Management Travis Green [Head Coach]

[Micklebot]

 

[WallyD]

Good coaches win. The great thing about sports is there's always a scoreboard that's publicly visible. Nowadays people will twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain why what's on the scoreboard isn't what actually matters, but it is.

He'll get a fresh start in Ottawa. He'll have a chance to change the narrative. And for all the complaining, if he wins, everyone will shut up, including myself.

But there's no reason to rewrite history and blame others for his past performance. He sucked in Vancouver. Other people sucked too. But he was right alongside them sucking. He's not a scapegoat.

Solid post... If one stint in Vancouver is the sole measure of his ability then I guess this means Bruce Boudreau (617W-342L-128T) given his success while there is also a terrible coach. Not suggesting TG is a great coach (or he isn't) and his overall history doesn't matter at all, but I am willing to give him a chance to see how he does and judge him by results. Just a guess... but I assume TG would not have been hired if Martin (whose judgement I trust) and Dave Poulin did not agree with the hire. I can't imagine the team paying those guys and totally ignoring their input.

 

[GCK]

The thing I take away from this hire is it identifies the types of players Staios will target.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I’ve read he likes to employ a dump and chase along with a passive D zone coverage.

Sounds similar to DJ and the opposite of what I would run if I was coach

Corrado was asked this question. He mentioned something about an aggressive forecheck. I was hoping he would have provided more detail & expanded on that topic, but he didn’t.

Where did you read dump & chase, etc.? I’d like to give it a read as this is a topic of interest for me. Corrado didn’t use those words, so it would be nice if a knowledgeable source has more detail specifically on this subject.

 

[Micklebot]

The we're probably pretty screwed again this season.

I don't have much faith that this roster can dig themselves out of a hole a quarter of the way through the season.

Green's teams have been known to have fast starts apparently.

 

[bert]

Nepotism rules the world. It's not about what you know, but who you know a lot of the time. I find it hard to believe that Green was the absolute best candidate. But, what do I know? Currently we have a fanbase that needs to see the playoffs or Andlauer will be losing a lot more than he's gaining with this team. This fanbase is rightfully frustrated and angry after missing the playoffs since 2017. Almost a decade of missing the playoffs will make a fanbase angry. We want results and to me Green hasn't shown a lot of results at the NHL level.

I am willing to change my tune if I see a different team in October. If I see the same team, I am not going give Green a lot of leash as a fan.

I dont think you understand the definition of nepotism. Those people in hockey ops got there based on their own abilities. They played those NHL games because of their abilities. They got their jobs in management because of the experiences they have had and the success that built them up to the point they are at. Green has had lots of success prior to getting his NHL shot at jr and in the AHL. Thats not nepotism.

This ownership and management group has nothing to do with the fallacies of the previous inept regime.

I also think its pretty wild to expect a new coach to have his team playing his way in less than a month. We are all entitled to our own expectations but thats simply not enough time.

You find it hard to believe Green was the best candidate why wouldnt they have picked him of they thought that?... That defies logic. They interviewed all the candidates you didnt. You may have a different mind set of what you think this team needs but they have way more information than you do. An unquantifiable amount of experience in hockey than anyone that posts here have had.

 

[Micklebot]

Corrado was asked this question. He mentioned something about an aggressive forecheck. I was hoping he would have provided more detail & expanded on that topic, but he didn’t.

Where did you read dump & chase, etc.? I’d like to give it a read as this is a topic of interest for me. Corrado didn’t use those words, so it would be nice if a knowledgeable source has more detail specifically on this subject.

He didn't have the greatest team in Vancouver, that tends to lead to more of a dump and chase style by necessity.

 

[bert]

Would greater transparency not serve to dispel organizational misconceptions ?

There has been plenty of transparency with all the money this group has spent. It doesnt take long to look into it. Even if you didnt, going to the games was a pretty great tell in itself. Theres more staff, better staff more concessions are open etc. But there is a pretty long list of hires since they took over in a short period of time. Which they are going to continue to build on. I dont care if he is making 1.5 million or 3 million they hired him and they did their due dilligence. Thats enough for me to give him a shot.

