Training Camp/Preseason games Thread 2021

[kings11]

Kaliyev and Wagner aren't competing for the same spot though. Kaliyev is competing with Brown, Kempe, Tkachev and Athanasiou.

Kaliyev isn't suited for 8 minutes with Lizotte and Lemieux, neither are any of the vets mentioned above. Its why re-signing Athanasiou is so puzzling - that's the logjam, not with the role players.

This is the aspect that people tend to overlook.
You’re not replacing Wags with AK.. you need to replace that role, AK is a top 6 guy not a 4th line energy players same goes for the other spots Byfield and Turc aren’t fighting for the 4C they’re fighting for a top role.

 

[kilowatt]

Kaliyev and Wagner aren't competing for the same spot though. Kaliyev is competing with Brown, Kempe, Tkachev and Athanasiou.

Kaliyev isn't suited for 8 minutes with Lizotte and Lemieux, neither are any of the vets mentioned above. Its why re-signing Athanasiou is so puzzling - that's the logjam, not with the role players.

I agree on Athanasiou, he seems to be a top-nine insurance plan, but you'd hope that at least one prospect would be able to make the jump to the big club by now.

It's also really weird having Danault and Arvidsson on the team. When was the last time we made high-impact moves? 2015 with Lucic? It's been like seven years of selling off players one by one.

 

[kingsfan]

I agree on Athanasiou, he seems to be a top-nine insurance plan, but you'd hope that at least one prospect would be able to make the jump to the big club by now.

It's also really weird having Danault and Arvidsson on the team. When was the last time we made high-impact moves? 2015 with Lucic? It's been like seven years of selling off players one by one.

I went on hiatus in the fall of 2015 and started lurking around the boards again in June. You're welcome.

 

[Gjwrams]

These are my folks that make it.....

JAD
Tkachev
Grudstrom
Kupari

Clague as 7th D-Man

Byfield, Fagemo, Kaliyev, Madden and Turcotte all start the season all start the season the Ontario.

These players will be moved for futures as I don't think they can pass through waivers without getting claimed.

Lemieux
Lizotte
Wagner
Maata

Frk and Wolanin goes to the AHL as I think they can pass through waivers.

 

[BringTheReign]

Usually who ends up on the roster is dictated by waiver eligibility. I think that will be the general strategy but it wouldn't surprise me if they deviated from that a bit.

Also, if another team has injuries and they make an offer for a guy in their mid-20's, I think it's more likely this year that a deal like that would go down. The team has lots of youth, is at 48 contracts, etc.

I think someone like Wagner has passed the point where waiver ineligibility would save him, but I generally agree. Lizotte on the other hand has earned more rope in terms of its a close decision between him and a waiver eligible prospect. Trading or losing someone on waivers would also open more spots to sign people like Chromiak, Simontaival, or Nouisianen to their ELCs.

 

[lumbergh]

I think Lemieux makes the team. He's unique on the team. Pest/fighter and he can skate a shift, contribute offensively a bit.

 

[Johnny Utah]

These are my folks that make it.....

JAD
Tkachev
Grudstrom
Kupari

Clague as 7th D-Man

Byfield, Fagemo, Kaliyev, Madden and Turcotte all start the season all start the season the Ontario.

These players will be moved for futures as I don't think they can pass through waivers without getting claimed.

Lemieux
Lizotte
Wagner
Maata

Frk and Wolanin goes to the AHL as I think they can pass through waivers.

Disagree here. Lemieux makes it - Kings have no toughess. Grundstrom is a goner and possibly Tkachev starts in AHL.

 

[Gjwrams]

Disagree here. Lemieux makes it - Kings have no toughess. Grundstrom is a goner and possibly Tkachev starts in AHL.

Well agree to disagree on Lemiuex. I didn't think showed that much of it last year. anyhow.....I think if Tkachev doesn't make it, he bolts back to the KHL.

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

The last few forward positions are going to be a dog fight as will the 6-8 Defensive positions

 

[YP44]

My biggest takeaway is that the Mayor and Lisa with the Athletic have never heard of the term "snapshow".

Is this a Canadian term that I have taken for granted in my life?

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

I think someone like Wagner has passed the point where waiver ineligibility would save him, but I generally agree. Lizotte on the other hand has earned more rope in terms of its a close decision between him and a waiver eligible prospect. Trading or losing someone on waivers would also open more spots to sign people like Chromiak, Simontaival, or Nouisianen to their ELCs.

Yes the Kings need to sign Chromiak,Simontaival and Nousiainen

 

[Basilisk]

I think Lemieux makes the team. He's unique on the team. Pest/fighter and he can skate a shift, contribute offensively a bit.

