teams that win, that are alive now. Their stars and leaders are all in their late 20's early 30's. Melnyk was wrong and yes he was a 'dummy'. The players from the 2020 draft are 22 years old now. This team is just entering its competitive era. This past year was really only the first year they should have been pushing. Staios keeps repeating it. They want SUSTAINABLE SUCCESS. Just have to see how he has operated and the same clear and concise message in every media availability he has. Tear down rebuilds don't work unless you luck into a generational player then everything else has to go perfect. Good organizations have a winning culture. With stability. That's what they are going to try and build. This team and organization had none of that under Dorion. The amount of turnover with no leadership was reminiscent of a 12 year old playing a hockey video game.

For all those people expecting dramatic sweeping changes to the roster or 'another rebuild' are gonna be dissapointed. This teams entire core outside of Guroux and Zub are still developing in one way or another.

Dallas - 2 ELCs (Johnston and Stankoven)
Florida - 1 ELC (Lundell)
Oilers - 0 ELC
Rangers - 2 ELC (Cuylle and Rempe)

That’s the final 4 right now. Where are the 4 ELCs? I actually can’t remember a team that won with 4 ELCs. It can’t have been many.

FYOUS was a stupid arbitrary timeframe. It never made any sense. And I don’t fully understand why your theory is basing it on that timeframe, because why can’t Greig, Kleven, Ostapchuk and Sogaard for example be the bridge deals and why can’t 7th overall this year, plus 25th overall or next year’s first be the ELCs? It’s just a cycle, when Greig and Kleven etc graduate into regular deals, your other picks go into bridge deals and you bring in new ELC players you’ve drafted. Your older players get moved.

In truth 2020 established our core. Our window is as long as our elite players are here and in their prime. Presumably if you can keep your players, we have plenty of time. Whether we ever get there or not is a different conversation.

Bang on. Ottawa isn't trading more picks either. They aren't there yet not even close.

 

[bert]

For a coach I hope he targets a d coach that played in the league for a while and was tough. How Foote had his d men playing in Vancouver is exactly what this team and players like Chabot, Sanderson and Kleven need coaching them.

 

[Beech]

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FYOUS was a stupid arbitrary timeframe. It never made any sense. And I don’t fully understand why your theory is basing it on that timeframe, because why can’t Greig, Kleven, Ostapchuk and Sogaard for example be the bridge deals and why can’t 7th overall this year, plus 25th overall or next year’s first be the ELCs? It’s just a cycle, when Greig and Kleven etc graduate into regular deals, your other picks go into bridge deals and you bring in new ELC players you’ve drafted. Your older players get moved.
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First of all this is incorrect on every level. 2020 was the big draft. Those players don't hit their prime until they are mid 20's at the earliest. ----- way or another.


Bang on. Ottawa isn't trading more picks either. They aren't there yet not even close.

read #1076 it expands on it some more.

 

[Cosmix]

For a coach I hope he targets a d coach that played in the league for a while and was tough. How Foote had his d men playing in Vancouver is exactly what this team and players like Chabot, Sanderson and Kleven need coaching them.

I agree; however, a big tough D cannot expect all of his D men to play a big tough physical game; some of them might be offensive puck-moving D, not big tough D. Roster changes will be required to make some of our D bigger, tougher, more physical body checkers and removing opponents from in font of the net.

 

[PlayOn]

read #1076 it expands on it some more.

I read the post. I think what caused Melnyk to declare FYOUS was nothing more than he would not pay market value for players, not give signing bonuses etc etc. And so sure, when you can’t ever retain any good UFA, you need five years of unparalleled success and you need it at a very specific timeframe. Gotta love an owner that puts an end date on success.

But let’s not mistake that as how normal NHL franchises operate. Sure if Colin White was indeed the next Bergeron, and Logan Brown was Spezza reincarnated, and Brannstrom was the star defenceman they claimed he was, we probably find success sooner. But that’s not what happened, I don’t know that it was a realistic expectation to begin with and I don’t think it matters all that much. We could’ve drafted Crosby and we were never accomplishing anything under Melnyk.

To create a timeframe where FYOUS starts in 2021 and where your retool started in 2015 means that your oldest player would be 24 years old at the start of this run. That’s not what teams that win look like, it’s what rebuilding teams look like. And not so coincidentally it ends when your oldest players turn 28, aka around the time when they become UFAs.

