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JackieDaytona
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I for one love the unhinged takes. Keep it flowing. Bring back the other guy too.
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Yak
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Well I have to say that it is what it is. What's done is done. Just all need to accept it now.
Berube wanted to get paid and nothing wrong with that. He had his choice of where he would go. Who knows maybe or maybe his personality didn't fit Staios. There's always so many factors to these things besides money as well. Who knows what their plan is.
Besides green being a former Toronto Maple leaf that was an arch enemy. I always was intrigued by him. There was something about the way that he played that I liked. He had attitude and was aggressive. He now brings in a demanding presence and has rhe NHL experience to back it up. He was part of that Corson, Tucker and Domi era. See what you will but those boys were tough to play against. If you can bring that mentality to some of our younger core, it definitely will help. Holding them accountable is something that I find instrumental in their success. All these kids got paid. So the only thing they haven't done is had individual success to the point of a higher level or won in the playoffs.
I think we have to be careful that we are not fostering a team of players who get paid before they actually do anything Worthy of getting paid for. We can't be paying on potential. That's why handing out those big long-term contracts are always dangerous. It can kill motivation. In the past to pay players after they brought in championships. Then they mailed it in afterwards and didn't try as hard cuz they had a ring on their finger. So they hope by paying them in advance they're going to bring them to the promised land.
Well paying some old guy stupid amount of money is not my idea of a good investment and rather invest in the right youth movement. There's also something to be said about those veteran guys. Those veteran guys are the ones that we're going to need to teach our players the game the right way. I can honestly say that some of the players have unlimited tapped potential. The only guy on the team that can teach them is Giroux. There's no doubt we need some veteran presence in that room.
Now when it comes back to the coaching aspect of it bringing in a veteran coach who is won a Stanley Cup is not easy as there are not a lot of those guys on the market. They command top dollar and term. I wouldn't doubt if we see Berube set the market for a price of a coach. Like a 5-year x $8 million deal.
Yes, money doesn't matter. However, nobody's guaranteeing that Berube is going to bring you a cup. You don't know if the fit is right and you never do. You do have to be a little fiscally responsible. We are not the corporate leafs. They could spend $50 million on their coaching staff and it not bother the franchise. One single bit.
I think in Ottawa you can't spend that kind of money and people think it's a good thing. I think we respect people that are paid fair for what they're done and not over compensated. If we're paying people $8 million a year to coach our team, we pretty well expect a cup for that price. We also know that it doesn't matter how much you pay coach. No price guarantees a cup.
I think because Travis is not so far removed from the game and he is not a players coach. To me, he looks like a miniature Sutter/ Torts/ Lemaire/ Burns And it's going to be one tough SOB with the players. The boys got paid And now it's time to play. I think as we all said many times last year. No more excuses. I love Timmy but it's time for him to grow up. His game needs to mature. I think when you look at a lot of other players on the team you can say the same thing. We have made a lot of excuses for many of them and that gets us nowhere at the end of the day.
The players now need to be held accountable. It starts at the top all the way to the bottom. I think it's now on Staios to bring in the right mix that we need for this team. It isn't all going to get fixed with just coaching. Green is going to have success because he's going to bring in a new style of accountability and holding their feet to the fire like they've never been held accountable before. He also is going to be about the details like Jacques Martin. Of course there's going to be an increased level of play as the demand on the players is going to increase.
I'm sure we would all love to see some serious and hardcore player movement this summer and fix all the damage that Dorion has made and his oversights, but we all know it takes a while to clean up those kind of messes. Especially the goaltending mess. I expect a big change this year, but I also expect a bit of a leveling off when the players who probably shouldn't be here or the ones who are struggling to get the message start to falter back to their old ways. That's when we're going to see who needs to be here and who needs to go.
I honestly am not even sure if Staios knows who needs to go yet. He's probably going to be a little cautious on how much he blows up the roster. There is no doubt he knows where there are some poles that need filling. I am sure he also wants to see what certain players are going to do under Green.
I have no doubt that we are going to be in a fight for a while card next year. Will we be in the playoffs, maybe. That's up to the players now. Do they want to be in the playoffs? Well they better come ready for training camp and prove it's starting day one and losing is not acceptable and neither are excuses. Only 110% effort on the ice is needed.
That also goes the same for management and coaching, if this team is going to have success it needs to start at the top as an example and everyone below that needs to perform at that same level at their positions.