He didn't have the greatest team in Vancouver, that tends to lead to more of a dump and chase style by necessity.

It means they arent turning pucks over at blue lines. Means they are buying into what he is telling them, thats a good sign I guess. I think a coach can only coach what he has to their strengths. I am sure Green would rather possess the puck but if you dont have the personel to do it, that shouldnt be the game plan.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Green is a tier 4 coach in NHL! Just comprehend this!!

-tier 3 coaches make consistently playoffs above 500 record
-tier 2 go deeper into playoff rounds
-tier 1 won the Stanley Cup

Sens are hiring a coach who only once made playoffs and ha an under 500 record.

So these guy are Tier 1 coaches???

1) Marc Crawford (1 cup in 16 seasons and missed playoffs in 8 seasons) 2) John Muckler (1 cup and sub .500 record 10 seasons) , 3) Bob Hartley ( 1 cup in 14 seasons with 6 missed playoffs plus 2 times fired in mid season) 4) Dan Bylsma ( hired with 25 games left in 2008-09 season won cup then no other cup final appearances in 7 seasons) 5) Terry Crisp (won a cup in his 2nd season and proceeded to miss the playoffs in 4 of the next 6 seasons he coached)

There are plenty of examples of coaches who failed their first (and second) time around who coached successful and winning teams. Rick Tocchet is doing it right now in Vancouver.

It absolutely isn't a case of "having it or not"

Yes, this was addressed in the Mendes interview I believe. Mendes mentioned that Tocchet, Deboer & Cassidy had a below .500 win percentage in their initial 250 games.

Some of these posts are “interesting” e.g., the Tier system.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

He didn't have the greatest team in Vancouver, that tends to lead to more of a dump and chase style by necessity.

OK, but I’d still like to read whatever I can on this subject. Lots of wildly different posts these days, so getting to things with more substance (if it's legit & available) has merit in my mind.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Give your head a shake if you thought about bringing in Quenneville.

We need less drama, not more of it.

 

[GCK]

His coaching record in Vancouver tells us nothing about what he can do here, he may very well fail but it’s not a given. I take solace in the fact we won’t keep him the full 4 years if he fails in order to not have to pay another coach.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

It probably takes a bit more than 10-20 games for a new coach to implement his system and get players to buy in

Not when you factor training camp, preseason. Should be more than enough time.

They play a lot of players who won’t make the club or who might make the club for stints on the 4th line or a call up basis in preseason. I doubt if Preseason games & training camp will provide much of an indication. No doubt they’ll want to get off to a fast start, but 10 games isn’t much of a basis either unfortunately.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

People need to stop mentioning quenneville.

Lol, especially if they're being held up as an example of maturity. He did not show much in Chicago.

 

[WallyD]

This is a big move for Staios. If Green performs as many expect, Staios is going to take a lot of heat for trying to be the smartest guy in the room. Fans aren't going to be patient with this choice and a lot of the goodwill the org has built since Andlauer took the reigns will be lost if the team takes another step back this upcoming season. If the team performs well, then Staios will build a massive amount of trust. This is definitely a gamble that, as a Sens fan, I hope pays off.

In the oft repeated words of Jacques Martin... "no doubt"! Staios shall be judged as much on player/roster moves he is expected to make this summer. Everybody knows his hands were somewhat tied last year. If SS makes no changes with goal tending, for example, there will be hell to pay if that tandem does a rinse, lather and repeat. SS must put his own stamp on this team, and own it, not unlike Green has to do coaching. Decision has been made - live with it. Both will be measured going forward. Not that it wasnt well earned and deserved, but time for there to be far less finger-pointing at the previous regime, organization and fans included. While we can and should demonstrate some patience, it's time to pony up. Personally I take much comfort in the fact that SS has surrounded himself with hockey minds (Martin, Alfie, Poulin) and respect that he's smart enough to seek input assessing options and moves.

