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Bounces R Way said:
Grushnikov, Brzustewicz, Coronato, all look like they want NHL jobs based on the prospect tourney + preseason.
Vote Adam Klapka for 4RW.
Honzek has been impressive, his size and skating makes me believe he has a NHL 100+ games floor.



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Pumped that Honzek seems to be back on track. He had a rough year. Seems like he could be a 2nd line staple for a decade.

Not sure how they keep Coronato off the team to start, not sure who they'll drop. Signing Lomberg makes turning the 4th line into a skill line kind of awkward.
 
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That poster just said Hutsons defensive weaknesses were highlighted. Nowhere did he say Hutson was bad overall or that he didn’t dominate the game offensively. People are so insanely sensitive over their favorite players for no reason.

Hutson does not have the skating necessary to be a good defensive D at his size. He needs to work on that a lot or teams will exploit it heavily as the amount of tape on him grows, and that will make him a significant defensive liability. At the same time, he was dominant offensively and has the ability to be a top 5-10 offensive D in the league.

Both of these things can be true. Yall lack the ability to discuss things with any sort of nuance.
 
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That poster just said Hutsons defensive weaknesses were highlighted. Nowhere did he say Hutson was bad overall or that he didn’t dominate the game offensively. People are so insanely sensitive over their favorite players for no reason.

Hutson does not have the skating necessary to be a good defensive D at his size. He needs to work on that a lot or teams will exploit it heavily as the amount of tape on him grows, and that will make him a significant defensive liability. At the same time, he was dominant offensively and has the ability to be a top 5-10 offensive D in the league.

Both of these things can be true. Yall lack the ability to discuss things with any sort of nuance.
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I don't think is skating his strong and it will need improvements but it's really not as bad as you make it out to be. Yesterday he got beat by Anthony Richard, this guy is in the top tier of skaters in pro hockey in terms of speed. Size is the concern with Hutson, maybe backward skating too. Speed really isn't an issue.
 
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jfhabs said:
I don't think is skating his strong and it will need improvements but it's really not as bad as you make it out to be. Yesterday he got beat by Anthony Richard, this guy is in the top tier of skaters in pro hockey in terms of speed. Size is the concern with Hutson, maybe backward skating too. Speed really isn't an issue.
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Backwards skating is part of skating. It is the most improtant part of skating as a defenseman. There are lots of very fast players in the NHL that can accelerate quick and will burn Hutson in transition because he lacks the backward skating ability to quickly start getting back when the counterattack begins abruptly. Pointing this out doesn’t take away from his wizardry in the O zone.
 
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Backwards skating is part of skating. It is the most improtant part of skating as a defenseman. There are lots of very fast players in the NHL that can accelerate quick and will burn Hutson in transition because he lacks the backward skating ability to quickly start getting back when the counterattack begins abruptly. Pointing this out doesn’t take away from his wizardry in the O zone.
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Again, it's not that bad. But for sure he's going to get burnt here and there. Specially by top tier skaters like Richard. I guess he'll just have to adjust and play more conservative against these skaters. A guy like Savard is far from fast, but rarely gets burn because he recognizes who and when he can play more aggressively at the blue line. It's a process and Hutson is not a finished product.
 
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Ah yes, Buffalo, Calgary, and Philly- the teams everyone predicted to be the toast of the league this season.
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Eh, it's pre-season and I know Buffalo is playing about 80% of their regular roster in the two games thus far since they only have 1 more pre-season game with that group and it's in Munich.
 

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jfhabs said:
Again, it's not that bad. But for sure he's going to get burnt here and there. Specially by top tier skaters like Richard. I guess he'll just have to adjust and play more conservative against these skaters. A guy like Savard is far from fast, but rarely gets burn because he recognizes who and when he can play more aggressively at the blue line. It's a process and Hutson is not a finished product.
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I wouldn't call Richard a top tier skater. He has good speed and is physical but skating is not one of his strengths.
 