The roster well. Anybody who does not perform at the level they need to is going to get shipped out is the answer. We've given the kids enough leash to hang themselves and well. They're going to decide if they want to play here or they want to play somewhere else this season. I see big changes coming to this team in the future. I see Staois is carefuly analyzing this team and he might be a little gun shy right now cuz he ain't got all of his data yet. But boy they better watch out if they slip up this next season and even if they don't by the end of this next year he's going to know exactly who's going and who's staying.
Berube wanted to get paid and nothing wrong with that. He had his choice of where he would go. Who knows maybe or maybe his personality didn't fit Staios. There's always so many factors to these things besides money as well. Who knows what their plan is.
Besides green being a former Toronto Maple leaf that was an arch enemy. I always was intrigued by him. There was something about the way that he played that I liked. He had attitude and was aggressive. He now brings in a demanding presence and has rhe NHL experience to back it up. He was part of that Corson, Tucker and Domi era. See what you will but those boys were tough to play against. If you can bring that mentality to some of our younger core, it definitely will help. Holding them accountable is something that I find instrumental in their success. All these kids got paid. So the only thing they haven't done is had individual success to the point of a higher level or won in the playoffs.
I think we have to be careful that we are not fostering a team of players who get paid before they actually do anything Worthy of getting paid for. We can't be paying on potential. That's why handing out those big long-term contracts are always dangerous. It can kill motivation. In the past to pay players after they brought in championships. Then they mailed it in afterwards and didn't try as hard cuz they had a ring on their finger. So they hope by paying them in advance they're going to bring them to the promised land.
Well paying some old guy stupid amount of money is not my idea of a good investment and rather invest in the right youth movement. There's also something to be said about those veteran guys. Those veteran guys are the ones that we're going to need to teach our players the game the right way. I can honestly say that some of the players have unlimited tapped potential. The only guy on the team that can teach them is Giroux. There's no doubt we need some veteran presence in that room.
Now when it comes back to the coaching aspect of it bringing in a veteran coach who is won a Stanley Cup is not easy as there are not a lot of those guys on the market. They command top dollar and term. I wouldn't doubt if we see Berube set the market for a price of a coach. Like a 5-year x $8 million deal.
Yes, money doesn't matter. However, nobody's guaranteeing that Berube is going to bring you a cup. You don't know if the fit is right and you never do. You do have to be a little fiscally responsible. We are not the corporate leafs. They could spend $50 million on their coaching staff and it not bother the franchise. One single bit.
I think in Ottawa you can't spend that kind of money and people think it's a good thing. I think we respect people that are paid fair for what they're done and not over compensated. If we're paying people $8 million a year to coach our team, we pretty well expect a cup for that price. We also know that it doesn't matter how much you pay coach. No price guarantees a cup.
I think because Travis is not so far removed from the game and he is not a players coach. To me, he looks like a miniature Sutter/ Torts/ Lemaire/ Burns And it's going to be one tough SOB with the players. The boys got paid And now it's time to play. I think as we all said many times last year. No more excuses. I love Timmy but it's time for him to grow up. His game needs to mature. I think when you look at a lot of other players on the team you can say the same thing. We have made a lot of excuses for many of them and that gets us nowhere at the end of the day.
The players now need to be held accountable. It starts at the top all the way to the bottom. I think it's now on Staios to bring in the right mix that we need for this team. It isn't all going to get fixed with just coaching. Green is going to have success because he's going to bring in a new style of accountability and holding their feet to the fire like they've never been held accountable before. He also is going to be about the details like Jacques Martin. Of course there's going to be an increased level of play as the demand on the players is going to increase.
I'm sure we would all love to see some serious and hardcore player movement this summer and fix all the damage that Dorion has made and his oversights, but we all know it takes a while to clean up those kind of messes. Especially the goaltending mess. I expect a big change this year, but I also expect a bit of a leveling off when the players who probably shouldn't be here or the ones who are struggling to get the message start to falter back to their old ways. That's when we're going to see who needs to be here and who needs to go.
I honestly am not even sure if Staios knows who needs to go yet. He's probably going to be a little cautious on how much he blows up the roster. There is no doubt he knows where there are some poles that need filling. I am sure he also wants to see what certain players are going to do under Green.