 

[milkbag]

Im still pretty sour on the signing but if he bagskates these peonies when they f*** up and actually hold them accountable (like the talking heads say) then I may have to start liking him

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

In the oft repeated words of Jacques Martin... "no doubt"! Staios shall be judged as much on player/roster moves he is expected to make this summer. Everybody knows his hands were somewhat tied last year. If SS makes no changes with goal tending, for example, there will be hell to pay if that tandem does a rinse, lather and repeat. SS must put his own stamp on this team, and own it, not unlike Green has to do coaching. Decision has been made - live with it. Both will be measured going forward. Not that it wasnt well earned and deserved, but time for there to be far less finger-pointing at the previous regime, organization and fans included. While we can and should demonstrate some patience, it's time to pony up. Personally I take much comfort in the fact that SS has surrounded himself with hockey minds (Martin, Alfie, Poulin) and respect that he's smart enough to seek input assessing options and moves.

If he rolls out the same 2 f***ing turds on opening night, I might just lose my mind. Guaranteed failure imo. We've seen enough.

 

[senswon]

Jacques sitting over the next coaches shoulder + lack of $$ = not many choices from the big fish.
Guess we'll see how we do. Very curious about the supporting coaching staff.
Will we see a new goalie coach?

 

[WallyD]

I’m really curios who will be the assistants, these are as critical as the head coach. I want a former D as one of the choices. Jay McKee would be great.

Exactly this! A quality defensive assistant coach is critical for this team. Has to be a verteran and a teacher that Green trusts and can work with. Sens can't go with anything remotely like the only previous regime holdover Capuano who had terrible results with the D core the last few years. Has to be a standout who can identify (critical!) and fix D issues.

The only concern (deep gulp moment) I had during the Green presser was his answer about Alfredsson, somewhat making it sound like Alfie gets to decide what he wants coaching wise. Not sure that works, or should work. I LOVE me some Alfie, but that love is based on his playing career, not his coaching. I just don't want to see coaching decisions being based on any factor other than ability to deliver continuous improvement and accountability.

 

[Relapsing]

Green's teams have been known to have fast starts apparently.

Good. Evaluating the coachs performance starts day 1 for me, so they better be ready first game. Time to put the big boy pants on, as they say.

The pressure is on. For this group of players, this coach and this management group. Management has had a year to evaluate and decide what they want to do this off season. The coach has more than enough time to get his message across. The players hopefully know more than ever whats expected of them, and what the consequences are if they fail to meet expectations.

They either get it together this year, or we're in for a lot more pain as fans, I think. And I for one don't have an ounce of patience or latitude to provide the Senators anymore. It's all used up.

If he rolls out the same 2 f***ing turds on opening night, I might just lose my mind. Guaranteed failure imo. We've seen enough.

If we trot out those two turd burglars on opening night then I'll be right there with you losing my mind.

Don't care anymore how it's resolved. Whatever it takes. Get it done.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

If we trot out those two turd burglars on opening night then I'll be right there with you losing my mind.

Don't care anymore how it's resolved. Whatever it takes. Get it done.

Thanks for the support lol.

Seriously though, I have no faith whatsoever that either guy is going to be a positive contributor. I'd rather roll a couple other corpses out there just to see something different. Might as well sign Hellberg and DeSmith ffs.

 

[albator71]

I'm not overly enthusiastic about Green but I will support them. If they think Travis Green is the best man for the job I will support that, I will trust their judgment. Like I mentioned before show me a good goalie and I'll show you a good coach.

 

[DueDiligence]

OK, but I’d still like to read whatever I can on this subject. Lots of wildly different posts these days, so getting to things with more substance (if it's legit & available) has merit in my mind.

Just look at the facts and stats of those teams and you can sort out the BS posts from the actual truth. For example one poster went on about how Green had the Sedins in Vancouver. He did but for their last year where Henrik had 3 goals in 82 games and the brothers were a combined -45. The reality was they weren't very good.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Senator Green.

 

[LevelingSolo]

Zero faith in this coach, even if he gave a good press conference today

Mike Babcock said all the right things in Columbus too

Not insinuating that Green and Babcock are similar but coach's will always say the right things in their introductory days

The only slight (very slight) bit of hope I have is that a handful of guys have been way better at their second gig

Peter Deboer, Bruce Cassidy, Mike Sullivan to name some and they are 3 of the best in the business today

Will see I guess but Green has a lot to prove before he wins most of the fans over, I actually don't envy the guy