 

[Beech]

I read the post. I think what caused Melnyk to declare FYOUS was nothing more than he would not pay market value for players, not give signing bonuses etc etc. And so sure, when you can’t ever retain any good UFA, you need five years of unparalleled success and you need it at a very specific timeframe. Gotta love an owner that puts an end date on success.

But let’s not mistake that as how normal NHL franchises operate. Sure if Colin White was indeed the next Bergeron, and Logan Brown was Spezza reincarnated, and Brannstrom was the star defenceman they claimed he was, we probably find success sooner. But that’s not what happened, I don’t know that it was a realistic expectation to begin with and I don’t think it matters all that much. We could’ve drafted Crosby and we were never accomplishing anything under Melnyk.

To create a timeframe where FYOUS starts in 2021 and where your retool started in 2015 means that your oldest player would be 24 years old at the start of this run. That’s not what teams that win look like, it’s what rebuilding teams look like. And not so coincidentally it ends when your oldest players turn 28, aka around the time when they become UFAs.

hear the logic.

A team starts falling. If the ownership and Management are astute, they see it as early as possible. (which is what I believe Nashville is doing). They start quietly rebuilding. So, draft picks should be preserved and not traded for rentals to save seasons that are at best one round of playoffs and out. Or worse, near misses.

so designate some year 1. If you are smart, you start doing slow and quiet dumping for picks. Nothing dramatic, aging veterans, near expiring contracts.

Now that 18 year old from year 1, sets the schedule and triggers the clock.

1-2 years to get to you
1-2 years of minor leagues (If needed)
1-2 years of ELC at the big club
1-2 year bridge deal or 5,6,7, 8 year deal

9 years to as much as 16 years. So he is now 28-34. How productive is a player (the Giroux's aside) past 30/31? So 11 years.

How slow can your rebuild be if the clock on him is ticking? now on his draft class. On the next year, the year after that.

stretch it out too long and you end up in equilibrium. Every quality player added, is countered by a quality player lost.

Which is perfect if you have a good team. Now you remain in harmony (hello Boston, Tampa, Pittsburgh, Phili for a long time and a few others over the last 20-25 years). But a team needing to BUILD, has to have the "in" be faster than the "out". And then there is time to gel.

player 1 has 11 years.. if you need 5 FYOUS, that leaves 6 years to rebuild/retool/build.

Sens' start was 2015, Eugene declared 2021 as FYOUS. They weren't wrong. They just weren't good at actually doing it!

Hockey no longer can afford you the, "We just need a little more time". In today's NHL, yesterday is too late.

 

[Golden_Jet]

hear the logic.

A team starts falling. If the ownership and Management are astute, they see it as early as possible. (which is what I believe Nashville is doing). They start quietly rebuilding. So, draft picks should be preserved and not traded for rentals to save seasons that are at best one round of playoffs and out. Or worse, near misses.

so designate some year 1. If you are smart, you start doing slow and quiet dumping for picks. Nothing dramatic, aging veterans, near expiring contracts.

Now that 18 year old from year 1, sets the schedule and triggers the clock.

1-2 years to get to you
1-2 years of minor leagues (If needed)
1-2 years of ELC at the big club
1-2 year bridge deal or 5,6,7, 8 year deal

9 years to as much as 16 years. So he is now 28-34. How productive is a player (the Giroux's aside) past 30/31? So 11 years.

How slow can your rebuild be if the clock on him is ticking? now on his draft class. On the next year, the year after that.

stretch it out too long and you end up in equilibrium. Every quality player added, is countered by a quality player lost.

Which is perfect if you have a good team. Now you remain in harmony (hello Boston, Tampa, Pittsburgh, Phili for a long time and a few others over the last 20-25 years). But a team needing to BUILD, has to have the "in" be faster than the "out". And then there is time to gel.

player 1 has 11 years.. if you need 5 FYOUS, that leaves 6 years to rebuild/retool/build.

Sens' start was 2015, Eugene declared 2021 as FYOUS. They weren't wrong. They just weren't good at actually doing it!

Hockey no longer can afford you the, "We just need a little more time". In today's NHL, yesterday is too late.

Disagree with 2015,
In 15/16 still hadn’t traded Karl, Stone or Pageau
In 16/17 still hadn’t traded those 3, and was double OT goal from playing Nashville in the final.