I have no doubt that we are going to be in a fight for a while card next year. Will we be in the playoffs, maybe. That's up to the players now. Do they want to be in the playoffs? Well they better come ready for training camp and prove it's starting day one and losing is not acceptable and neither are excuses. Only 110% effort on the ice is needed.
That also goes the same for management and coaching, if this team is going to have success it needs to start at the top as an example and everyone below that needs to perform at that same level at their positions.
The roster well. Anybody who does not perform at the level they need to is going to get shipped out is the answer. We've given the kids enough leash to hang themselves and well. They're going to decide if they want to play here or they want to play somewhere else this season. I see big changes coming to this team in the future. I see Staois is carefuly analyzing this team and he might be a little gun shy right now cuz he ain't got all of his data yet. But boy they better watch out if they slip up this next season and even if they don't by the end of this next year he's going to know exactly who's going and who's staying.
Nac Mac Feegle
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I'd rather someone who has coaching experience at a high level.
Tuna99
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Nobody has said that Travis Green said in his press conference his goal is to win a Cup with this team and be a winner.
The one thing I love about this hire is that Stois, Poulin and Green all played the game with high integrity and were playoff guys and they all still have a burning desire to win the Cup and etch their names in history.
We as fans talking about Bruce Boudreau time in Washington and Vancouver and Travis Green is talking about Stanley Cups parading down Elgin
Surprised nobody mentioned it because that should be the baseline for the team and not what the damaged people of New Jersey think or interpreting the obsessive mental illness of Canucks fans.
Ottawa now has a culture of creating winners - not chasing after them and that should be talked about more
The one thing I love about this hire is that Stois, Poulin and Green all played the game with high integrity and were playoff guys and they all still have a burning desire to win the Cup and etch their names in history.
We as fans talking about Bruce Boudreau time in Washington and Vancouver and Travis Green is talking about Stanley Cups parading down Elgin
Surprised nobody mentioned it because that should be the baseline for the team and not what the damaged people of New Jersey think or interpreting the obsessive mental illness of Canucks fans.
Ottawa now has a culture of creating winners - not chasing after them and that should be talked about more
Micklebot
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Every coach says that when they are hired and are striving to establish a winning culture.
It's hard to talk about it until they actually take major steps to achieve it!
Action speaks louder than words as they say. Simple but true!
UglyPuckling
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Well, looking at the bright side then, I guess Green will get fired pretty quickly, and at least we will able to look forward to another high draft choice after another bad season.
Will Andlauer need to get rid of Staois for making bad decisions and general incompetence then? The other related questions is how long before this will happen, and will Andlauer be able to get rid of his buddy?
Tuna99
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True and my other favorite Travis Green Quote is “I like the goalies that stop pucks”
Staois is going to get these guys a goalie and that’ll be +8 points easily in the standings
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UglyPuckling
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I try to stay positive. Let’s see how things work out. There is no preordained outlook or outcome.
I do wonder how folks see the future then if they see this as a bad hire?
Sens of Anarchy
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I am positive about it too., Have to see how it works out.. for sure. I am happy to give him a chance . I think he could be a really good fit.
Checks many of the right boxes for me... He will bring a lot of what JM was teaching. Yah its a departure from the no accountability environment with a buddy bud coach a couple of our star players pined for as JM was trying to instill some disciplined play but I think they need more more of what JM was bringing and not less. Communication is a key and buy in is key. Green is supposed to be a good communicator. The buy in is up to the players and especially important for the leaders., Having won absolutely nothing and having played a brand of hockey that would not bring success when things tighten up in a country club atmosphere if it takes someone that is a little more rigid to bring this team a different mindset and a way of playing that will get them into the playoffs with a chance of success I am all for it, Remember when Boucher came in how he stressed and applauded how important buy in was from the leadership. I am sure there could be some feelings that get hurt with some tough love but I also think the messaging will be clear to follow.
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UglyPuckling
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They are going to have to commit to playing a strong team D to be successful, that is for sure. Let’s hope it happens.
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I dunno. Wayne Gretzky was the greatest player of all time and had a ton of Cups, but was a terrible coach. Scotty Bowman stopped playing at a young age and is largely regarded as the best coach in history.
While I do have hope this team will turn it around - and they're young enough they should do just that, I'm also not planning out the parade route down Elgin for a good while.
We don't have a "culture" of anything....yet.