Plus, we spent assets to acquire him. Waivers would be counterproductive.

 

[Statto]

Kaliyev and Wagner aren't competing for the same spot though. Kaliyev is competing with Brown, Kempe, Tkachev and Athanasiou.

Kaliyev isn't suited for 8 minutes with Lizotte and Lemieux, neither are any of the vets mentioned above. Its why re-signing Athanasiou is so puzzling - that's the logjam, not with the role players.

Obviously it’s not a direct 1:1 move. You waive Wagner, someone else slides down in the lineup into the bottom 3 and you slot Kaliyev into the top 9. As I said, it was a example but instead, let’s say you waive Lizotte so you don’t have to send JAD down. The point stands. If you had a bottom line of Lemieux - JAD - Moore it would be a great spot to be in, in would allow a much more even distribution of Ice time as we’d be able to roll 4 lines properly whilst 5 on 5. I’m keeping Lemieux in there because he offers something the others don’t with a bit of grit as well as drawing penalties.

With Turcotte, Byfield and Kaliyev close and Fagemo not much farther away, yes I’m also surprised Athanasiou was signed. We could very easily have two or three of them ready to go by Christmas so I’ve got to think someone like Kempe may be moved, although it’s not what I’d do. Maybe they want Athanasiou to earn himself a trade deadline move to make room but it’s a

 

[bland]

Obviously it’s not a direct 1:1 move. You waive Wagner, someone else slides down in the lineup into the bottom 3 and you slot Kaliyev into the top 9. As I said, it was a example but instead, let’s say you waive Lizotte so you don’t have to send JAD down. The point stands. If you had a bottom line of Lemieux - JAD - Moore it would be a great spot to be in, in would allow a much more even distribution of Ice time as we’d be able to roll 4 lines properly whilst 5 on 5. I’m keeping Lemieux in there because he offers something the others don’t with a bit of grit as well as drawing penalties.

With Turcotte, Byfield and Kaliyev close and Fagemo not much farther away, yes I’m also surprised Athanasiou was signed. We could very easily have two or three of them ready to go by Christmas so I’ve got to think someone like Kempe may be moved, although it’s not what I’d do. Maybe they want Athanasiou to earn himself a trade deadline move to make room but it’s a

I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see Kempe and Walker dealt for a left shot top 4 defenseman by this time next year.

 

[bland]

I think Lemieux makes the team. He's unique on the team. Pest/fighter and he can skate a shift, contribute offensively a bit.

Agreed, and I will add that Lizotte is the most underrated member of this roster by fans here. He is an ideal 13th forward. Pucks consistently get deep and cycled, momentum gets created and the tone of the game changes for the positive when he is on the ice. No, he doesn't do a whole hell of a lot of producing, but that isn't why you have a 4th line. He is the perfect option to remind a benched kid why he is sitting out.

Wagner is the one who appears caught up in the numbers game.

 

[cyclones22]

I think AA is going to be trade bait at some point during the season unless he consistently plays well. I have to imagine that one of the young kids is going to be knocking down the door to claim a spot in the next few months. Ontario is going to be stacked and with one season under Wrob's system they won't suffer the same slow start this upcoming season. Which reminds me that I've got to re-sub to AHL TV again.

 

[kilowatt]

I just don't think guys like Wagner, Lizotte, and Grundstrom have much value. Who needs these guys? I could see us trading Athanasiou before the season if another team inquires, but even then what should reaistically expect back? A 5th rounder? No one's going to pony up for him and he's probably the "most valuable" of the lot.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

My biggest takeaway is that the Mayor and Lisa with the Athletic have never heard of the term "snapshow".

Is this a Canadian term that I have taken for granted in my life?

I had never heard it until today honestly. Unless it's a 'interview-friendly' version of shitshow.

Plus, we spent assets to acquire him. Waivers would be counterproductive.

I will say one thing about Blake, he doesn't seem to subscribe to sunk-cost fallacy. Any other GM including DL I think would hang onto him for at least a year because of the assets spent, I don't believe Blake would do it solely because of the pick it took.

Agreed, and I will add that Lizotte is the most underrated member of this roster by fans here. He is an ideal 13th forward. Pucks consistently get deep and cycled, momentum gets created and the tone of the game changes for the positive when he is on the ice. No, he doesn't do a whole hell of a lot of producing, but that isn't why you have a 4th line. He is the perfect option to remind a benched kid why he is sitting out.

Wagner is the one who appears caught up in the numbers game.

It also sounds like he showed out at camp today so I can already predict who this year's lightning rod will be unless he gets his scoring back up!