So ya 2015 is definitely wrong.

 

[PlayOn]

hear the logic.

A team starts falling. If the ownership and Management are astute, they see it as early as possible. (which is what I believe Nashville is doing). They start quietly rebuilding. So, draft picks should be preserved and not traded for rentals to save seasons that are at best one round of playoffs and out. Or worse, near misses.

so designate some year 1. If you are smart, you start doing slow and quiet dumping for picks. Nothing dramatic, aging veterans, near expiring contracts.

Now that 18 year old from year 1, sets the schedule and triggers the clock.

1-2 years to get to you
1-2 years of minor leagues (If needed)
1-2 years of ELC at the big club
1-2 year bridge deal or 5,6,7, 8 year deal

9 years to as much as 16 years. So he is now 28-34. How productive is a player (the Giroux's aside) past 30/31? So 11 years.

How slow can your rebuild be if the clock on him is ticking? now on his draft class. On the next year, the year after that.

stretch it out too long and you end up in equilibrium. Every quality player added, is countered by a quality player lost.

Which is perfect if you have a good team. Now you remain in harmony (hello Boston, Tampa, Pittsburgh, Phili for a long time and a few others over the last 20-25 years). But a team needing to BUILD, has to have the "in" be faster than the "out". And then there is time to gel.

player 1 has 11 years.. if you need 5 FYOUS, that leaves 6 years to rebuild/retool/build.

Sens' start was 2015, Eugene declared 2021 as FYOUS. They weren't wrong. They just weren't good at actually doing it!

Hockey no longer can afford you the, "We just need a little more time". In today's NHL, yesterday is too late.

Well I don’t know how seriously the team was retooling, for starters. We traded Zib + 2nd for Brassard and Dahlen for Burrows and a 1st for Duchene.

The other piece is we all agree that this has taken too long. But truthfully every team has their handful that they can build and rebuild around. For us I consider those players to be Brady, Stützle and Sanderson. Heading into next season they are 25, 22 and 22 respectively. So I think the proper timeframe should be set once you draft and develop those players, not on a random day in 2018 because you pissed off your fans. It takes time to truly understand who the key pieces are.

The team failed to provide solid coaching, vets, organizational stability, goaltending and whatever else to the core. It’s just a lot more complicated than Ottawa’s issues being that they missed on picks. And to begin with, 2021 was never a realistic target.

 

[Beech]

Well I don’t know how seriously the team was retooling, for starters. We traded Zib + 2nd for Brassard and Dahlen for Burrows and a 1st for Duchene.

The other piece is we all agree that this has taken too long. But truthfully every team has their handful that they can build and rebuild around. For us I consider those players to be Brady, Stützle and Sanderson. Heading into next season they are 25, 22 and 22 respectively. So I think the proper timeframe should be set once you draft and develop those players, not on a random day in 2018 because you pissed off your fans. It takes time to truly understand who the key pieces are.

The team failed to provide solid coaching, vets, organizational stability, goaltending and whatever else to the core. It’s just a lot more complicated than Ottawa’s issues being that they missed on picks. And to begin with, 2021 was never a realistic target.

Again,

I didn't say they were good at it. But it was clear, at least to me. That in 2015, they went into rebuild. 2014, 2013 and 2012 were poor years, yet desperate to make the playoffs, draft picks went out.

2015 onwards, few high picks went out. In fact in 2015, a bucket of picks came in.

A rebuild. It failed, because the drafting did not do what was needed.

Zib out, made perfect sense. He was 23.. in 2016/2017 we were in year 2. 4 more years of rebuild. By the 2021/2022 or 2022/2023 seasons. he would have been 29. And would have spent the 4-5 year rebuild period making 6-7 M for nothing.

I have come to understand their motives. What failed miserably is their solutions. I understood what motivated them to do things. I am surprised at how poorly their methods were and how badly they worked out.

Moving Zib was correct.. Now trade him for a #1 pick.

But to return to the original point. Melnyk declaring 2012 FYOUS had a strong foundation in "plausible". But the harsh reality is/was, he needed to add a "we tend to f*** things up factor". And realize that for this team, if it can go wrong, it generally does. So, don't say anything.

But he was in front of investors, How does he say.. "you know with our recent 15 to 20 years of history, Odds are good we will fail".. really.. then he adds "oh yea, I need you to invest 200 M".