Micklebot
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Bit of a tangent, but York was saying on coming that he played for Bowman and he ran the worst practices of any coach he played for,
Yak
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During my my time of watching from afar and not as a Canucks fan I seen Travis Green as an Xand O's type of guy. He also looked pissed off 99% of the time. I don't think he's going to be anybody's buddy. However, I think he can relate to these guys and tell some stories and stuff like that. But he going to keep his distance because he's not looking for friends. He's looking for wins. I can see him being a hard ass. This guy is going to bagskate the players when they screw around. The country club is now closed. Time for guys like Timmy to grow up and stop whining and bring in some more vets and tune this locker room into a culture of guys that are hungry for wins. They all got their fat paychecks and now it's time for them to start paying the price for it. I don't doubt that there will be guys who hate Travis and he gets under their skin just like he did as a player. Some players are going to call him toxic because well it's their toxic mediocre play that has been accepted for too long. These guys are used to soft teddy bear DJ Smith, he was like a Peewee coach making sure your skates were tied on right. Green kind of reminds me of a more mellow Torts. I don't think we're going to get a whole bunch of great comments and communication from him for the media. There's only so much you can say before it becomes repetitious. Anyways. It was tiring. To DJ make his excuses. Far as I'm concerned, you could really cancel that Post game interviews. I see the personality in green that he is a total accountability guy. He looks demanding and he looks like he will not put up with any BS. When he was in Vancouver and the team was mailing it in on him. He look like he could literally choke every one of them.
I must admit I wanted the big name coach too Berube but we got to do things our way and put our own stamp on our team. I'm going to give my full support behind Green, He looks like a guy who is all about the details and getting the job done and accountability. In my books that's what this team needs. Besides a real goaltender. Go Green!
Yak
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I wanted to make a comment in regards to Alfie. I love this man and I want to make sure he's with the organization a long time. That's going to mean him having a limited role as coaching. I think the coaching is going to help him become a better management guy. He's going to see players and the game differently than he's seen it. He is one of the sharpest minds We ever had play for us. Maybe he could be a Stanley Cup winning coach. However, I fear that if he was the coach things didn't go his way. He would be sent packing. I don't need any Alfie not being around the Sens anymore. I truly want this man to be with the organization for the rest of his lifetime and coaching is not for long-term. I think you could do some specialist consulting coaching with the guys get out there and put the skates on and do his thing. I don't, however want him really behind the bench too much. If he came on for another season or two is an assistant that's it. I don't want him to catch the coaching bug and maybe sign with another team who's going to make them their coach. The worst case would be him coaching team Sweden or something and get a real bug for coaching. I think his best assets is going to be the way he sees players play the game. I see him churning into a general manager and even then I probably would look to keep him out of that funeral because that can be limited to. I think I would like to see him again. Get into vice president of operations or President of the team. I think he would be a great ambassador to this organization and total class. I think he knows the on ice game very well and also could easily pick up the office game very well. I got big plans for him. I hope he doesn't get in the way of them....lol
Tuna99
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That’s fair but I’m encouraged by Poulin, Staois and Green - these guys were all warriors. There’s no fooling these guys they knew hockey and team hockey and what it takes to lead and win.
Jacuqes Martin had done nothing before he got to Ottawa - 160 games with a win percentage of 485% and win a playoff round - so basically exactly like Travis Green in his career (Travisnhas more games) - and Jacques Martin built a culture when players on his team Literally did not get paid and the team was sold in a big emotional roller coaster and sold to Eugene Melnyck who was in the early stages of becoming the worst owner in pro sports. So culture reallycomes for 40 guys putting their heads down and trying to become champions and I think Ottawa’s ready for that…..and getting a goalie and a top
Pairing RD and a depth RW and top 6 LW.
aragorn
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It will be interesting to see how this team looks like out of camp & about 20 to 30 games into the season. Hopefully Staois can fix the goaltending (#1 goalie) & the defence (RD) & give these guys a chance to at least be fighting for a playoff spot deeper into the season & hopefully get in.
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Don’t think most fans will, from the outset, will give their full support to the new coach.
Suspect most will be a “wait and see” or “actions speak louder than words” type….. there will be a honeymoon period, and perhaps then some fans will get behind the coach.
Doesn’t matter who was hired, I think the same approach will be taken….. the first 25 games will be crucial.
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