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I just don't think guys like Wagner, Lizotte, and Grundstrom have much value. Who needs these guys? I could see us trading Athanasiou before the season if another team inquires, but even then what should reaistically expect back? A 5th rounder? No one's going to pony up for him and he's probably the "most valuable" of the lot.

I agree they don't have much value. But Wagner could be a good depth speed/agitation option for a team, Lizotte is an elite checker. Grundstrom has some upside but hasn't established his identity. Guys like that get waived frequently and picked up frequently. See: Nick Shore. Maybe it's worth a deep pick to some team to jump the waiver wire.

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

I just don't think guys like Wagner, Lizotte, and Grundstrom have much value. Who needs these guys? I could see us trading Athanasiou before the season if another team inquires, but even then what should reaistically expect back? A 5th rounder? No one's going to pony up for him and he's probably the "most valuable" of the lot.

I just don't think guys like Wagner, Lizotte, and Grundstrom have much value. Who needs these guys? I could see us trading Athanasiou before the season if another team inquires, but even then what should reaistically expect back? A 5th rounder? No one's going to pony up for him and he's probably the "most valuable" of the lot.

I like Grundstrom and Athanasiou they bring different elements the Kings are in a short supply...Grit and Super Speed respectively... and both can play up and down the line up though Andreas is better suited in a top 6-9 role

 

[Statto]

Agreed, and I will add that Lizotte is the most underrated member of this roster by fans here. He is an ideal 13th forward. Pucks consistently get deep and cycled, momentum gets created and the tone of the game changes for the positive when he is on the ice. No, he doesn't do a whole hell of a lot of producing, but that isn't why you have a 4th line. He is the perfect option to remind a benched kid why he is sitting out.

Wagner is the one who appears caught up in the numbers game.

I agree on Lizotte and I don’t ‘want’ him gone, I was using it to illustrate the point that if guys like AK are ready then they need to be in the NHL roster. That far outweighs the risk of waiving a replacement level forward. If it became a choice between sending JAD down or waiving Lizotte then I think it’s an easy choice, although I agree Lizotte is a perfect 13th forward.

Assuming one of the ‘kids’ makes it into the lineup actually think it ends up with a choice between Lizotte and Grundström for who joins Wagner on waivers. I think they’d waive Lizotte because Grundström has more upside and therefore is the more valuable asset. However, at the same time because of that I think Grunström is the one they try to trade which then means they keep Lizotte up. Does that make ‘any’ sense?

I’m saying all this and I’m probably forgetting someone that means they all get waived

 

[bland]

I agree they don't have much value. But Wagner could be a good depth speed/agitation option for a team, Lizotte is an elite checker. Grundstrom has some upside but hasn't established his identity. Guys like that get waived frequently and picked up frequently. See: Nick Shore. Maybe it's worth a deep pick to some team to jump the waiver wire.

I could see any of the Western Canadian teams interested in Wagner, be it a late pick or waivers.

 

[kilowatt]

I agree they don't have much value. But Wagner could be a good depth speed/agitation option for a team, Lizotte is an elite checker. Grundstrom has some upside but hasn't established his identity. Guys like that get waived frequently and picked up frequently. See: Nick Shore. Maybe it's worth a deep pick to some team to jump the waiver wire.

I think it's worth remembering that the discussion here is: What should we do with these players if rookies take their spots? I don't want to get rid of them for the sake of getting rid of them. I'm just saying that if guys like Byfield, Turcotte, and Kupari are significantly better options than Wagner, Lizotte, and Grundstrom based on merit, then losing those players to waivers shouldn't be a concern. That means we're in a really good position, and the odds of us losing all three are very small.

The inverse is true: if the kids don't play their way onto the team, enjoy the bus rides to San Diego. These kids have super high pedigrees and we're well getting to the point in their young careers where it's time to really show something. I'll give the 2019 and 2020 groups a pass for now, but if any of the young forwards drafted in 2018 or earlier could show something, that'd be great.

The best case scenario for me is that we say, "Man, it really sucks that we lost Wagner to waivers, but Turcotte was such a monster in camp."

 

[ru4reals]

At this point, Turcotte shouldn't be considered a 'dark horse.' He's a #5 pick where other players in his draft like Zegras and Caufield are already playing big minutes in the NHL.

But I agree in that he makes the big club out of camp and I can't wait.

I'm really hoping any of our young kids make this team. Another year of Wagner, Lizotte and company will make me wanna break my fourth tv in 5 months.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Walker, Brown and McLellan all said the plan is to use the 1-3-1 less frequently this season and implement a more aggressive strategy, specifically the forecheck. Not sure if the video is up yet but I'm sure it will be soon.

Figured that would make some of you happy.