PlayOn old buddy. Had this organization been better run. And found itself in a near identical situation in 2015.. FYOUS would have been in 2021/2022, just as promised. Some 22 prime drafts and trade prospects, resulted in about 10 players, ranging from above average, through medium, to below average. And in an era of rebuild, so additional picks, high picks. This team fell 5-7 players short. 2-3 needed to be average to above average. And of the 10, 4 have come from one year, 2020!!

they had 5-6 years, they used them on a bucket of picks. A large chunk failed.

Hello Senators in 2023/2024. We now need to move forward.

 

[Tuna99]

Seeing the useless energy Brady uses against a guy like Gudas in big game and the immaturity of a guy wearing the C and channelling all his massive energy and leadership into a pushing match against the player the opposing coach wants you to get in a shoving match with - I know he does it to get himself going and it’s hockey and little brother stuff with him, Travis Green needs to channel that energy into winning, into instead of pushing Radko Gudas go throw Logan Stankoven into the stands, score, make your line the best line on the ice.

I love Brady but his game now is frustrating probably because he is so frustrated. He has to learn to channel his energy better and learn to win.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Seeing the useless energy Brady uses against a guy like Gudas in big game and the immaturity of a guy wearing the C and channelling all his massive energy and leadership into a pushing match against the player the opposing coach wants you to get in a shoving match with - I know he does it to get himself going and it’s hockey and little brother stuff with him, Travis Green needs to channel that energy into winning, into instead of pushing Radko Gudas go throw Logan Stankoven into the stands, score, make your line the best line on the ice.

I love Brady but his game now is frustrating probably because he is so frustrated. He has to learn to channel his energy better and learn to win.

Ya he needs to lead the team in goals,
Oh wait he does.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Seeing the useless energy Brady uses against a guy like Gudas in big game and the immaturity of a guy wearing the C and channelling all his massive energy and leadership into a pushing match against the player the opposing coach wants you to get in a shoving match with - I know he does it to get himself going and it’s hockey and little brother stuff with him, Travis Green needs to channel that energy into winning, into instead of pushing Radko Gudas go throw Logan Stankoven into the stands, score, make your line the best line on the ice.

I love Brady but his game now is frustrating probably because he is so frustrated. He has to learn to channel his energy better and learn to win.

good take.
been thinking this for for at least a couple of seasons.

 

[Tuna99]

good take.
been thinking this for for at least a couple of seasons.

Brady just way to easy to game plan against and single out and make infective. The bigger the game the more narrow his focus gets and the easier it is to put a 6th Dman or a 3rd liner on him all night and Brady fights back and spends his night engaged with a lesser skilled opponent and keeping his focus on who’s got a bigger schvantz instead of who’s winning and making their teammates better.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Brady just way to easy to game plan against and single out and make infective. The bigger the game the more narrow his focus gets and the easier it is to put a 6th Dman or a 3rd liner on him all night and Brady fights back and spends his night engaged with a lesser skilled opponent and keeping his focus on who’s got a bigger schvantz instead of who’s winning and making their teammates better.

Senators need more Brady’s not less.

 

[Tuna99]

Senators need more Brady’s not less.

Senators don’t need more Brady’s, they need Brady to be better. Brady is not a perfect player, love him, but he has so Much room to grow and grow into making those around him better. Especially when it’s big games, his focus goes into one up manship instead of winning - Brady is the little brother if he wins the fight he thinks he’s won the war.

Travis Green needs to make Brady a General not an MMA fighter

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I would think the biggest potential upside delta would be from Stutzle having a better year. Last year was a regression (injuries could have been a factor).

Then, there’s the other things that we talk about ad nauseam like a RD & better goaltending.

This focus on Brady seems a little unusual & misguided given the other more obvious things as noted above.

 

[Micklebot]

I would think the biggest potential upside delta would be from Stutzle having a better year. Last year was a regression (injuries could have been a factor).

Then, there’s the other things that we talk about ad nauseam like a RD & better goaltending.

This focus on Brady seems a little unusual & misguided given the other more obvious things as noted above.

Stu should see a significant bounce back given the knowledge that he was playing through a wrist issue from game 4 that he's getting cleaned up this offseason. His shot was clearly affected all year, and if he gets that back, it's huge.