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RedHawkDown said:
That poster just said Hutsons defensive weaknesses were highlighted. Nowhere did he say Hutson was bad overall or that he didn’t dominate the game offensively. People are so insanely sensitive over their favorite players for no reason.

Hutson does not have the skating necessary to be a good defensive D at his size. He needs to work on that a lot or teams will exploit it heavily as the amount of tape on him grows, and that will make him a significant defensive liability. At the same time, he was dominant offensively and has the ability to be a top 5-10 offensive D in the league.

Both of these things can be true. Yall lack the ability to discuss things with any sort of nuance.
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Lacking nuance is saying someone will be a significant defensive liability as if there was no outcome between a Slavin and a MAB
 
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There is a spectrum of outcomes between a Makar and a Gostisbehere/Krug. Hutson's ability to significantly improve his skating will decide where on that spectrum he ends up.
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Sure but you decided he was a significant defensive liability that teams will exploit. That's an hyperbole if I've saw one
 
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jfhabs said:
Again, it's not that bad. But for sure he's going to get burnt here and there. Specially by top tier skaters like Richard. I guess he'll just have to adjust and play more conservative against these skaters. A guy like Savard is far from fast, but rarely gets burn because he recognizes who and when he can play more aggressively at the blue line. It's a process and Hutson is not a finished product.
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Savard is a better backwards skater than Hutson. By a good margin.

I love Hutson smarts and clearly above average offensive talent. But his backwards skating isn't NHL level at the moment.

If he doesn't improve that in a big way, he'll never be a NHL defenseman you can put on the ice without being protected. He'll be an offensive situation/PP specialist.

Anyway it's not true that offensive defensemen have never been converted to forward in the NHL, Byfuglien and Burns are two that comes to my mind quickly.
 
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A couple of time he looked slow but thats because he was at the end of a shift. Guy uses so much energy being all over the place that any shift over 40sec he seems super tired.

I'm sure he will learn how to manage his energy and pick his chances/rush more effectively.

It's also a pre-season game where he wants to shine. I'm sure he would be more conservative in a regular season game where it's a 2-1 lead.
 
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Savard is a better backwards skater than Hutson. By a good margin.

I love Hutson smarts and clearly above average offensive talent. But his backwards skating isn't NHL level at the moment.

If he doesn't improve that in a big way, he'll never be a NHL defenseman you can put on the ice without being protected. He'll be an offensive situation/PP specialist.

Anyway it's not true that offensive defensemen have never been converted to forward in the NHL, Byfuglien and Burns are two that comes to my mind quickly.
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Both of whom played like 2 seasons there before it was realized they were infinitely more valuable as defensemen
 
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Hutson have been awesome in every game he played with the habs jersey on. He basically have a pt in each game he played and was good in the dzone. The guy will be a nightmaire for opposing team right about now
 
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thebestnic said:
Sure but you decided he was a significant defensive liability that teams will exploit. That's an hyperbole if I've saw one
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No. I said if Hutson does not improve his skating significantly, he will be exploited by teams who quickly realize that his skating is a liability. This will make him a defensive liability. Note the future tense and conditional wording. I said nothing about what he is now.
 
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Savard is a better backwards skater than Hutson. By a good margin.

I love Hutson smarts and clearly above average offensive talent. But his backwards skating isn't NHL level at the moment.

If he doesn't improve that in a big way, he'll never be a NHL defenseman you can put on the ice without being protected. He'll be an offensive situation/PP specialist.

Anyway it's not true that offensive defensemen have never been converted to forward in the NHL, Byfuglien and Burns are two that comes to my mind quickly.
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Well, that's just your opinion. I don't think Hutson has to be an average NHL skater in order to be an effective NHLer considering his other abilities. I'm far from a Hutson fan boy btw.

I think it's clear now he'll be an NHL defenseman. It's just a matter of which chair he'll be sitting in going forward.
 

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No. I said if Hutson does not improve his skating significantly, he will be exploited by teams who quickly realize that his skating is a liability. This will make him a defensive liability. Note the future tense and conditional wording. I said nothing about what he is now.
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He's definately going to improve scoring on both sides of the ice 😂
 
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