I think a RD has a compounding affect, it's an upgrade in the sense that our right side is better, but I think it can mean we get the best out of Chabot too. If he's playing the way he did with Zub in 2021-22 or the way he did with DeMelo in 18-19 then you've really turned our top 4 into a strength.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Senators don’t need more Brady’s, they need Brady to be better. Brady is not a perfect player, love him, but he has so Much room to grow and grow into making those around him better. Especially when it’s big games, his focus goes into one up manship instead of winning - Brady is the little brother if he wins the fight he thinks he’s won the war.

Travis Green needs to make Brady a General not an MMA fighter

Or this
Seeing the useless energy Brady uses against a guy like Gudas in big game and the immaturity of a guy wearing the C and channelling all his massive energy and leadership into a pushing match against the player the opposing coach wants you to get in a shoving match with

Ya imagine without those 2 minors (4 minutes) total, during the tournament.

 

[aragorn]

Senators don’t need more Brady’s, they need Brady to be better. Brady is not a perfect player, love him, but he has so Much room to grow and grow into making those around him better. Especially when it’s big games, his focus goes into one up manship instead of winning - Brady is the little brother if he wins the fight he thinks he’s won the war.

Travis Green needs to make Brady a General not an MMA fighter

Brady has lead this team in scoring the last 4 yrs out of five & he's only 24 yrs old, he also leads the Sens in several other areas. He continues to get better ever yr so he is improving ,but just like every young player it takes them a while to learn the ropes. IMO he is much further ahead than most of the other young players on this team & maybe that has more to do with it, the fact that they are a very young team & some of his teammates need to step up more. Stutzle seemed to take a step back as other teams started targeting him & he became quite frustrated because of it. There are 20 players on the ice & he seems to do as much as anyone & more than most, they need more from a number of positions to help out & add to a winning culture.

 

[LuckyPierre]

Travis Green has the opportunity to do three critical things to instill change in the leadership structure of our group.

1 - Continue where Jacques left off with Chabot, and play him in an appropriate slot relative to his performance. Even strength deployment behind Sandy, including in critical moments at game's end. And within special teams, where perhaps a permanent shift from PP1 to PP2, and a jump to PK1 would benefit his all around game.

2 - Mentor Stutzle in the maturity department. Perpetual victimhood mentality with opposition and referees makes Stutzle a joy to game-plan for, I'm sure. Travis can change that. Tim is on an emotional island out there, and needs to tap into a team-oriented headspace. That goes for his puck management too.

3 - As others have argued, buffer Brady from having to take on foot soldier duties. Brady is our Don. He only ought to act out when absolutely required. He needs underbosses with delegated authority to cause chaos more frequently. Aside from having more grit on the ice when Brady is on the bench (likely a Staios task to acquire said grit), Coach Green can do one thing immediately - challenge Drake to play with more of a temper, both between and after the whistles. Having those two on a line together with that tweak in approach would go a long way in creating space for and supporting the evolution of our captain's game.

 

[Tuna99]

Brady has lead this team in scoring the last 4 yrs out of five & he's only 24 yrs old, he also leads the Sens in several other areas. He continues to get better ever yr so he is improving ,but just like every young player it takes them a while to learn the ropes. IMO he is much further ahead than most of the other young players on this team & maybe that has more to do with it, the fact that they are a very young team & some of his teammates need to step up more. Stutzle seemed to take a step back as other teams started targeting him & he became quite frustrated because of it. There are 20 players on the ice & he seems to do as much as anyone & more than most, they need more from a number of positions to help out & add to a winning culture.

Agree with all what you say and he’s our teams Best player, but he could be a HOF player and not just a player with a great career.

To me there’s another level there, a ceiling like a Messier / Iginla / Forsberg. At the same age Alfie was Captain for 1 year and had already made the playoffs 4 times and his team would do onto make the playoffs 7 straight more years.

 

[Micklebot]

Agree with all what you say and he’s our teams Best player, but he could be a HOF player and not just a player with a great career.

To me there’s another level there, a ceiling like a Messier / Iginla / Forsberg. At the same age Alfie was Captain for 1 year and had already made the playoffs 4 times and his team would do onto make the playoffs 7 straight more years.

Alfredsson wasn't named captain until the 1999-2000 season, he turned 27 in Dec of that sesason, they had made the playoffs three times before he was named Captain.

At the same age, Alfredsson was just finishing his second season in the league. Cunningworth was the team captain,